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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2024 19:56:14 GMT -6
I note the Recording Workshop which was originally specifically designed to place people in assistant engineer positions has pivoted to teaching a good bit of live sound, while maintaining a couple rooms with consoles. Here in the UK, if you want to run live sound then you better know the OS of the main digital boards, coz that's what you're going to be using. Also how to run and configure IEM's. Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! |
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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2024 20:00:09 GMT -6
I have several friends/acquaintances that teach or have taught in a certain major east coast music school's M, P & E program. As one put it, "The curriculum seems designed to teach these kids how to be assistant engineers in the 80's." I note the Recording Workshop which was originally specifically designed to place people in assistant engineer positions has pivoted to teaching a good bit of live sound, while maintaining a couple rooms with consoles. They have, but with Clair’s total dominance of the big tours on the regional level an attitude of “ taught here our way “ has really hurt the placement of these guys. RW is way to method based, not enough theory for one of their grads to understand that a line array isn’t always the right rig. |
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Post by donr on Jul 20, 2024 23:41:38 GMT -6
Here in the UK, if you want to run live sound then you better know the OS of the main digital boards, coz that's what you're going to be using. Also how to run and configure IEM's. Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! In my mind's eye, the RF guy dresses and acts differently than the rest of the crew. Like Hugo Weaving in The Matrix. Doesn't use any diagnostic tools. He just KNOWS. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 21, 2024 1:35:26 GMT -6
Here in the UK, if you want to run live sound then you better know the OS of the main digital boards, coz that's what you're going to be using. Also how to run and configure IEM's. Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! I'm talking about working sound guys - they are expected to be able to run and understand IEM's. Happens all the time with the gigs we do in the UK. We got so sick of guys who have no clue, I've set up my own split rig so we can handle our own IEM's and just send the FOH guy the splits. Better training needed for "real world" situations. To do big tours - first you've got to come up through the ranks and we come across to many clueless FOH when it comes to dealing with IEM's or using their digital boards to the full. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 21, 2024 8:26:57 GMT -6
I just got interviewed by a Billboard journalist about the closing of the Record Plant LA. We did the Mirrors LP there, and at Kendun Recorders. Engineer Gary Ladinsky warned us to avoid the hot tub. Next question. Did you heed the hot tub advice? |
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Post by Quint on Jul 21, 2024 8:36:41 GMT -6
Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! I'm talking about working sound guys - they are expected to be able to run and understand IEM's. Happens all the time with the gigs we do in the UK. We got so sick of guys who have no clue, I've set up my own split rig so we can handle our own IEM's and just send the FOH guy the splits. Better training needed for "real world" situations. To do big tours - first you've got to come up through the ranks and we come across to many clueless FOH when it comes to dealing with IEM's or using their digital boards to the full. Just curious. What are these FOH guys doing or not doing, with regards to IEMs, that isn't to your liking? I'd like to hear more on this. |
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Post by donr on Jul 21, 2024 10:26:33 GMT -6
I just got interviewed by a Billboard journalist about the closing of the Record Plant LA. We did the Mirrors LP there, and at Kendun Recorders. Engineer Gary Ladinsky warned us to avoid the hot tub. Next question. Did you heed the hot tub advice? Ha, yeah. The Plant was relatively quiet when we were there. We worked efficiently. Minimum shenanigans. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 21, 2024 16:13:44 GMT -6
Is this sort of thing not the record companies fault?
I'd be very surprised if anyone under 30 working even a decent paying job living in Los Angeles could afford 1500-2000$ a day at a studio like this to record, even if they gave it a try once every 5 or so years in order to save the funds.
I mean didn't record companies have 6 week bookings at the studio for an entire album for an artist. Could a singer-songwriter for instance who doesn't have rich parents ever have a shot of utilizing one of these places without a record company putting up the investment?
Seems like record companies were the ones bridging the gap for artists and studios in the past. Everyone I know (younger generation here) making music doesn't even consider going to a real studio a possibility unless they want to split it with 4 other guys, but then it's sort of just a collaboration out of necessity to be able to pay the bill
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 21, 2024 18:13:23 GMT -6
Is this sort of thing not the record companies fault? I'd be very surprised if anyone under 30 working even a decent paying job living in Los Angeles could afford 1500-2000$ a day at a studio like this to record, even if they gave it a try once every 5 or so years in order to save the funds. I mean didn't record companies have 6 week bookings at the studio for an entire album for an artist. Could a singer-songwriter for instance who doesn't have rich parents ever have a shot of utilizing one of these places without a record company putting up the investment? Seems like record companies were the ones bridging the gap for artists and studios in the past. Everyone I know (younger generation here) making music doesn't even consider going to a real studio a possibility unless they want to split it with 4 other guys, but then it's sort of just a collaboration out of necessity to be able to pay the bill I don't know the day rate of the Record Plant, but I do know the day rate of a LOT of really excellent studios, and many are well under $1k. I know of quite a few world-famous rooms that you can get for under $500/day. In the OP there's a quote about artists spending $2k/day to work at the Record Plant, and if that's the case, I would argue that it's actually the studio's fault. I'd add that while I'm no particular champion of record companies, they are under no obligation to sign bands nor pay for services, particularly at inflated prices. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 21, 2024 18:37:47 GMT -6
Is this sort of thing not the record companies fault? I'd be very surprised if anyone under 30 working even a decent paying job living in Los Angeles could afford 1500-2000$ a day at a studio like this to record, even if they gave it a try once every 5 or so years in order to save the funds. I mean didn't record companies have 6 week bookings at the studio for an entire album for an artist. Could a singer-songwriter for instance who doesn't have rich parents ever have a shot of utilizing one of these places without a record company putting up the investment? Seems like record companies were the ones bridging the gap for artists and studios in the past. Everyone I know (younger generation here) making music doesn't even consider going to a real studio a possibility unless they want to split it with 4 other guys, but then it's sort of just a collaboration out of necessity to be able to pay the bill I don't know the day rate of the Record Plant, but I do know the day rate of a LOT of really excellent studios, and many are well under $1k. I know of quite a few world-famous rooms that you can get for under $500/day. In the OP there's a quote about artists spending $2k/day to work at the Record Plant, and if that's the case, I would argue that it's actually the studio's fault. I'd add that while I'm no particular champion of record companies, they are under no obligation to sign bands nor pay for services, particularly at inflated prices. I hope you're right but I really don't know of many in LA. If you'd care to share that'd probably be good information to put out there. I see ads everywhere for "studios" with 1 U87, 1C1LB, a laptop in a "vibey" room with colored lights and an xbox charging 7-800$+ for 8 hours with an engineer in LA. They crop up everywhere now. That makes me think (and I'm sure a lot of other people think) that a REAL studio is at the bare minimum 1.5x to double for the same 8 hours.
I would sure love to use a serious studio for 5 to 6-700 bux a day that seems reasonable. 1500-2000 seems financially scary.
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 21, 2024 18:59:37 GMT -6
I don't know the day rate of the Record Plant, but I do know the day rate of a LOT of really excellent studios, and many are well under $1k. I know of quite a few world-famous rooms that you can get for under $500/day. In the OP there's a quote about artists spending $2k/day to work at the Record Plant, and if that's the case, I would argue that it's actually the studio's fault. I'd add that while I'm no particular champion of record companies, they are under no obligation to sign bands nor pay for services, particularly at inflated prices. I hope you're right but I really don't know of many in LA. If you'd care to share that'd probably be good information to put out there. I see ads everywhere for "studios" with 1 U87, 1C1LB, a laptop in a "vibey" room with colored lights and an xbox charging 7-800$+ for 8 hours with an engineer in LA. They crop up everywhere now. That makes me think (and I'm sure a lot of other people think) that a REAL studio is at the bare minimum 1.5x to double for the same 8 hours.
I would sure love to use a serious studio for 5 to 6-700 bux a day that seems reasonable. 1500-2000 seems financially scary.
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting  ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 19:00:44 GMT -6
Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! In my mind's eye, the RF guy dresses and acts differently than the rest of the crew. Like Hugo Weaving in The Matrix. Doesn't use any diagnostic tools. He just KNOWS. That’s because if he’s any good his RF Explorer RF scanner is the size of a gameboy so it doesn’t look like he is really working 😁 But man it shows you everything going on in the RF spectrum you need to worry about. Of course if the stage is in a Venue built over an interstate some trucker with a big old booster on CB will still ruin your day, but at least you can figure out what it is. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 19:14:53 GMT -6
Unless you want to be a rigger, FOH, or systems tech. IEM is wedge world! Plus if the tour is big enough you have an RF guy! I'm talking about working sound guys - they are expected to be able to run and understand IEM's. Happens all the time with the gigs we do in the UK. We got so sick of guys who have no clue, I've set up my own split rig so we can handle our own IEM's and just send the FOH guy the splits. Better training needed for "real world" situations. To do big tours - first you've got to come up through the ranks and we come across to many clueless FOH when it comes to dealing with IEM's or using their digital boards to the full. Let’s see the 3 most trouble some worlds of live sound,, the snake in general, grounding and the split, plus RF, yeah I’m sure it’s more I don’t want to deal with it than I don’t know how, but seen many play dumb. Remember even the best wireless is on its absolute best day an OK substitute for a cable. At this point, seeing how some poorly designed digital has serious RF issues the RF Explorer is with me on any gig ( dare I admit I was using it today on a WiFi problem). The best RF guys I know all came out of broadcast, an actual licensed radio engineer has this piece of paper that says he understands RF & can tap out an SOS I’m morris code if things get really bad. The average generic sound dude doesn’t understand that RF is a world of harmonics. Plus again more regionals are like I said growing their own, cuts down on bad habits, the sound dude is probably working the gig as a union hand & loading racks and stacks, gaffing cables. Probably the guy I saw on dog walk this AM almost drive a forklift load of ATA’s into the bumper of the truck. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 21, 2024 19:44:59 GMT -6
I hope you're right but I really don't know of many in LA. If you'd care to share that'd probably be good information to put out there. I see ads everywhere for "studios" with 1 U87, 1C1LB, a laptop in a "vibey" room with colored lights and an xbox charging 7-800$+ for 8 hours with an engineer in LA. They crop up everywhere now. That makes me think (and I'm sure a lot of other people think) that a REAL studio is at the bare minimum 1.5x to double for the same 8 hours.
I would sure love to use a serious studio for 5 to 6-700 bux a day that seems reasonable. 1500-2000 seems financially scary.
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. Yeah, well that settles that. If renting a serious studio is in my future, looks like I will be taking a road trip to do it.  LA is just so inflated on price for everything, it's one of the main reasons I've never made more than 1 or 2 calls to a real studio here and just built my own. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 20:22:27 GMT -6
I hope you're right but I really don't know of many in LA. If you'd care to share that'd probably be good information to put out there. I see ads everywhere for "studios" with 1 U87, 1C1LB, a laptop in a "vibey" room with colored lights and an xbox charging 7-800$+ for 8 hours with an engineer in LA. They crop up everywhere now. That makes me think (and I'm sure a lot of other people think) that a REAL studio is at the bare minimum 1.5x to double for the same 8 hours.
I would sure love to use a serious studio for 5 to 6-700 bux a day that seems reasonable. 1500-2000 seems financially scary.
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. LA real estate is just to expensive you can’t make the mortgage on current rates, other markets are starting to see the same issue. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 21, 2024 20:46:14 GMT -6
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. LA real estate is just to expensive you can’t make the mortgage on current rates, other markets are starting to see the same issue. You may have missed the part where I mentioned NYC and Boston 🤣 I appreciate that the real estate market is fucked. It's a reality that has impacted my studio severely, and several others in the area, but it *can* be managed. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 21, 2024 21:09:21 GMT -6
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. LA real estate is just to expensive you can’t make the mortgage on current rates, other markets are starting to see the same issue. Say that again. 400 sqft in Reseda is running about 1800-2000$ a month.
Work 12 hours a day at minimum wage (16$) you're at about 3000 after taxes.
After overpriced food, gas and others you can put away 100 bucks a month for studio time. There's your 6 hours a year to record. 
Ward said with the "doing your own haricut, taxes, dentistry" etc.
It's funny cause literally this past 6 weeks I've started to try cutting my own hair to save money. A good haircut is 50$ plus tip here. Also it takes about an hour out of my day during prime traffic hours. I've done my own taxes online for the last 3 years for 25$ a year. The place I used to go to charged me 400$ to do it.
And now with my job slowing down I'm considering cutting out eating at food joints all together. McDonalds and Carls Jr is 15$ a meal, let alone a healthy spot, 25$ easy. I've been searching up meal prep ideas and even bought a grill so I can cut it down to about 5$ a meal.
I don't know why businesses charge so much here, maybe its the real estate prices - in which case the greedy landlords are to blame. Maybe LA just attracts money hungry types.
Anyway perhaps all the DIY won't be worth the effort but I'm gonna find out. What excites me is having more time to record because of the money I'm hoping to save.
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Post by lee on Jul 22, 2024 20:36:36 GMT -6
Oh man, that's depressing.
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Post by carymiller on Jul 22, 2024 22:27:58 GMT -6
Not sure how many of the big classic rooms are still left in LA. Anybody here do anything at the Record Plant? Record Plant closing
Cheers, Geoff I saw this the other day. It's a damn shame. I know my old Boss Shelly used to work out of there a lot. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 22, 2024 23:39:15 GMT -6
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. Yeah, well that settles that. If renting a serious studio is in my future, looks like I will be taking a road trip to do it. LA is just so inflated on price for everything, it's one of the main reasons I've never made more than 1 or 2 calls to a real studio here and just built my own. If you ever make that trip, I'll knock $100 off the day rate at Mad Oak. You can hold me to that |
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Jul 23, 2024 14:38:23 GMT -6
Economics are geography different depending on the local ecosystem. I bet just their air conditioning bill was $10k a month, alone. Don’t even get started with all the “tribute” that local potentates demand. Thats what it costs to run an enterprise level studio.
Even in the heyday of the recording industries, most large studio were lucky if they broke even from booking revenue alone. Other sources were required.
The ultimate cause of budgets dropping to unsustainable levels is not the labels or studio’s fault. It’s us. We are paying less than $20 a month for virtually unlimited content. We used to pay $20 for one, single album (and it was a risk that we would even like it!).
The present revenue model does not appear to be sufficient to support an INDUSTRY. Film is feeling it now, too.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jul 23, 2024 18:20:16 GMT -6
Well said Scott!
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 23, 2024 20:02:01 GMT -6
Ah, two things: 1. Studios in LA are, simply put, unrealistically priced. Not to say they don't deserve the 1500-2000 per day or whatever, but as you pointed out, the budgets just aren't there. Come a bit east, to Nashville, NYC, or (if I do say so myself!) Boston and you can find exceptional spaces for the prices I'm talking about. 2. I have only ever inquired about rates without an engineer, because I am doing so on behalf of my clients for whom I will be the engineer. My room -- with me engineering -- is just shy of $700/day. We are a 'real' studio (console, lots of outboard, mics, a large live room, iso booths, lounge, etc...oh, and vibey lighting ). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from. In NYC and Nashville, it's a similar story. Head out into smaller markets, and you can really find some killer spots with a bit of negotiating skills and a touch of flexibility around dates. Yeah, well that settles that. If renting a serious studio is in my future, looks like I will be taking a road trip to do it. LA is just so inflated on price for everything, it's one of the main reasons I've never made more than 1 or 2 calls to a real studio here and just built my own. If your on LA check out Stagg Street Studio, in the Valley. They had very affordable day rates. They’re a “real” studio with an API legacy console and nice nice. I remember booking their room for around $650/day back in the mid 2000’s. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 18, 2024 16:31:07 GMT -6
Economics are geography different depending on the local ecosystem. I bet just their air conditioning bill was $10k a month, alone. Don’t even get started with all the “tribute” that local potentates demand. Thats what it costs to run an enterprise level studio. Even in the heyday of the recording industries, most large studio were lucky if they broke even from booking revenue alone. Other sources were required. The ultimate cause of budgets dropping to unsustainable levels is not the labels or studio’s fault. It’s us. We are paying less than $20 a month for virtually unlimited content. We used to pay $20 for one, single album (and it was a risk that we would even like it!). The present revenue model does not appear to be sufficient to support an INDUSTRY. Film is feeling it now, too. I’m not sure this is true though, I mean, in the mid 2000’s - 2010’s a lot of music was being illegally downloaded which meant 0 revenue. Today illegally downloaded music is almost completely gone. There’s reports/articles that drBill and others have pointed out that shows streaming revenue is comparable to when records were sold physically in the industry. Or at the very least recording sales revenue is better than it was 10-15 years ago. I think record company’s just want to produce records for tiny money. I’ve heard stories of record companies putting their artists in mansion studios that the record company happens to actually own unbeknownst to the artist, then they inflate the rate of the studio to put that cost on the books and the artist is going to have to pay back those fees out of streaming revenue. And plenty of major label artist are being steered into a home studio environment by the label, Olivia Rodrigo works with 1 dude in his home studio, she’s about as big as they come at this point. Seems like major labels are making more deals with producer-home-studio guys because it’s way cheaper than producer in a big bonified studio situation. It does make more sense practically especially if the artist is a single person who can comfortably work in a house/lack of big space. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 18, 2024 16:37:52 GMT -6
 Numbers for 2023 are like 17–18billion. Thats approaching the peak in 1999. Over double the revenue of 2014 where big studios were still being utilized a lot in the industry |
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). There's a famous 'legacy'-type studio here in town that I haven't worked at in quite some time, but I used to get clients into regularly for under $1k including my day rate to engineer. I bet these days it's more, and has likely cracked the $1k mark, but I don't know for sure. But there are plenty of other excellent option to choose from.
LA is just so inflated on price for everything, it's one of the main reasons I've never made more than 1 or 2 calls to a real studio here and just built my own.
