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Post by skav on Nov 1, 2024 18:32:36 GMT -6
This feels cool in a vintage analog way to me- lots of room character love the harmonic explosiveness Great! Glad you like it  |
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Post by smashlord on Nov 1, 2024 21:28:47 GMT -6
That's what he was recreating with the videos/mix contest. He called it "desert rock" I imagine because last time he did a video on a QotSA breakdown Josh Homme had him take it down.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 1, 2024 21:49:08 GMT -6
Nice man. Curious did you use the digital files? Feels like it to me at least. Used a lot more of the room sound too compared to me. i went for a more dead sound. I knew I’d miss the cutoff so I submitted a ‘first impression’ rough last week. 🤔 I really didn’t get the guitar honestly thought it was an afterthought. Then I watched the videos, started to understand the producer’s vision. And of course it was written on guitar first! I realized I needed to make it shake the building more. Especially bass. Also I could create some width with those extra mics and amps. And holy $&@* the in/out NS10 speaker fok.. I’m sold! both are required! Messed around with Link Audio brown EQ, a lot of playing with asymmetrical image. Because I get bored easy. 😔 And dammit- I forgot to go and spend time to make guitar sound huge samply.app/p/eSE6U47RKMAe72oeQtEjNice man. Something is odd to me in the imaging going on. Might be the panning in the 3 overhead drum mics. Feels right heavy. There were videos on it? I just went in cold turkey and did what I'd do with a nod towards what I think Eric usually likes to hear. Nice! Bit crunchy at times but drums are huge! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 1, 2024 21:50:04 GMT -6
I dig the stereo spread! A great use of setting up the chorus. Really well balanced Thanks! Classic move, wider in the chorus. Although honestly I didn't automate that or anything. Mostly does that by itself. |
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Post by skav on Nov 2, 2024 4:10:07 GMT -6
Nice man. Curious did you use the digital files? Feels like it to me at least. Used a lot more of the room sound too compared to me. i went for a more dead sound. I honestly don't know. I barely read or watched anything beforehand. Been busy moving the past few weeks, but wanted to attempt a mix with headphones. Downloaded the raw files and chose to work with the tracks I liked better. If I broke any rules, I would'nt know. |
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Nov 2, 2024 7:50:15 GMT -6
I didn't even attempt to submit a mix, but, this one was pretty eye opening. For me, it really drives home the point that it is much "easier" to get a usable sound when you start with great tracks. Instead of spending a ton of time fixing issues, you're making musical choices.
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Post by Dan on Nov 2, 2024 7:59:38 GMT -6
I didn't even attempt to submit a mix, but, this one was pretty eye opening. For me, it really drives home the point that it is much "easier" to get a usable sound when you start with great tracks. Instead of spending a ton of time fixing issues, you're making musical choices. you’re pretty much producing and not mixing recordings of an artist then unless you mean the fader balance. The mix should be about moving faders and maybe a bus compressor to control your fader rides then if you even need to do it or to set a player in a position in the stereo image but people do not use them for dynamic control but instead as guitar pedals. Mixing just becomes an exercise in applying unnecessary distortion rather than fixing the problems with the recordings. Most popular music now is so distorted that it impacts the translation. There’s not even a cleanish vocal and a distorted beat like Dr Dre. Queens of the Stone Age doesn’t really have a lot going on musically at once but it is approaching sheeny soft play dough but obviously nothing like modern itb pop and hip hop where they have tons of distortions, often with minimal digital artifacts they can stack up that will make a neve 1073 and other classic equipment that produces a fair amount of distortion sound sterile. |
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Nov 2, 2024 9:32:35 GMT -6
I didn't even attempt to submit a mix, but, this one was pretty eye opening. For me, it really drives home the point that it is much "easier" to get a usable sound when you start with great tracks. Instead of spending a ton of time fixing issues, you're making musical choices. you’re pretty much producing and not mixing recordings of an artist then unless you mean the fader balance. The mix should be about moving faders and maybe a bus compressor to control your fader rides then if you even need to do it or to set a player in a position in the stereo image but people do not use them for dynamic control but instead as guitar pedals. Mixing just becomes an exercise in applying unnecessary distortion rather than fixing the problems with the recordings. Most popular music now is so distorted that it impacts the translation. There’s not even a cleanish vocal and a distorted beat like Dr Dre. Queens of the Stone Age doesn’t really have a lot going on musically at once but it is approaching sheeny soft play dough but obviously nothing like modern itb pop and hip hop where they have tons of distortions, often with minimal digital artifacts they can stack up that will make a neve 1073 and other classic equipment that produces a fair amount of distortion sound sterile. Oh, maybe I'm misunderstanding. This wasn't meant to be a slight at all. But I simply meant that I had a lot of fun listening to tracks that were actually recorded really well, at least from somebody that knows 100% what they are doing from start to finish. I'm still learning at lot, and it has been rare to see how things work "behind the scenes" so to speak, and especially when you combine the audio tracks wth the videos Eric has available on his site. Like, how much gating do you apply to the individual drum tracks? Eric left that stuff in there, and I think it makes it easy to hear why certian decisions were made in his approach. At least to someone like me who is still honing my skills largely on my own. Even without the minimal plugins, to me at least, it seems like you can get a pretty decent sound just with the faders, at least for these tracks. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 2, 2024 9:49:46 GMT -6
I didn't even attempt to submit a mix, but, this one was pretty eye opening. For me, it really drives home the point that it is much "easier" to get a usable sound when you start with great tracks. Instead of spending a ton of time fixing issues, you're making musical choices. you’re pretty much producing and not mixing recordings of an artist then unless you mean the fader balance. The mix should be about moving faders and maybe a bus compressor to control your fader rides then if you even need to do it or to set a player in a position in the stereo image but people do not use them for dynamic control but instead as guitar pedals. Mixing just becomes an exercise in applying unnecessary distortion rather than fixing the problems with the recordings. Most popular music now is so distorted that it impacts the translation. There’s not even a cleanish vocal and a distorted beat like Dr Dre. Queens of the Stone Age doesn’t really have a lot going on musically at once but it is approaching sheeny soft play dough but obviously nothing like modern itb pop and hip hop where they have tons of distortions, often with minimal digital artifacts they can stack up that will make a neve 1073 and other classic equipment that produces a fair amount of distortion sound sterile. Mixing is as much about knowing what not to do, and when not to do it, as it is about control. |
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Post by christopher on Nov 2, 2024 10:01:13 GMT -6
This is all an effort to get people to try out his website and pay for content. The hard part is making a profile where you can send some cash. Once that’s done the videos are an easy purchase. $1 each is no big deal, if you have some downtime and are bored, and also messing with the tracks.. might as well pay the buck and see what he says?
The first mix I did was without knowing anything, just raw analog files. And yeah it was mostly faders and pans. The gritty top was kinda too much but cool in a punk way, I rolled with it.
In the videos he shows what the mics are, where and why. I start to understand. To me the FOK alone was worth the price of the video, and getting to learn how to make that work. Never heard of 2x NS10 approach there.
And something huge he mentioned… the mix he did is on the board. So he’s doing all his EQ on outboard, it’s not baked into the files. And for the tracks he will extreme boost highs into tape so they crunch and limit, then subtract highs during mix. So my first impression ‘roll with it’ approach was completely wrong, it’s supposed to be messed with. This avoids needing highs later and boosting hiss, at same time giving the top some compression and harmonics.
I found that extremely insightful for me: most of the tracks sounded like bad experiments on first listen to me. Like too roomy, too phased, too bright. After watching the vids and knowing the mics he’s using, the goal, it made me approach it way differently. That kinda blew my mind. Not that my mix is done, or done well; I’d estimate another 4-6 hours before I’d get something worth enjoying 🤣.. definitely check out the drum video, the mics are good stuff
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2024 10:56:34 GMT -6
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