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Post by thehightenor on Oct 4, 2024 7:03:11 GMT -6
Why do you want to sell some gear? I thought you really loved your STA Level and other hardware? I mean I love a pretty GUI as much as the next man, but plug-ins on vocals …. is that going to cut it for you? I’ve got lots of plug-ins, Sonnox Dynamics, UAD emulations, Fabfilter etc and they all sound so clinical and being honest a “boring” compared to great hardware. Plus you can’t track with them. If you sell that Retro STA Level you know you’re going to regret it! There are about 2500 reasons I’d like to sell a sta-level. There is that. Good point. Still .... don't do it
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Post by copperx on Oct 4, 2024 7:58:56 GMT -6
But don’t worry, people. I’m not selling it.
At this point, I wonder ... is it a bigger deal if Johnkenn sells his Sta-Level or wiz sells his U87?
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 4, 2024 9:00:40 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 4, 2024 9:01:47 GMT -6
But don’t worry, people. I’m not selling it.
At this point, I wonder ... is it a bigger deal if Johnkenn sells his Sta-Level or wiz sells his U87? did wiz sell his 87? That would shock me
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Post by copperx on Oct 4, 2024 9:15:25 GMT -6
At this point, I wonder ... is it a bigger deal if Johnkenn sells his Sta-Level or wiz sells his U87? did wiz sell his 87? That would shock me
I hope not. That thing fits him better than a tailor-made Savile Row suit.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 4, 2024 9:39:57 GMT -6
did wiz sell his 87? That would shock me
I hope not. That thing fits him better than a tailor-made Savile Row suit.
thats what i think also, he'd auction off body parts first....
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Post by Dan on Oct 4, 2024 9:41:55 GMT -6
Just listening on an iPad…but I didn’t particularly love any of the examples. I just got the Unfairchild…so not sure if this is just redundant (plus I have the Retro)…But I’d LOOOOVE to sell some shit. Why do you want to sell some gear? I thought you really loved your STA Level and other hardware? I mean I love a pretty GUI as much as the next man, but plug-ins on vocals …. is that going to cut it for you? I’ve got lots of plug-ins, Sonnox Dynamics, UAD emulations, Fabfilter etc and they all sound so clinical and being honest a “boring” compared to great hardware. Plus you can’t track with them. If you sell that Retro STA Level you know you’re going to regret it! not everyone’s music needs murk and distortion added into it to make it exciting. Hardware advancement removed all of the gunk that got in the way of the music, the performance, the timbre, and hurt translation when the problems weren’t able to be fixed without adding further problems. Many musicians are that good. All of that stuff got in the way. How do you tell someone that your new piece cannot fix the real world problems without major sonic degradation or cartoonish distortion because the designer thought it sounded cool on a fake drum? That’s when they admit that their processor isn’t the advertised type but is a toy. Unfortunately most of the market is toys trying to capture a past that never existed where most of processors weren’t pushed into distortion for very good reasons and many 70s productions even favored audible noise over distortion like Ryo Fukui’s Scenery.
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 4, 2024 10:11:27 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 4, 2024 10:31:24 GMT -6
But don’t worry, people. I’m not selling it.
At this point, I wonder ... is it a bigger deal if Johnkenn sells his Sta-Level or wiz sells his U87? Is wiz crazy about his 87 - I didn't know that. His recorded voice sure sounds fantastic!
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 4, 2024 13:08:15 GMT -6
not everyone’s music needs murk and distortion added into it to make it exciting. Hardware advancement removed all of the gunk that got in the way of the music, the performance, the timbre, and hurt translation when the problems weren’t able to be fixed without adding further problems. Many musicians are that good. All of that stuff got in the way. How do you tell someone that your new piece cannot fix the real world problems without major sonic degradation or cartoonish distortion because the designer thought it sounded cool on a fake drum? That’s when they admit that their processor isn’t the advertised type but is a toy. Unfortunately most of the market is toys trying to capture a past that never existed where most of processors weren’t pushed into distortion for very good reasons and many 70s productions even favored audible noise over distortion like Ryo Fukui’s Scenery. Counterpoint: The Gates Sta-level compressor like the Gates CA-70 preamp represent some of the best designs from the golden era at the pinnacle of audio quality. Most "advancement" since that era has resulted in a steady decline in audio quality in favor of reduced heat, maintenance, size and costs. A plugin like this offers a good portion of the coveted Sta-level tone and action with almost no additional heat, power and maintenance costs. It's a win/win for those who know.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 4, 2024 14:09:57 GMT -6
Quote SOS Hugh Robjohns an extremely respected ex BBC engineer on a Thermionic tube EQ
Whenever I buy these tube units, Coil CA-70, Retro STA, Millennia, Thermionic Swift, Thermionic Phoenix etc.
I'm impressed by how clean they can sound - if you have no hands on experience with them you might think they're going to sound "tubey" but actually they're capable of very clean audio.
I've solid state units capable of producing more "hair on the signal"
Yes, you can drive them if you want but I just love using them for that glossy sheen and depth of field they add.
My productions don't sound saturated in the least - just very big - two very different things to my ears.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 4, 2024 14:14:35 GMT -6
This is what I want and associate with higher end OB, not plug ins.
“Yes, you can drive them if you want but I just love using them for that glossy sheen and depth of field they add.”
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Post by Dan on Oct 4, 2024 14:31:41 GMT -6
not everyone’s music needs murk and distortion added into it to make it exciting. Hardware advancement removed all of the gunk that got in the way of the music, the performance, the timbre, and hurt translation when the problems weren’t able to be fixed without adding further problems. Many musicians are that good. All of that stuff got in the way. How do you tell someone that your new piece cannot fix the real world problems without major sonic degradation or cartoonish distortion because the designer thought it sounded cool on a fake drum? That’s when they admit that their processor isn’t the advertised type but is a toy. Unfortunately most of the market is toys trying to capture a past that never existed where most of processors weren’t pushed into distortion for very good reasons and many 70s productions even favored audible noise over distortion like Ryo Fukui’s Scenery. Counterpoint: The Gates Sta-level compressor like the Gates CA-70 preamp represent some of the best designs from the golden era at the pinnacle of audio quality. Most "advancement" since that era has resulted in a steady decline in audio quality in favor of reduced heat, maintenance, size and costs. A plugin like this offers a good portion of the coveted Sta-level tone and action with almost no additional heat, power and maintenance costs. It's a win/win for those who know. I agree and technical things like more accurate compressors, better mics, and transformerless Pres but a direct circuit model of the compressor would melt cpus to get very similar tone and action like cytomic the scream does. You could make a digital compressor that functions and copies much of the action and tone without the usually problems of circuit modeled compressors that have infinite harmonics of infinite harmonics and melt cpus but that wouldn’t sound identical. That’s pretty much what MJUC is for some other varimus and why it behaves better than most other varimu plugins. Or the glue only component models the sidechain of the ssl bus comp. HQ off simplifies the entire model of MJUC to run stably (and misfire more) without oversampling and sounds much more like a standard digital compressor. Or Arouser for the Distressor but Arouser unfortunately tends to misfire because they didn’t care to make it fully functional so you have a crazy overshoot and naturally crank the soft clipper to clip off the overshoot, unlike the Distressor. The Glue doesn’t do the ssl bus snare and guitar fizz thing because it’s more cleaned up being an ideal digital compressor that behaves like a ssl bus than even the cleaned up xlogic and smart c2. Unfortunately so many plugins now let the user make the unit dysfunctional unlike the better pure digital plugins, by not modeling, decramp or upsampling filters, have auto upsampling at lower sample rates, smooth zero crossings, prevent hard code breaks and branches, smooth rectifiers beyond abs functions, fir smoothing filters to prevent aliasing, multirate sampling to anti-alias only certain functions, etc. the worst offenders often being emulation plugins that don’t brute force oversample like uad2, current softube, and fuse ones do. Even then, uad cannot make stuff like their 1176 fully functional. It’s the nature of the beast and just simplifying a circuit model. eg, Pulsar 1178 sounds awful at 1x oversampling and melts my old laptop’s cpu at 4-8x. On my desktop, at 8x, the action isn’t bad anymore but still isn’t as smooth as decent digital compressors like even the old Sonnox ones, the goodhertz faraday limiter, the psp impressor, weiss ds1 set right to smooth it out, unisum I’ve tweaked some the presets to sound way more like a hardware fet comp than any model, the same with molot ge. And that’s just what I have installed!
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Post by wiz on Oct 4, 2024 14:56:51 GMT -6
87 is still here …..8)
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 4, 2024 20:15:29 GMT -6
You know - I have never seen that movie…I need to watch it. But that shit made me laugh
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Post by Dan on Oct 4, 2024 21:17:18 GMT -6
You know - I have never seen that movie…I need to watch it. But that shit made me laugh it’s great.
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 4, 2024 22:01:16 GMT -6
You know - I have never seen that movie…I need to watch it. But that shit made me laugh Mix up a few white Russians and laugh at a true masterpiece with your family and friends. It's an event.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 5, 2024 3:20:57 GMT -6
Great movie!
The Coen Brothers made great films.
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Post by christophert on Oct 5, 2024 5:34:51 GMT -6
I'm on the fence (mainly due to price) Curious to know how this plug in compares to MJUC, which is still my fave Sta like comp, after having a pair for over a decade. The behavior of MJUC is very much like the hardware (on HQ mode) Lately I have been running MJUC into the Coil plug in, and finding this combo "closer" to the real tube / transformer magic.
The other compressor plug in that I have completely flipped out over is PSP Flare - I run it as the final comp in most chains. It is insane how much invisible compression you can get, and still retain dynamics, and the high end gets more focused. MJUC and Flare are incredible partners. (and Molot is the Mike Tyson of compressors )
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 5, 2024 12:31:12 GMT -6
Wow. This is really, really good. Like - it sounds like my sta-level. Little dirtier even with the age knob all the way CC. This was an instant buy when I thought it was $75. Feel like it was a bit of a bait and switch - the newsletter said "sign up and receive $15 off." Or not. Oh - I believe MJUC is modeled after a 176, right?
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2024 14:11:31 GMT -6
Wow. This is really, really good. Like - it sounds like my sta-level. Little dirtier even with the age knob all the way CC. This was an instant buy when I thought it was $75. Feel like it was a bit of a bait and switch - the newsletter said "sign up and receive $15 off." Or not. Oh - I believe MJUC is modeled after a 176, right? I saw the $15 off signup too but right below that in smaller print of the message it said something about doesn't apply to new or certain plugs. Something like that. You can always wait till Black Friday and see if it drops lower.
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Post by plinker on Oct 5, 2024 23:49:23 GMT -6
I've always been curious what the Sta-level sounds like -- this is pants-dropping good and a sound I've been after for a long time!
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Post by spud on Oct 6, 2024 1:31:20 GMT -6
How does it compare to the Kiive/Audioscape or Arturia version?
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Post by copperx on Oct 6, 2024 1:50:15 GMT -6
How does it compare to the Kiive/Audioscape or Arturia version? Well, this one is also by Kiive, isn't it? On this one, the modeling was QA'd by the ears of Eric Valentine. I think this additional step should become a thing. And I don't mean famous people putting their name on emulations, like everyone does. I mean giving the bare bones model to some golden eared guy with decades of experience mixing to tweak the action of the emulation until it's the best it can be, like what happened here.
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Post by knucklehead89 on Oct 6, 2024 5:28:01 GMT -6
This plugin and the Unfairchild plugin might be the two best compressor plugins ever made. They’re the real deal
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