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Post by professorplum on Nov 15, 2024 17:04:53 GMT -6
The major difference is that not a single piece of technology spanning the last 100 years of music recording was able to write melodies, lyrics, parts, sing, mix, etc. and generate an entire finished song out of thin air.
AI can.
Can it? Superficially it can. It’s fake intelligence - producing fake art. I prefer to separate digital drivel from actual art. Call me old fashioned  Ironically, if you ask an AI why it produces such awful art - it will tell you the reasons why
I totally agree that its lifeless and weird sounding right now. But give it 5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if an AI song blows up on Tiktok or Spotify and ends up on the "charts".
It's not my preferred genre, but I think we overestimate how much the general public (not us musicians) values "human performances" in pop music. I mean listen to how quantized and aggressively auto-tuned hip hop and alot of vocal pop is. Not to mention the actual robotic sounding high-pitched vocal sound trends in electronic/bass music. It sounds incredibly lifeless to me, but these genres completely dominate streaming services with the most streams.
I just have a really hard time believing that its not going to be impactful 10-20 years from now in ways that we don't and can't fully understand yet.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 15, 2024 18:10:06 GMT -6
Can it? Superficially it can. It’s fake intelligence - producing fake art. I prefer to separate digital drivel from actual art. Call me old fashioned Ironically, if you ask an AI why it produces such awful art - it will tell you the reasons why
I totally agree that its lifeless and weird sounding right now. But give it 5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if an AI song blows up on Tiktok or Spotify and ends up on the "charts".
It's not my preferred genre, but I think we overestimate how much the general public (not us musicians) values "human performances" in pop music. I mean listen to how quantized and aggressively auto-tuned hip hop and alot of vocal pop is. Not to mention the actual robotic sounding high-pitched vocal sound trends in electronic/bass music. It sounds incredibly lifeless to me, but these genres completely dominate streaming services with the most streams.
I just have a really hard time believing that its not going to be impactful 10-20 years from now in ways that we don't and can't fully understand yet.
But the main stream charts already sound like digital drivel - I’ve listened to Radio 1 …. it’s beyond awful. So now the kids can have an AI make the music instead of dragging and dropping loops in Logic X or Live or whatever DAW they use to produce cookie cutter pop. It’ll give them more time to pose on Tik Tok and “insta” baby. Reverse of the saying …. Same bucket just a different method of producing the sh*t It won’t effect the great singer songwriter and artists out their who are connecting with the heart and soul of their fans. I’ve heard some great new music recently and it’s not something DATA base is going to “create” By definition an AI cannot create … it mimics and re-creates …. perfect for radio 1. Yes, AI is a fabulous “calculator” …. its ability to produce “art” will never get beyond a fancy parlour toy. Personally, I get moved by fellow humans … perhaps I’m just old fashioned |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 15, 2024 18:48:49 GMT -6
When Sonic Foundry introduced ACID everyone was saying how it was the end, well it wasn’t. We adapt to incorporate new tools, very few technical revolutions but pretty much everything we touch is a technological evolution. I don’t disagree…but there’s a difference in learning how to use loops and just saying, “Create a rock song in 6/8 with blah blah blah…” and it just spits it out. It’s not going to be long before it’s completely indistinguishable…and I wonder what that’s going to do to the human psyche. I would have no interest in spending time doing something a machine could do better. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 15, 2024 18:49:12 GMT -6
Can it? Superficially it can. It’s fake intelligence - producing fake art. I prefer to separate digital drivel from actual art. Call me old fashioned Ironically, if you ask an AI why it produces such awful art - it will tell you the reasons why I totally agree that its lifeless and weird sounding right now. But give it 5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if an AI song blows up on Tiktok or Spotify and ends up on the "charts". It's not my preferred genre, but I think we overestimate how much the general public (not us musicians) values "human performances" in pop music. I mean listen to how quantized and aggressively auto-tuned hip hop and alot of vocal pop is. Not to mention the actual robotic sounding high-pitched vocal sound trends in electronic/bass music. It sounds incredibly lifeless to me, but these genres completely dominate streaming services with the most streams.
I just have a really hard time believing that its not going to be impactful 10-20 years from now in ways that we don't and can't fully understand yet.
Try 5 months. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 15, 2024 18:51:17 GMT -6
I totally agree that its lifeless and weird sounding right now. But give it 5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if an AI song blows up on Tiktok or Spotify and ends up on the "charts". It's not my preferred genre, but I think we overestimate how much the general public (not us musicians) values "human performances" in pop music. I mean listen to how quantized and aggressively auto-tuned hip hop and alot of vocal pop is. Not to mention the actual robotic sounding high-pitched vocal sound trends in electronic/bass music. It sounds incredibly lifeless to me, but these genres completely dominate streaming services with the most streams.
I just have a really hard time believing that its not going to be impactful 10-20 years from now in ways that we don't and can't fully understand yet.
But the main stream charts already sound like digital drivel - I’ve listened to Radio 1 …. it’s beyond awful. So now the kids can have an AI make the music instead of dragging and dropping loops in Logic X or Live or whatever DAW they use to produce cookie cutter pop. It’ll give them more time to pose on Tik Tok and “insta” baby. Reverse of the saying …. Same bucket just a different method of producing the sh*t It won’t effect the great singer songwriter and artists out their who are connecting with the heart and soul of their fans. I’ve heard some great new music recently and it’s not something DATA base is going to “create” By definition an AI cannot create … it mimics and re-creates …. perfect for radio 1. Yes, AI is a fabulous “calculator” …. its ability to produce “art” will never get beyond a fancy parlour toy. Personally, I get moved by fellow humans … perhaps I’m just old fashioned YOU might not be interested…bit we are dinosaurs dying off…Kids are coming up and this is the only thing they know. Hopefully, there will be a backlash against anything that sounds too perfect. But we’ve been saying that since the advent of autotune. |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 15, 2024 20:15:46 GMT -6
It makes your head hurt AND your ears hurt. Stay away! haha That also explains why the instruments sound so weird, if it’s doing something that’s more similar to modeling than samples. It’s like Modo Drum where you can tweak it to where it almost sounds like real drums…until you compare it to basic samples and then everything sounds off, especially the transients. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 16, 2024 1:22:51 GMT -6
But the main stream charts already sound like digital drivel - I’ve listened to Radio 1 …. it’s beyond awful. So now the kids can have an AI make the music instead of dragging and dropping loops in Logic X or Live or whatever DAW they use to produce cookie cutter pop. It’ll give them more time to pose on Tik Tok and “insta” baby. Reverse of the saying …. Same bucket just a different method of producing the sh*t It won’t effect the great singer songwriter and artists out their who are connecting with the heart and soul of their fans. I’ve heard some great new music recently and it’s not something DATA base is going to “create” By definition an AI cannot create … it mimics and re-creates …. perfect for radio 1. Yes, AI is a fabulous “calculator” …. its ability to produce “art” will never get beyond a fancy parlour toy. Personally, I get moved by fellow humans … perhaps I’m just old fashioned YOU might not be interested…bit we are dinosaurs dying off…Kids are coming up and this is the only thing they know. Hopefully, there will be a backlash against anything that sounds too perfect. But we’ve been saying that since the advent of autotune. There absolutely no need for the “YOU” when addressing me. I’m just making my feelings known like everyone else does on a public forum! I honestly believe AI art isn’t going to affect anyone who produces real art. Plus, it’s not effecting me or my band playing live shows. AI isn’t going to be able to stand on stage and entertain the folks which is where music begins and ends when you think about any successful artists. |
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