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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 18, 2024 22:20:24 GMT -6
Now my walls are finally fully treated, and on to the last step. I had managed to obtain some Malvicino Design Group ceiling clouds (if you've ever been to Westlake Nashville, you saw them up everywhere, and now available for sale on Reverb since that building is changing ownership: reverb.com/item/85236382-malvicino-design-group-acc1-ceiling-cloud-60-x30-x5). They're pretty heavy. I have a construction duo who built my buddy's high end studio coming in to hang them, but I'm nervous. What if they don't do a good job (although they obviously did with his) and a cloud falls on my head killing me, or worse yet, falls on my console damaging it? Strangely the instructions that come with the panels from the designer say to use drywall anchors to hang them from the drywall ceiling. Everyone who saw that says don't do that - you gotta go into the ceiling joists! Makes sense... But from my understanding, the way to hang stuff from ceiling joists is to use screws that go through the drywall and then into the joist, but it's still just a screw. Is there a way to go through the joist and come out the other side like a drywall anchor would? Or is the screw tension good enough? Nervous. Any tips appreciated. Thanks!!
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Post by Ward on Nov 19, 2024 12:08:33 GMT -6
I don't particularly like them, even though all the dying and dead bugs and spiders that collect in them are kind of amusing.... prefer a ceiling diffusor
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 19, 2024 12:51:05 GMT -6
Yikes, never thought of that. My home studio so no bugs though… uh so far that is Spiders maybe. I would have loved to have done some ceiling diffusers…
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 19, 2024 14:58:50 GMT -6
Good screws into the studs should be just fine. Believe it it not, heavy duty drywall anchors will hold. The Lag Bolt type anchors will hold something like 250lbs each…however you need high quality, 5/8” dry wall or better. I personally wouldn’t trust the dry wall anchors for holding something heavy above your head…
Fun story…one time I was hanging big commercial JBL speakers for an install, they were up about 20 ft in a bar renovation. The contractor gave us the ok on where to place them. We used heavy duty lag bolts. The next day we came back to the job site and 3 of the speakers had ripped out of the wall and fallen on the ground. They could have easily killed someone. Still attached to the speaker bracket were huge chunks of dry wall. The lag bolt anchors held just fine…it was the dry wall (double layers of 5/8”) that broke. That’s when the contractor told us that the entire wall had previous water damage from a broken pipe…I’m like wtf? Why wouldn’t you tell us that when we were installing. Anyway, no one got hurt and the broken speakers didn’t come out of my paycheck so we just reinstalled them and anchored them with safety chains to studs.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 19, 2024 17:31:02 GMT -6
Yikes! Had to walk away from a projector install once when there was clearly no thought given to preserving life below.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 19, 2024 18:30:57 GMT -6
brb I need to check my dictionary for the definition of “fun”! That is a terrifying story., exactly what I’m worried about. Good to hear joist screws should be fine.
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2024 8:12:50 GMT -6
For mine I used eyebolts on both sides (joists and cloud) and chains with carabiners. I made sure that every part was rated for the weight of the whole cloud for extra safety.
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Post by ericn on Nov 20, 2024 16:17:27 GMT -6
Basics of flying anything
first all load rated hardware, you need to make sure you use hardware rated for at least 5 times the actual load, but 7x is better, make sure that rating is for the angle the load will actually be at. Each part should be rated at the full weight including that of hardware not based distributing the load. 2. Use forged closed eye bolts not open eye bolts. Any eye bolts should be secured with washers and nuts not wood screw threads. As far as attachment to ceilings don’t attach directly to beams, either attach to a block between 2 beams with the screws into the side of the beam not up and down. This distributes load between 2 beams and the load isn’t hanging being supported by the heads of a couple of screws.
there used to be a basic handbook for flying speakers on line, if you can find it same principles apply.
If you are in doubt of your skills / math, contact your local SR provider with a flying rig or theatrical lighting company and see if you can hire their rigger.
Circ De Sole has been doing rehearsals for the past month for their x-mas show just down the street, who is the most important person involved with the show?
The rigger, they screw up people die.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 20, 2024 16:41:42 GMT -6
As far as attachment to ceilings don’t attach directly to beams, either attach to a block between 2 beams with the screws into the side of the beam not up and down. This distributes load between 2 beams and the load isn’t hanging being supported by the heads of a couple of screws. Very useful thank you! Specifically regarding this bit, how do you do that if it's already a finished room and there is a pristine drywall ceiling in place?
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Post by ericn on Nov 20, 2024 18:17:13 GMT -6
As far as attachment to ceilings don’t attach directly to beams, either attach to a block between 2 beams with the screws into the side of the beam not up and down. This distributes load between 2 beams and the load isn’t hanging being supported by the heads of a couple of screws. Very useful thank you! Specifically regarding this bit, how do you do that if it's already a finished room and there is a pristine drywall ceiling in place? Unfortunately you are going to have to cut into that drywall! But most of your repair work should be hidden by the cloud.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 20, 2024 20:35:18 GMT -6
Well I do know a good drywall guy. Time to just bite the bullet and do this. Thanks!!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 26, 2024 11:31:29 GMT -6
I don't particularly like them, even though all the dying and dead bugs and spiders that collect in them are kind of amusing.... prefer a ceiling diffusor I had a bird fly through my window once and take up residence in my ceiling clouds. Very difficult to catch. Kept hopping from one cloud to the other.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 27, 2024 20:57:33 GMT -6
I don't particularly like them, even though all the dying and dead bugs and spiders that collect in them are kind of amusing.... prefer a ceiling diffusor I had a bird fly through my window once and take up residence in my ceiling clouds. Very difficult to catch. Kept hopping from one cloud to the other. !!! How did that story end? Hopefully by it developing the good sense to fly back out all on its own.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 27, 2024 20:59:10 GMT -6
Speaking of a story ending, my clouds and up! And my panels went up a few days earlier so my little home music room (ok gear obsession room) is complete. I will add a photo or two here from a sharing site.
Thanks so much for all the help.
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