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Post by Dan on Sept 26, 2024 2:00:13 GMT -6
I did a mix... prob 90 mins.... Pretty close to finished... would like to do a little automation here and there...and I still have to put a solo in...which I have an idea on. Happy All Alone Mix 1 Here is what I am using in the mix (the faders in Luna are shortened here so I can fit everything in....8)... it doesn't always look like that....LOL..... )  API summing on the busses The 327 channel has the Sphere Putnam Mic model of a 251 and the Banjo channel is the Putnam C12A Sound City is the virtual room , and the Bricasti on a chamber is the reverb. The AMS RMX is only on the vocal...and the delay is on the vocal... I want to automate this a bit.. so the panning changes.... cheers Wiz Ps anyone getting something out of this? Should I continue.......? Hey danthanks mate for taking the time and posting the mix's... appreciate .... lovely to hear some of the plugs you often talk about. Both mixes sound nice and soft and pillowy to me...I think I prefer the satin mix.....will listen again tomorrow with fresh ears... I did pick up on something a touch weird..... sounds like a gating issue on the voice? happens quite a lot during the mix.... if you listen to the word "you" in the line "you stand there smiling" it sticks out pretty prominently.... what's causing that? When you talk about Satin....are you talking about Fab Filter Satin? cheers and thanks again Wiz prob compression artifact or the gate. I need to go back and fix it tomorrow. I prob adjusted it and just didn’t notice. |
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Post by theshea on Sept 26, 2024 7:55:27 GMT -6
I mixed the track this afternoon and just finished it up. I found a lot of the color plugins you posted to sound annoying so I did it as ho hum as possible to prove it doesn't matter that much. One print has nothing on the mix bus. The other has an EQ into u-He Satin. All EQ is Oxford Type 3. TDR Arbiter as a de-esser because it's the best. All compression is Oxford Dynamics along with a gate on the main vocal. The background vocals are saturated by the Warmth because they didn't hit the Neve emulations. The Oxford has a nice sheen and makes the vocal float. Oxford Transmod on the cheesy pokey drum samples. Vintage Warmer on the bass to make it cut better. Oxford Reverb because almost anything worked so why not? The editing and not great fades demand a big reverb. A high shelf into Satin hit lightly for warmth, smooth saturation, head bump, and all important glue. Taken off, everything isn't as glued together but is cleaner. Oxford Limiter is just used for a dc filter, dither, and to prevent any intersample peaks which there were none because I didn't push the mix. we.tl/t-G2ec0cEd7T sounds very polished despite using so few plugins. i‘d guess the oxford plugins do have a polished sound and don‘t sound neutral? |
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Post by spud on Sept 26, 2024 7:58:42 GMT -6
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Post by theshea on Sept 26, 2024 11:03:59 GMT -6
mix n3 – this time with real recorded drums. its my trashy set, the snare is fine, its a ludwig supraphonic but the rest is no name trash kit. but i still think it adds something to the mix which is better than the mididrums. it got a certain neil young vibe now me thinks. and that's why this time – after the heavy produced mix n2 – i went with a natural mix. yeah, i know the bass is maybe to much, but i didn't eq, i mostly just put PA neold v76 preamp on everything, again the IK tape 24 and mostly a bit of MJUC doing very few GR. on the mixbus there's just a SDRR in desk mode with a bit of crosstalk and again IK tape 80. it's all pretty "nude", to my trashy drum mono room mic, a beyer m55 omni i added a touch of IK sunset studio room 3 reverb and on the vocal sunset studio spring reverb. mix n3: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nqidykhy7lt7kdm26rld8/240926_HAA_Mix4b.wav?rlkey=2r3mwp64tw82p58ppjswmdtip&st=wdiyqcjo&dl=0 |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 26, 2024 14:26:23 GMT -6
Loaded it the tune, quickly played a few "tings", (very quickly as you will hear) and then did a quick mix thru my summing set up...
By the way, I wish I knew my way around the Superior drummer, EZ drums thing? I have it, but only use if for sample triggering if I need it.
I so rarely use the thing, that I never learned it?
Very old school here...(no, I mean very old!)
Anyhow I'll post my take, if I can figure out how to attach it here?
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Post by svart on Sept 26, 2024 15:17:09 GMT -6
Ok so here's mine. About an hour, mostly doing some editing. Lots of breath noises and rustling around between phrases in the vocals. ALSO, all the background vocals have weird edits. There's beginning and endings cut off early and that make hard pop sounds and shorten the words a little. I faded those so they won't be so noticeable. Mix wise it was mostly brightening up the tracks (you guys sure do like to mix dark) and getting some level control going on the vocals then adding small amounts of reverb and delay to give it some depth and alleviate the flatness a little. Happy All The TimeAnd since folks are sharing their screens with the stuff they used:  |
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Post by wiz on Sept 26, 2024 16:17:06 GMT -6
Ok so here's mine. About an hour, mostly doing some editing. Lots of breath noises and rustling around between phrases in the vocals. ALSO, all the background vocals have weird edits. There's beginning and endings cut off early and that make hard pop sounds and shorten the words a little. I faded those so they won't be so noticeable. Mix wise it was mostly brightening up the tracks (you guys sure do like to mix dark) and getting some level control going on the vocals then adding small amounts of reverb and delay to give it some depth and alleviate the flatness a little. Happy All The TimeAnd since folks are sharing their screens with the stuff they used: View AttachmentYeah I screwed the edits on the BVs a touch... but a fade will fix.... 8) Apart from the bv edit... everything is left as tracked...rather than me clean them up..which I did in my mix. Thanks so much for participating svart. It's really interesting how different all these mixes are, tone wise and treatment wise. Appreciate the time and effort it takes. Cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Sept 26, 2024 16:19:30 GMT -6
Loaded it the tune, quickly played a few "tings", (very quickly as you will hear) and then did a quick mix thru my summing set up... By the way, I wish I knew my way around the Superior drummer, EZ drums thing? I have it, but only use if for sample triggering if I need it. I so rarely use the thing, that I never learned it? Very old school here...(no, I mean very old!) Anyhow I'll post my take, if I can figure out how to attach it here? Hey nobtwiddlerwould love to hear the mix.. .you can upload to dropbox/wetransfer or any other hosting site and just share the link here... cheers Wiz |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 26, 2024 17:05:20 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Sept 26, 2024 17:24:18 GMT -6
The link is fine.... thanks bud Love the production additions....makes me think....I should add more.... something I always struggle with...extra parts.. The delay on the banjo is very interesting as well... Thank you so much for taking the time to post ... I really appreciate it cheers Wiz |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 26, 2024 18:59:39 GMT -6
My pleasure!
Love your stuff, and just heard a few things, so I figured, I'd give it a shot?
Obviously parts could be performed more precisely, and edited so they don't step on another part, but that's basically what I heard.
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Post by wiz on Sept 26, 2024 19:02:41 GMT -6
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Post by Dan on Sept 26, 2024 20:24:56 GMT -6
I mixed the track this afternoon and just finished it up. I found a lot of the color plugins you posted to sound annoying so I did it as ho hum as possible to prove it doesn't matter that much. One print has nothing on the mix bus. The other has an EQ into u-He Satin. All EQ is Oxford Type 3. TDR Arbiter as a de-esser because it's the best. All compression is Oxford Dynamics along with a gate on the main vocal. The background vocals are saturated by the Warmth because they didn't hit the Neve emulations. The Oxford has a nice sheen and makes the vocal float. Oxford Transmod on the cheesy pokey drum samples. Vintage Warmer on the bass to make it cut better. Oxford Reverb because almost anything worked so why not? The editing and not great fades demand a big reverb. A high shelf into Satin hit lightly for warmth, smooth saturation, head bump, and all important glue. Taken off, everything isn't as glued together but is cleaner. Oxford Limiter is just used for a dc filter, dither, and to prevent any intersample peaks which there were none because I didn't push the mix. we.tl/t-G2ec0cEd7Tsounds very polished despite using so few plugins. i‘d guess the oxford plugins do have a polished sound and don‘t sound neutral? The old Oxford plugins are neutral except for the limiter and inflator and optional distortion functions. The Paul Frindle ones from Sony were extremely well thought out. The tracks came in mostly distorted and saturated during recording. No need to distort them or compress anything but the main vocal anymore except for the background vocals and fake drums and adding a little spice to the di bass and glue on the mix. No mix bus compression needed. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 26, 2024 20:32:27 GMT -6
I did a mix... prob 90 mins.... Pretty close to finished... would like to do a little automation here and there...and I still have to put a solo in...which I have an idea on. Happy All Alone Mix 1 Here is what I am using in the mix (the faders in Luna are shortened here so I can fit everything in....8)... it doesn't always look like that....LOL..... ) API summing on the busses The 327 channel has the Sphere Putnam Mic model of a 251 and the Banjo channel is the Putnam C12A Sound City is the virtual room , and the Bricasti on a chamber is the reverb. The AMS RMX is only on the vocal...and the delay is on the vocal... I want to automate this a bit.. so the panning changes.... cheers Wiz Ps anyone getting something out of this? Should I continue.......? Hey dan thanks mate for taking the time and posting the mix's... appreciate .... lovely to hear some of the plugs you often talk about. Both mixes sound nice and soft and pillowy to me...I think I prefer the satin mix.....will listen again tomorrow with fresh ears... I did pick up on something a touch weird..... sounds like a gating issue on the voice? happens quite a lot during the mix.... if you listen to the word "you" in the line "you stand there smiling" it sticks out pretty prominently.... what's causing that? When you talk about Satin....are you talking about Fab Filter Satin? cheers and thanks again Wiz That's your own vocal delivery + compressor overshoots from me not having the limiter threshold low enough to catch the initial syllables. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 26, 2024 20:34:11 GMT -6
Great job Paul! I like the additional parts and how you thinned out the drums to be less RAWK. |
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Post by smashlord on Sept 26, 2024 21:00:31 GMT -6
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 27, 2024 9:31:21 GMT -6
Hey Dan,
It was a blast to spend a few hours on the tune, what else was I gonna do on a rainy day here in Nashville!
Haha
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Post by wiz on Sept 27, 2024 17:58:19 GMT -6
mix n3 – this time with real recorded drums. its my trashy set, the snare is fine, its a ludwig supraphonic but the rest is no name trash kit. but i still think it adds something to the mix which is better than the mididrums. it got a certain neil young vibe now me thinks. and that's why this time – after the heavy produced mix n2 – i went with a natural mix. yeah, i know the bass is maybe to much, but i didn't eq, i mostly just put PA neold v76 preamp on everything, again the IK tape 24 and mostly a bit of MJUC doing very few GR. on the mixbus there's just a SDRR in desk mode with a bit of crosstalk and again IK tape 80. it's all pretty "nude", to my trashy drum mono room mic, a beyer m55 omni i added a touch of IK sunset studio room 3 reverb and on the vocal sunset studio spring reverb. mix n3: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nqidykhy7lt7kdm26rld8/240926_HAA_Mix4b.wav?rlkey=2r3mwp64tw82p58ppjswmdtip&st=wdiyqcjo&dl=0I like the drums...sounds cool.. nice mix too.... cheers Wiz |
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Post by patrickp on Sept 27, 2024 20:57:42 GMT -6
best mix for me personaly. can hear the bass on my tablet. also nice comp on the drum but all still sound natural and glued |
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Post by wiz on Sept 27, 2024 21:10:31 GMT -6
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Post by smashlord on Sept 27, 2024 22:33:00 GMT -6
best mix for me personaly. can hear the bass on my tablet. also nice comp on the drum but all still sound natural and glued Thanks! Drum comp was an API 2500 as an insert following an API 5500 and pair of Audioscape EQP-As, trying to get the extra transformers/tubes to help round off the transients and an ADR Compex in parallel. |
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Post by spud on Sept 28, 2024 1:08:09 GMT -6
Today I will have time to listen to the mixes that were made. I like the idea of seeing what was done with the screenshots and I also like to see the tools used. It's funny how from one person to another (well on the few that are here) the tools are different.
Thanks Wiz for allowing this kind of little exercise, I find it really nice and even if I don't understand all the lyrics (I'm French and relatively bad at English), I enjoyed the song, it's a change from hip-hop lol
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Post by copperx on Sept 28, 2024 2:57:24 GMT -6
Here's mine. Wanted to make it more aggressive. Quickie, all outboard, no plugins. As I printed the tune I realized it was clipping the converters🤦 Oh well. s3.amazonaws.com/Sender/AllAloneAg.mp3 |
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Post by wiz on Sept 28, 2024 3:57:21 GMT -6
Here's mine. Wanted to make it more aggressive. Quickie, all outboard, no plugins. As I printed the tune I realized it was clipping the converters🤦 Oh well. s3.amazonaws.com/Sender/AllAloneAg.mp3I dig it! cheers Wiz |
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Post by theshea on Sept 28, 2024 8:49:40 GMT -6
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