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Post by mobeach on Aug 10, 2014 11:24:09 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 10, 2014 17:35:30 GMT -6
It was really awful. Looked to me like he goosed it going by, maybe to kick up a little mud at the guy or something, and got loose right into him. I don't think he intentionally hit the guy, but I think he should be put away for it.
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Post by svart on Aug 10, 2014 18:57:47 GMT -6
Oh man, in the video when the dude gets wound up under the car and flies out, you can see he's all kinds of messed up. It looked like his body was turned all around. Yikes. Yeah, that's at least manslaughter.
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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2014 9:49:38 GMT -6
Today, I walk into work and strike up a conversation with a guy that LOVES nascar and his driver is/was Mr. Stewart.. He immediately started in on how it was an accident and you could tell that by the video it was unintentional.
It's amazing how your likes/dislikes mold your perception around something. He was absolutely convinced that he was trying to avoid the other dude and slid into him.
I think the video clearly shows that Mr. Stewart tried to "fake" the dude out by coming at him and got a little too close and the dude got pulled under the wheel, completely the opposite to what my coworker thinks.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 11, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -6
I think the video clearly shows that Mr. Stewart tried to "fake" the dude out by coming at him and got a little too close and the dude got pulled under the wheel, completely the opposite to what my coworker thinks. That's what I saw.
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Post by donr on Aug 11, 2014 11:42:48 GMT -6
It was really awful. Looked to me like he goosed it going by, maybe to kick up a little mud at the guy or something, and got loose right into him. I don't think he intentionally hit the guy, but I think he should be put away for it. --------- Terrible. But is Kevin Ward posthumously excused for getting out of his car, and standing in the middle of the racetrack with the intention of getting as close into Stewart's face/car as possible WITHOUT getting hit? 'Cause that's what he did. Ward created the situation that led to his death. Accident or vehicular homicide, Ward enabled it. Are sports figures today expected to behave like professional wrestlers or guests on the Jerry Springer show? Is it all about the show, or how you react on camera to personal affront?
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Post by unit7 on Aug 11, 2014 12:39:06 GMT -6
It was really awful. Looked to me like he goosed it going by, maybe to kick up a little mud at the guy or something, and got loose right into him. I don't think he intentionally hit the guy, but I think he should be put away for it. --------- Terrible. But is Kevin Ward posthumously excused for getting out of his car, and standing in the middle of the racetrack with the intention of getting as close into Stewart's face/car as possible WITHOUT getting hit? 'Cause that's what he did. Ward created the situation that led to his death. Accident or vehicular homicide, Ward enabled it. Are sports figures today expected to behave like professional wrestlers or guests on the Jerry Springer show? Is it all about the show, or how you react on camera to personal affront? Totally agree. Man, was he pumped up.. On occassions like this I'm not that proud of belonging to the male genus. Makes me think all men should instead think more about something like music..or even...coreography...
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 11, 2014 13:15:30 GMT -6
What a bummer, i watched that vid about 5 times, the track was dark as hell, Kevin Ward was dressed completely in black, it looked to me like the car in front of stewart (that almost hit Ward), could have easily blocked Stewart's view, also, as an old motocrosser, i know that dirt track racing is a very slippery business, acceleration steers more than anything else, stewart could have been caught in a racers quandary, if you decelerate you plow straight forward no matter how hard you turn the wheel which would have certainly killed ward, it seems stewart reacted by gassing the car to avoid him, which is a completely logical reaction, but that decision ultimately whipped the rear right into the kid, but ultimately this is a darwinistic suicide on Wards part, it's sad that he was such a dumbass hot head 20 year old, like most 20 year olds, but come on, you could hardly make a worse decision than playing chicken with 3,000lb race cars in a "snot on ice" traction situation! to be fair, Stewart has a history as a hot head as well. it'd be interesting to see what Shannon has to say about this, he was a pro motocrosser and really understands the physics of traction on dirt.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 11, 2014 17:25:57 GMT -6
Getting out of the car was a deadly mistake.
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Post by ericn on Aug 11, 2014 19:45:07 GMT -6
Everybody talks about Tonys temper, everybody on every race track has that temper, it's what you want in a driver. Having met Tony, I m sure he did something stupid, but as our own Tony said Dirt track at night pretty stupid getting out of your car.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 13, 2014 9:41:47 GMT -6
Wow! A lot of people are saying TS murdered that kid? I say they're nutz! I've been very angry before(including on a dirt race track), the day that I'd choose to run someone over in anger(even on a tiny by comparison dirt bike), could NEVER come, I'd drive into a brick wall first, TS is not a homicidal freak people, it was an accident who's circumstances were created by Kevin ward, its just the way it is. He was running around on a dark dirt race track in black gear, when is the last time you've seen anyone tempt fate like that?
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Post by mobeach on Aug 13, 2014 12:25:14 GMT -6
Didn't the caution flag come out immediately following the accident?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 13, 2014 13:17:58 GMT -6
Yes. I think they're still cruising at a clip of 60 or so with the caution though. Also, it was only out for a half lap, so they could have still been coming down in speed. I don't think TS was trying to murder anyone though. Maybe scare the kid. Maybe he was looking at the car and all of a sudden the kid was in his path. Either way, I don't think it was intentional that he ran the kid down.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 13, 2014 14:08:10 GMT -6
apparently there is a second video, that would be interesting to see.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 13, 2014 15:17:04 GMT -6
I know visibility sucks out there, in the video that actually shows him getting hit I had to watch it 10 times to catch all of it. There shouldn't be criminal charges but I'm betting this hurts his career.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 13, 2014 15:23:01 GMT -6
I know visibility sucks out there, in the video that actually shows him getting hit I had to watch it 10 times to catch all of it. There shouldn't be criminal charges but I'm betting this hurts his career.I'm betting it hurts his soul. I think people are pretty friggin callous, i feel sorry for Stewart, killing another human being isn't easy for anyone but the lowest of the low.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 13, 2014 16:32:26 GMT -6
I know visibility sucks out there, in the video that actually shows him getting hit I had to watch it 10 times to catch all of it. There shouldn't be criminal charges but I'm betting this hurts his career.I'm betting it hurts his soul. I think people are pretty friggin callous, i feel sorry for Stewart, killing another human being isn't easy for anyone but the lowest of the low. I'm sure it will, he'll be thinking of ways he could have done it different for the rest of his life.
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Post by ericn on Aug 14, 2014 20:16:00 GMT -6
Tony, I don't think he killed him, I think Tony being Tony being Tony, he did something he shouldn't have done and if the Kid wasn't so stupid, and he wasn't so stupid the kid might be alive. Nothing criminal, just stupid. And Smoke has to live with it. Tony has had a pretty good life, and now he has to live with this. Growing up on the WI dirt tracks ( Dick Trickle & Dave Marcus were both clients of my dad's and I remember Dave's mom worked the desk at the Hospital my mom worked at) I know that everybody knows some body could get killed at any moment. The rule is always "don't be stupid" and everybody will do something stupid! It's the way it is.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 15, 2014 4:48:30 GMT -6
The sport is dangerous enough when everyone stays IN their cars.
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Post by Shannon on Aug 18, 2014 17:36:56 GMT -6
What a bummer, i watched that vid about 5 times, the track was dark as hell, Kevin Ward was dressed completely in black, it looked to me like the car in front of stewart (that almost hit Ward), could have easily blocked Stewart's view, also, as an old motocrosser, i know that dirt track racing is a very slippery business, acceleration steers more than anything else, stewart could have been caught in a racers quandary, if you decelerate you plow straight forward no matter how hard you turn the wheel which would have certainly killed ward, it seems stewart reacted by gassing the car to avoid him, which is a completely logical reaction, but that decision ultimately whipped the rear right into the kid, but ultimately this is a darwinistic suicide on Wards part, it's sad that he was such a dumbass hot head 20 year old, like most 20 year olds, but come on, you could hardly make a worse decision than playing chicken with 3,000lb race cars in a "snot on ice" traction situation! to be fair, Stewart has a history as a hot head as well. it'd be interesting to see what Shannon has to say about this, he was a pro motocrosser and really understands the physics of traction on dirt. First off all our prayers and thoughts to family and friends. Only with skimming the thread easy on me for the details, Tony mentioned many points that are true, prob all of them are. From racer view. I held a PRO-MOTOCROSS License for over 10 yrs or a costly licencse to get my ass kicked at that level lol. In 1992 I was AMA Amateur National Champ... AMA Rookie..BLAH BLAH.. The point is that when i returned racing then later forced pro i felt i had a X on me. Everyone would got to great lengths to beat me, I never never raced with the Number 1 plate on my bike after seeing what happend no way. At the first few races returning before being forced pro i felt only like it woud make me more of a target. Well i seen people that i knew well simply ride over there head, try to triple instead of double and come short. One person which i practiced with, honestly shoved me out of the holeshot and ended up in the woods ( not me him ) it was supposed to be me. I am no way saying that the kid did something intentional. A racer is a racer, no matter what is. Your brain is programmed different than most our wrist twist and / or foot goes down and really go blank to tunnel vision. just like any us or even me. Getting up in the ranks, then shooting to be in the position of a pro one day or being a local pro.. WOW GUESS WHO IS IN THE SIGN UP LINE....... Well the gate drops filled with determination, we push ourselves to the edge making jumps, taking out side lines. well you get the ideal At every drop of the gate, my head down saying my prayers to have a safe race. I been a berm a landing pad center punched. It racing and have to face it. We taught not to pass at times flag not allowing, not to walk in front of a triple or get in the way. I think he got clouded and upset and simply forgot of his surroundings after pushing the outside line to hard and being pissed at himself. I am know way sure, but I know i have done similar things. Tony S was in the wrong place at that time and doing something he loves. It saddening and beyond words racers do what we love to do go fast as hell at all costs and win and sometimes try not to think of the worst so that fear is not a factor, no matter it gets us all at some point at some amount of broken bones and injuries and always pray to walk away. We as racers know this in a deep dark place, but it never seems to stop us from doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 20:38:18 GMT -6
Well said
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Post by yotonic on Aug 19, 2014 20:32:02 GMT -6
I was there at this race. A lot of people saw a young kid trying to get his 2 minutes of fame pulling a "Tony Stewart" on Tony, and Tony making a HUGE judgement error in even "engaging". It doesn't surprise me that Tony is laying low.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 31, 2014 17:12:21 GMT -6
Tony is behind the wheel tonight, he's getting a lot of support from the fans and drivers.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 24, 2014 13:56:51 GMT -6
A grand jury will not indict Stewart, and Ward was under the influence of Marijuana at the time of death. Wow! Smoking and racing!
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Post by yotonic on Sept 24, 2014 21:28:14 GMT -6
Yeah but they didn't even test the rich celebrity. Typical inept small town crap. I feel a little bad for Kevin's family because everyone here knew that Sheriff Povero and that broken down DA here were out of their depth to even handle this. Ontario County is a joke, unless you are looking for cheap meth.
It was guaranteed they would kick the can down the road to the Grand Jury. You could see that right away in the way this whole thing was handled. They just didn't know what to do. Tony would have had to stop get out and shoot the kid before they could have even wrapped their head around any sort of indictment. They have a long track record of mismanagement and WTF? moves.
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