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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 8, 2015 17:02:29 GMT -6
Bassism haha!, show me a band with a weak guitar player playing bass, and i'll show you a weak band 8)
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Post by henge on Aug 9, 2015 6:24:58 GMT -6
Page was sloppy live, so Led Zep needed an ultra solid rhythm section. JPJ was definitely the backbone of that band. JPJ was tight. I think he kept Bonham on the mark a lot of times - as it seems to appear in the videos. I think tonycamphd posted a solo Bonham recording and the man was ROCK SOLID!! I love JJP but Bonham (like all great drummers ) nailed it down for JJP and the boys imo... |
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Post by b1 on Aug 9, 2015 7:31:13 GMT -6
I used my fingers for everything until I saw this, since then i started working with a pick as it seems more useful to me now 8) , I don't deny that Bonham was solid. I was thinking along the lines that Jones bridged the gap for Bonham and kept him on the mark with Page. Watch the vid Tony posted and watch the eye contact between Jones & Bonham. Bonham seems to be referencing Jones in so many videos. Yeah, Bonham could do a solid solo and was a solid drummer - I agree. As Mobeach stated, and I also agree, Jones was the backbone of the band. Those two definitely played off of each other, but listen to the bass line in that vid and notice how Bonham is slamming the cymbals in beat to Jones rhythm change/note structure around the 2:40 mark. JPJ was driving it all... IMO. |
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Post by b1 on Aug 9, 2015 7:34:32 GMT -6
Check this:
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 9, 2015 8:38:41 GMT -6
Bonhanm drove the bus, but they were a team, Bonham ultimately needed no one, he was pure music on his own, no doubt they made each other better though.
I like at 2:59 when the vid maker puts a pic of some random dude in? Haha
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 21:09:25 GMT -6
No doubt there is a whole lotta love for those two guys around here. For a reason.
They acted together like a perfect classic rock drums and bass team. Like a prototype. Similar to Moon and Entwistle, but there it was not so obvious because Townshend had much more connection and interaction with the drums, what made him more connected and less sloppy in rhythm than Page.
Entwistle btw. is a very interesting bassist. I could never figure out in detail why his play works so well in the band. I always considered his techniques and sound very unique and unorthodox in many regards, *sometimes* quite unmelodic or anarchic and soundwise "overdosed", but it worked extremely well in the context. I tried to copy him for a while when i practised finger play, but gave up soon, because he is so unique i think it doesn't work for anyone else to play this way...
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Post by henge on Aug 10, 2015 9:12:07 GMT -6
I used my fingers for everything until I saw this, since then i started working with a pick as it seems more useful to me now 8) , I don't deny that Bonham was solid. I was thinking along the lines that Jones bridged the gap for Bonham and kept him on the mark with Page. Watch the vid Tony posted and watch the eye contact between Jones & Bonham. Bonham seems to be referencing Jones in so many videos. Yeah, Bonham could do a solid solo and was a solid drummer - I agree. As Mobeach stated, and I also agree, Jones was the backbone of the band. Those two definitely played off of each other, but listen to the bass line in that vid and notice how Bonham is slamming the cymbals in beat to Jones rhythm change/note structure around the 2:40 mark. JPJ was driving it all... IMO. To my ears it sounds like a nice cohesive rhythm section but with Bonham laying it down and JPJ "funkifying" up the groove. But hey, you could hear it how your hearing it as well. As far as eye contact, I've always locked eyes with drummers. it adds a little something extra imo... |
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Post by henge on Aug 10, 2015 9:14:45 GMT -6
I love the composition on this bass line. Just gorgeous. The phrasing in the chorus is brilliant imo... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 10, 2015 10:01:58 GMT -6
it's all about the "ugh" with these 2, if you know bout swing, you know exactly what i'm talkin bout 8)
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Post by tonecraft on Aug 10, 2015 23:04:20 GMT -6
Pick bass is an essential style and if you need a historical reference as an example it's pretty easy: Carol Kaye
Good Vibrations (and most of Pet Sounds, Beach Boys)
I'm Feelin Alright(Joe Cocker)
Wichita Lineman (Glen Campbell)
River Deep Mountain High (Ike and Tina)
Midnight Confessions
Boots were made for walkin
The list goes on and on and on.
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Post by henge on Aug 11, 2015 5:32:52 GMT -6
Pick bass is an essential style and if you need a historical reference as an example it's pretty easy: Carol Kaye Good Vibrations (and most of Pet Sounds, Beach Boys) I'm Feelin Alright(Joe Cocker) Wichita Lineman (Glen Campbell) River Deep Mountain High (Ike and Tina) Midnight Confessions Boots were made for walkin The list goes on and on and on. Chris Squire was pick exclusively if I recall. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 11, 2015 18:28:35 GMT -6
[quote author=" henge" source="/post/68636/thread" timestamp="1439219527"As far as eye contact, I've always locked eyes with drummers. it adds a little something extra imo...[/quote] I always locked eyes with a chick in the crowd. Haha. |
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Post by henge on Aug 12, 2015 8:22:55 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Aug 15, 2015 15:41:38 GMT -6
"only bass"....ha. Crackin me up.
My answer is nearly always fingers, but heavier rock doesn't usually work well with fingers. Kind of the exception to the rule. Any time the goal is to simply kind of sound like a lower pitched electric guitar, a pick will bring that.
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Post by tonecraft on Aug 15, 2015 18:04:09 GMT -6
An essential part of a great pick bass sound is using flatwound strings, which were on nearly every electric bass until the early 70's.
Here are a few examples by two of my favorite bassists.
Carol Kaye
Joe Osbourne
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Post by mobeach on Aug 27, 2015 18:45:20 GMT -6
Great pick tone here.
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Post by Gustav on Sept 7, 2015 11:58:51 GMT -6
Fingers, although I wish I was a picker after watching that isolated Led Zep bass track. Also, if you are playing something with 5 strings or more, you be lame.  Gustav |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2015 17:36:58 GMT -6
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Post by mobeach on Sept 7, 2015 18:08:03 GMT -6
Fingers, although I wish I was a picker after watching that isolated Led Zep bass track. Also, if you are playing something with 5 strings or more, you be lame. Gustav I recently laid down some tracks using a pick with my Yamaha RBX A2 5 string, even the B string is nice and crisp. This Yamaha's tone is similar to a Jazz Bass. |
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Post by Gustav on Sept 16, 2015 11:46:16 GMT -6
Fingers, although I wish I was a picker after watching that isolated Led Zep bass track. Also, if you are playing something with 5 strings or more, you be lame. Gustav I recently laid down some tracks using a pick with my Yamaha RBX A2 5 string, even the B string is nice and crisp. This Yamaha's tone is similar to a Jazz Bass. I never understood the 5-6-7-8-12 string approach to bass playing I found myself lucky enough to win the trial to get into the conservatory here at an early age, coming from a rock background, playing a 60s precision bass , spending tons of hours actually learning my instrument as a groove vehicle. I was puzzled when I saw the other players already in sporting their 5-6 string yamaha/mørch (a danish manufacturer)e etc basses playing John Pattitucci every chance they got. I find the "sound" of Yamah basses to be horrible, and the best compliment I ever got was from a drummer I respect a lot at a jam who said "you make these idiot drummers with no sense of time sound like they've got swing". I always thought bass players who focused on soloing were complete losers. I am sure I am still tainted by my whole experience getting into the jazz world (I did it for 6 years and ended up playing double bass, which got me a lot of session and gigging work in the end, but never much joy). I just automatically think of guys who focus more on soloing than playing bass when I see something with more than 4 strings Getting back into jazz these days. Its great, but I still prefer the coked up jazz trio guys of the 60s to the modern fusion heads. Bill Evans, anyone!? Is this an odd post? I hope so! Gustav |
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Post by mobeach on Sept 16, 2015 15:04:32 GMT -6
I recently laid down some tracks using a pick with my Yamaha RBX A2 5 string, even the B string is nice and crisp. This Yamaha's tone is similar to a Jazz Bass. I never understood the 5-6-7-8-12 string approach to bass playing I found myself lucky enough to win the trial to get into the conservatory here at an early age, coming from a rock background, playing a 60s precision bass , spending tons of hours actually learning my instrument as a groove vehicle. I was puzzled when I saw the other players already in sporting their 5-6 string yamaha/mørch (a danish manufacturer)e etc basses playing John Pattitucci every chance they got. I find the "sound" of Yamah basses to be horrible, and the best compliment I ever got was from a drummer I respect a lot at a jam who said "you make these idiot drummers with no sense of time sound like they've got swing". I always thought bass players who focused on soloing were complete losers. I am sure I am still tainted by my whole experience getting into the jazz world (I did it for 6 years and ended up playing double bass, which got me a lot of session and gigging work in the end, but never much joy). I just automatically think of guys who focus more on soloing than playing bass when I see something with more than 4 strings Getting back into jazz these days. Its great, but I still prefer the coked up jazz trio guys of the 60s to the modern fusion heads. Bill Evans, anyone!? Is this an odd post? I hope so! Gustav Nathan East has one of the best tones out there, and he either plays a 5 or 6 string Yamaha TRB. I play mainly 4 string but I have one 5 and two 6ers, fretted and fretless. Different tools for different jobs. I had a TRB 6er years ago and loved it. Apples and oranges.. obviously you have your opinion, you're entitled to it. |
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