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Post by gouge on Jun 14, 2021 21:32:20 GMT -6
Doesnt grind me at all.
Suggesting the article doesnt showcase great design seems to have really wound you up tho.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Jun 15, 2021 10:29:05 GMT -6
Doesnt grind me at all. Suggesting the article doesnt showcase great design seems to have really wound you up tho. You could start a thread about studio designs you like. Would probably be really popular and wouldn't come across as dumping on the efforts of hard-working designers and studio owners. |
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Post by gouge on Jun 15, 2021 23:06:38 GMT -6
Ok so its ok to talk critically about gear, recording techniques and instruments but lets not talk about design because someones mates may take it all very personally..
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Post by Ward on Jun 18, 2021 7:43:33 GMT -6
Ok so its ok to talk critically about gear, recording techniques and instruments but lets not talk about design because someones mates may take it all very personally.. Or perhaps to some folks it may feel like trashing a vocal or a mix. More opinion than science? I dunno, just spitballing here. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 18, 2021 7:55:50 GMT -6
Ok so its ok to talk critically about gear, recording techniques and instruments but lets not talk about design because someones mates may take it all very personally.. I think most of those rooms are ugly too. Maybe I can get my room featured next year. |
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Post by jmoose on Jun 18, 2021 21:13:07 GMT -6
A great philosopher once said there's a fine line between clever and stupid...
I believe there's an equally fine line between design and acoustics. Which might be why it's called acoustic design..?!
Last few months I've been consulting on a room that a guy is retrofitting into a basement. Has a niche in podcasting & original music for pod casts. We're doing it about as right as can be given the budget needs & expectations... Ripping out a wall & ceiling etc.
One of the things I told him early on is that IMO... acoustics is kind of the easy part. Putting together a good sounding control room, at least on paper isn't rocket science. But your also kinda hiring an interior designer.
Most of the known firms, the big players have a certain look and feel. And many are a my way or the highway trip which I also totally get. They're in the business of guaranteed results.
For him that sort of cost & build control isn't needed or even available... Doesn't have to be the Hit Factory.
My thing is that there are some basic principles of acoustics that if followed, it's kinda hard to really hang yourself.
If the core design is good and the construction didn't get pooched you can paint the walls whatever color ya want. Figure out some treatment & final touch options to get the look.
And that's the 8000 pound gorilla. Quite one thing to have a good acoustic design on paper. Super critical is making sure all that sheetrock & acoustic build material doesn't come crashing down on your skull.
My background is more construction then design of any sort. Basically the only other thing I'm good at besides making records... it's made for some really interesting and unplanned intersections!
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Post by gouge on Jun 18, 2021 22:01:23 GMT -6
Ok so its ok to talk critically about gear, recording techniques and instruments but lets not talk about design because someones mates may take it all very personally.. Or perhaps to some folks it may feel like trashing a vocal or a mix. More opinion than science? I dunno, just spitballing here. i gave some of the science in my comments. explained some of the basics to that science as well. good design requires layers of theory to underpin the ideas otherwise i'm afraid it's not good design. you get taught pretty quickly in a design focused world that opinion gets you nowhere. anyone with even a small amount of formal experience can look at an image and immediately get a feel for what level the person who did the design is working at because the theory or lack thereof stands out. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2021 17:04:54 GMT -6
Or perhaps to some folks it may feel like trashing a vocal or a mix. More opinion than science? I dunno, just spitballing here. i gave some of the science in my comments. explained some of the basics to that science as well. good design requires layers of theory to underpin the ideas otherwise i'm afraid it's not good design. you get taught pretty quickly in a design focused world that opinion gets you nowhere. anyone with even a small amount of formal experience can look at an image and immediately get a feel for what level the person who did the design is working at because the theory or lack thereof stands out. I agree to a point, if we are judging based on products brought to market there are so many other factors that come into play, manufacturing, supply chain, cost, government regulations structural engineering. A great designer has to also be able to step away from his own Biases and step into the role of the end user (The scars from the low ceiling of Frank Loyd Wrights are gone only to be replaced by newer scars). Being from WI and 6 foot 2 the Work of Mr Wright has made me very Jaded, thank god my mother talked my 6 foot 4 father out of buying the Wright designed Wright House. I don’t care how cool all the musical motifs are. |
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Post by gouge on Jun 23, 2021 5:37:18 GMT -6
not sure about the product comments but re Frank Lloyd Wright... he really does deserve respect if not for anything more than his place in history. there were no rules around what he was doing. he was a pioneer and very deserved of his architectural award.
the idea of the low ceiling followed by a high ceiling (yes they were not all low) was about creating compression and release. An idea which to this day is still being widely used. doesn't mean he didn't push his ideas too far but lets keep it in perspective and remember he was cutting edge 120 years ago and pushing architecture to it;s limits.
looking at FLW really just underlines my point in the earlier posts. whether we agree with his ideas or not his designs had an underlying philosophy that tied all of the elements together in a cohesive and rigorous way. every move had purpose and reason. one of the tenants of modernism really. this can be seen in all of the works from the leaders of the modern movement and is one reason why modernism is still practiced today some 100 years later.
edit... you know im always up for a chat about architecture. can't get enough. love modernism too. can't say frank lloyd wright is my hero but certainly he is a giant. the miles davis of architecture maybe..... anyways, there is no shortage of heroes to look towards from all around the world.
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Post by donr on Jul 7, 2021 14:18:58 GMT -6
That room and facility look incredible. I'm not sure I could concentrate on the job of music in there.. I echo Dr. Bill's endorsement of Jeff Hedback. He straighened out the sound of my room. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 7, 2021 18:15:07 GMT -6
Gotta say, exhausting thread that went nowhere. I stuck with it hopefully.
At some point, there was a "spaces" link to a bunch of studios, one of which was Sawmill where Oasis did Definitely, Maybe. That has to be one of the worst looking control rooms ever that produced one of the best albums of all-time. Eight feet to the back wall, tons of flat desk space. C'mon, that place sucks!
Looking at that giant purple circle space thingy - everyone's got their own idea of what's the jam, but I couldn't spend three minutes in that room.
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Post by gouge on Jul 9, 2021 0:58:58 GMT -6
not sure where the sawmill link was. did some googling and found an article on it.
i look at the control room and see a fantastic work space. look at that beautiful big window smack bang in front of the desk... lol how many times have you seen studio designers write not to do that and yet look at the album list. if given the choice between the purple orb and sawmill i know where i'm going.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 9, 2021 7:17:40 GMT -6
not sure where the sawmill link was. did some googling and found an article on it. i look at the control room and see a fantastic work space. look at that beautiful big window smack bang in front of the desk... lol how many times have you seen studio designers write not to do that and yet look at the album list. if given the choice between the purple orb and sawmill i know where i'm going. Millions of times, right? Obviously, Sawmill has to be a special place. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 17, 2021 7:12:34 GMT -6
Gotta say, exhausting thread that went nowhere. I stuck with it hopefully. At some point, there was a "spaces" link to a bunch of studios, one of which was Sawmill where Oasis did Definitely, Maybe. That has to be one of the worst looking control rooms ever that produced one of the best albums of all-time. Eight feet to the back wall, tons of flat desk space. C'mon, that place sucks! Looking at that giant purple circle space thingy - everyone's got their own idea of what's the jam, but I couldn't spend three minutes in that room. Man do I agree, but these days nobody is building commercial rooms, they are even if available for booking primarily personal rooms so the aesthetic and work flow are all really about one or two people. The days of the generic wood cell with soffits is long gone. |
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