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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 23, 2021 20:56:04 GMT -6
Edit: updated link to album (finally figured that out) Recently demolished my old room and moved into another room in my house. Old room was over the garage, new room is downstairs so there were some challenges planning for being on a slab as opposed to sound escaping out all directions. Did all the work myself. Referenced John Sayer's spreadsheet for room dimensions and went off knowledge gained from the first room. Ended up with an amazing sounding room where mixes translate very accurately using nothing really exotic, just a ton of sweat and a great set of tools. Also built diaphramic absorbers for the back corners which I did not have upstairs. Made all the difference. Plans were bought from acousticfields.com Basic strategy was to get as many surfaces out of parallel as possible. Put 5/8" sheetrock on all the existing walls, tore out the ceiling to create some difference there and also added 5/8" there, plus packed Roxul S&S with a layer of 9" R30 pink insulation across the entire existing ceiling. I was limited a bit by the sewer pipe from the upstairs and the slack in electrical cords laid 40 years ago across the room, but it all worked out pretty well. Slats, doors and wall lumber were taken from the existing room wherever possible. At the time, a 2x4 was $8.51 so no question about not spending money there. And, I didn't want a ton of waste from the old room. You'll see some pics of the teardown of the old room. Money spent was on stuffing the empty cavities and Guilford fabric, which looks awesome and serves the fire and sound purposes. Edit #3: Learned a lot from the first room from using Rod Gervais' book, Home Recording Studio: Build It Like The Pros as a guide for building it. Should have mentioned how great his book is. Edit #4: Took five weeks. One night off. Seriously. It was a grind. Edit #5: Should also include a link to Dennis Foley's site. AcousticFields.com. I feel like his BDA's that I built for the back corners were key to getting the lowend right in here as well as the translation. Link to photo album here. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 23, 2021 21:26:59 GMT -6
NICE!! Congrats!! Looks sweet!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 23, 2021 21:36:15 GMT -6
NICE!! Congrats!! Looks sweet! Thank you, drbill! Have always admired your room. Amazing! |
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Post by shawnh on Jun 26, 2021 12:18:49 GMT -6
Wow! That is very impressive. Looks terrific.
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Post by sopwith on Jun 26, 2021 17:53:47 GMT -6
Beautiful room and gear!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 28, 2021 19:01:48 GMT -6
Thanks, guys! Really happy with how it turned out.
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Post by ericn on Jun 29, 2021 15:28:01 GMT -6
Nice, but I will admit I was totally geeking out when I saw the Festool Dust collection/ vac.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 29, 2021 19:32:05 GMT -6
Nice, but I will admit I was totally geeking out when I saw the Festool Dust collection/ vac. Haha, I get that. That thing is amazing. Who knew you could sand indoors with zero dust? |
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Post by Ward on Jun 29, 2021 23:54:19 GMT -6
Awesome brother!
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Post by ericn on Jun 30, 2021 9:10:40 GMT -6
Nice, but I will admit I was totally geeking out when I saw the Festool Dust collection/ vac. Haha, I get that. That thing is amazing. Who knew you could sand indoors with zero dust? It is the ELAM 251 of portable dust collection and I am so jealous! Once you use Festool everything else seams like a toy! The track saw is such a simple concept that you wonder why didn’t anyone think of this years ago! |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 30, 2021 10:31:14 GMT -6
Haha, I get that. That thing is amazing. Who knew you could sand indoors with zero dust? It is the ELAM 251 of portable dust collection and I am so jealous! Once you use Festool everything else seams like a toy! The track saw is such a simple concept that you wonder why didn’t anyone think of this years ago! Great analogy! Most of their tools are great. The track saw made building my desk so much easier and more accurate. Would have been a mess getting those angles right otherwise. It's a great mate to the cabinet saw. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 30, 2021 10:34:01 GMT -6
It is the ELAM 251 of portable dust collection and I am so jealous! Once you use Festool everything else seams like a toy! The track saw is such a simple concept that you wonder why didn’t anyone think of this years ago! Great analogy! Most of their tools are great. The track saw made building my desk so much easier and more accurate. Would have been a mess getting those angles right otherwise. It's a great mate to the cabinet saw. I’m not sure if I’m more jealous of Vincent’s Flea M49’s or your Festools. Next your going to tell me there is a large scale CNC router in the next room. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 30, 2021 10:41:18 GMT -6
I’m not sure if I’m more jealous of Vincent’s Flea M49’s or your Festools. Next your going to tell me there is a large scale CNC router in the next room. Haha, no but I wish I had an excuse to pick one of those up. They're becoming so affordable though would be great to have. I have done professional cabinet work on the side over the years. Like with audio, you've eventually got to get the right tools! |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 3, 2021 23:27:42 GMT -6
My goodness, this looks absolutely fabulous, Bat Lanyard. Just stunning. Your entire world is different after having built that room. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 3, 2021 23:40:21 GMT -6
Thanks, the other mark williams. It was a massive effort, but tools and time, why not. Why not? It made a huge difference dimension-wise, both physically and musically. Suddenly, I mixed things and they translated. I don't know. I don't have it figured out, but if the sound in your head gets closer to the sound you hear back anywhere, that's a good thing. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 5, 2021 9:29:13 GMT -6
Wow. That is impressive. I want more than anything a dedicated space like that. Looked like you had pretty tall ceilings starting out. Whats your approx LxWxH room dimensions now? How soundproofed is your space? I bet your REW plot is killer.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 5, 2021 9:54:49 GMT -6
Wow. That is impressive. I want more than anything a dedicated space like that. Looked like you had pretty tall ceilings starting out. Whats your approx LxWxH room dimensions now? How soundproofed is your space? I bet your REW plot is killer. Thank you, indiehouse! I'm super happy with it, how it feels and sounds and the way mixes are translating. I had a standard 8' ceiling to start with, so I bumped it up where I could to create variations with the floor. Opening it up also made it easier to stuff Roxul between the joists where the ceiling was not changing. The room originally was 17' x 14.5' x 8'. Now it's about 10.5' at its widest point and 13.5' at the deepest point (all the walls are angled slightly). The isolation is excellent! I'm able to work at any hour and crank it up as much as I want. The bass response from the MM45's is vastly better as well. The big diaphramic absorbers in the back and all the superchunk-type pink fluffy insulation made huge differences over my old room. The extra layer of 5/8" sheetrock also helped, I think. Like the pros say, it's all the elements working together. I've been super inspired when I get in there. I have been wanting to take measurements with REW if I could figure out how to use it, lol! Always seemed a bit complicated to me. I just need to put some time away to really learn it. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 5, 2021 10:31:39 GMT -6
Wow. That is impressive. I want more than anything a dedicated space like that. Looked like you had pretty tall ceilings starting out. Whats your approx LxWxH room dimensions now? How soundproofed is your space? I bet your REW plot is killer. Thank you, indiehouse! I'm super happy with it, how it feels and sounds and the way mixes are translating. I had a standard 8' ceiling to start with, so I bumped it up where I could to create variations with the floor. Opening it up also made it easier to stuff Roxul between the joists where the ceiling was not changing. The room originally was 17' x 14.5' x 8'. Now it's about 10.5' at its widest point and 13.5' at the deepest point (all the walls are angled slightly). The isolation is excellent! I'm able to work at any hour and crank it up as much as I want. The bass response from the MM45's is vastly better as well. The big diaphramic absorbers in the back and all the superchunk-type pink fluffy insulation made huge differences over my old room. The extra layer of 5/8" sheetrock also helped, I think. Like the pros say, it's all the elements working together. I've been super inspired when I get in there. I have been wanting to take measurements with REW if I could figure out how to use it, lol! Always seemed a bit complicated to me. I just need to put some time away to really learn it. Can I ask about your utility lines in the ceiling? What did you end up sealing in with drywall on the ceiling? I have lots of stuff above me, main water line in, sewage, gas lines, lots of duct work, main breaker box. It’s all in this room. I’m afraid to put up a drywall ceiling in fear that I’d have to rip it out if something goes wrong. My room dimensions aren’t terrible different than yours. I feel cramped as is. I approached Jeff Hedbeck with my room in hopes that I could hire him to design a space. He took a look at my concerns and turned it down. That was hugely disappointing. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 5, 2021 15:32:51 GMT -6
Can I ask about your utility lines in the ceiling? What did you end up sealing in with drywall on the ceiling? I have lots of stuff above me, main water line in, sewage, gas lines, lots of duct work, main breaker box. It’s all in this room. I’m afraid to put up a drywall ceiling in fear that I’d have to rip it out if something goes wrong. My room dimensions aren’t terrible different than yours. I feel cramped as is. I approached Jeff Hedbeck with my room in hopes that I could hire him to design a space. He took a look at my concerns and turned it down. That was hugely disappointing. Sure, man. You can still access most of the area above it if really needed, with removing the pink fluffy. I had all the electrical lines running to the rest of the house up there and the sewer line for the upstairs which was done in 2015. So not much risk there and there's still adjacent attic that could be used if something major happened to the sewer line or something. The crawl space would be miserable and mess up my ceiling treatment, but I could make that work if something went wrong. I put up an additional layer of 5/8" on the ceiling and the middle part where I raised it up is two 5/8" layers. I get your concern on sealing up from a basement though. I think that's just a jump you have to make! The newer sewer line above me made it a lot easier though. Not familiar with Jeff Hedbeck, but that's surprising in any case. There's always something that can be done and approaches that can work, IMHO. Basements seem like they would be tougher though. I was concerned about moving from the second floor to a slab, but it all worked out pretty awesome. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 8, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -6
Bat,
Congratulations; looks great. After building two studios in houses, I feel your pain and pride. LOVE the ceiling shape and treatment; excellent. Maybe even the tiniest bit jealous. Well-done all around.
Thanks for sharing the pics.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 8, 2021 13:50:04 GMT -6
Bat, Congratulations; looks great. After building two studios in houses, I feel your pain and pride. LOVE the ceiling shape and treatment; excellent. Maybe even the tiniest bit jealous. Well-done all around. Thanks for sharing the pics. -09 Thanks, Omicron9! Yes, if you've done a couple you definitely have been through some of the same challenges. All about what you have to start with. Getting that ceiling a bit out of parallel was key, I think. Thanks again! |
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 9, 2021 10:03:32 GMT -6
Bat, Congratulations; looks great. After building two studios in houses, I feel your pain and pride. LOVE the ceiling shape and treatment; excellent. Maybe even the tiniest bit jealous. Well-done all around. Thanks for sharing the pics. -09 Thanks, Omicron9 ! Yes, if you've done a couple you definitely have been through some of the same challenges. All about what you have to start with. Getting that ceiling a bit out of parallel was key, I think. Thanks again! Bat, you're welcome. Very enjoyable thread; thanks for sharing it. Keeping the ceiling non-parallel is always good and yours looks great. But I'm not jealous. Nope. Not me <squinting at studio ceiling and imagining Bat's treatment up there>........ -09 |
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Post by tim on Jul 13, 2021 6:38:44 GMT -6
Thank you, indiehouse! I'm super happy with it, how it feels and sounds and the way mixes are translating. I had a standard 8' ceiling to start with, so I bumped it up where I could to create variations with the floor. Opening it up also made it easier to stuff Roxul between the joists where the ceiling was not changing. The room originally was 17' x 14.5' x 8'. Now it's about 10.5' at its widest point and 13.5' at the deepest point (all the walls are angled slightly). The isolation is excellent! I'm able to work at any hour and crank it up as much as I want. The bass response from the MM45's is vastly better as well. The big diaphramic absorbers in the back and all the superchunk-type pink fluffy insulation made huge differences over my old room. The extra layer of 5/8" sheetrock also helped, I think. Like the pros say, it's all the elements working together. I've been super inspired when I get in there. I have been wanting to take measurements with REW if I could figure out how to use it, lol! Always seemed a bit complicated to me. I just need to put some time away to really learn it. Can I ask about your utility lines in the ceiling? What did you end up sealing in with drywall on the ceiling? I have lots of stuff above me, main water line in, sewage, gas lines, lots of duct work, main breaker box. It’s all in this room. I’m afraid to put up a drywall ceiling in fear that I’d have to rip it out if something goes wrong. My room dimensions aren’t terrible different than yours. I feel cramped as is. I approached Jeff Hedbeck with my room in hopes that I could hire him to design a space. He took a look at my concerns and turned it down. That was hugely disappointing. Hey, look up and reach out to John Brandt. He helped me out with the acoustics of a small mix room in my house years ago. He works on all sorts of studio builds big and small so he may have some solutions or advice for you. I think some studio designers have set minimum specs and if your space can't accommodate it then they pass. |
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Post by tim on Jul 13, 2021 6:47:44 GMT -6
Great analogy! Most of their tools are great. The track saw made building my desk so much easier and more accurate. Would have been a mess getting those angles right otherwise. It's a great mate to the cabinet saw. I’m not sure if I’m more jealous of Vincent’s Flea M49’s or your Festools. Next your going to tell me there is a large scale CNC router in the next room. Ha! I too was admiring the festool! 😁 |
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Post by tim on Jul 13, 2021 7:30:06 GMT -6
Recently demolished my old room and moved into another room in my house. Old room was over the garage, new room is downstairs so there were some challenges planning for being on a slab as opposed to sound escaping out all directions. Did all the work myself. Referenced John Sayer's spreadsheet for room dimensions and went off knowledge gained from the first room. Ended up with an amazing sounding room where mixes translate very accurately using nothing really exotic, just a ton of sweat and a great set of tools. Also built diaphramic absorbers for the back corners which I did not have upstairs. Made all the difference. Plans were bought from acousticfields.com Basic strategy was to get as many surfaces out of parallel as possible. Put 5/8" sheetrock on all the existing walls, tore out the ceiling to create some difference there and also added 5/8" there, plus packed Roxul S&S with a layer of 9" R30 pink insulation across the entire existing ceiling. I was limited a bit by the sewer pipe from the upstairs and the slack in electrical cords laid 40 years ago across the room, but it all worked out pretty well. Slats, doors and wall lumber were taken from the existing room wherever possible. At the time, a 2x4 was $8.51 so no question about not spending money there. And, I didn't want a ton of waste from the old room. You'll see some pics of the teardown of the old room. Money spent was on stuffing the empty cavities and Guilford fabric, which looks awesome and serves the fire and sound purposes. Here's the start of the 251 photostream: Edit: not sure how to order the photos on Flickr, but you should get the progression, hopefully. Things are out of order on that site. Edit #2: looks like a lot of dups were uploaded. Cleaning that up now. Edit #3: Learned a lot from the first room from using Rod Gervais' book, Home Recording Studio: Build It Like The Pros as a guide for building it. Should have mentioned how great his book is. Edit #4: Took five weeks. One night off. Seriously. It was a grind.  Wow! Very nice!! How did you handle the HVAC? Is it a separate unit from the rest of the house or does it tie into your house duct with some sort of silencers? Sure looks like a lot of work but I bet it was well worth it! |
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