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Post by ragan on Aug 20, 2015 23:17:50 GMT -6
Anyone know what Vibrato effect this is on the left side? I love it and want to use it for a song. Amp? Pedal? It's definitely a proper vibrato/pitch based effect, not a standard volume based tremolo type thing.
PS Stupid video, but good band.
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Post by b1 on Aug 21, 2015 4:07:57 GMT -6
Are you talking about the Flanger on the Guitar?
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Post by ragan on Aug 21, 2015 8:58:05 GMT -6
Are you talking about the Flanger on the Guitar? No. The main rhythm guitar on the left has a pitch vibrato effect. It sounds like the classic Magnatone vibrato. Maybe that's what it is.
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Post by b1 on Aug 21, 2015 9:18:40 GMT -6
Are you talking about the Flanger on the Guitar? No. The main rhythm guitar on the left has a pitch vibrato effect. It sounds like the classic Magnatone vibrato. Maybe that's what it is. hmmm... it sounds to me like a flanger pedal run through the amp vibrato/tremlo (technically diff - swapped as generic terms oft times)
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Post by ragan on Aug 21, 2015 10:39:40 GMT -6
No. The main rhythm guitar on the left has a pitch vibrato effect. It sounds like the classic Magnatone vibrato. Maybe that's what it is. hmmm... it sounds to me like a flanger pedal run through the amp vibrato/tremlo (technically diff - swapped as generic terms oft times) I'm not hearing the flange but that don't mean it's not there. But it's definitely getting pitch-vibrato. That's the part I want to emulate. From the demos I've been listening to, the Line 6 Space Chorus sounds the best.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 21, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -6
man, I really got to get my glasses checked but I relieved to realize the title of this thread is not" What vibrator effect is this ?" Although that video might be more interesting ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 22, 2015 11:45:52 GMT -6
Ragan, that's a flange on the left, definitely not a vibrato. Right at 0:32 -0: 33 it's perfectly clear it's not a vibrato, but sounds like a setting on a pedal. Don't forget many pedals go from a chorus to flange, so it might be dialed in the in between, so it's not an easy call identifying it.
I honestly don't think it's anything special like an old Supro or a vintage Fender, it just sounds like a typical chorus pedal set toward the flangey side or a flanger set to a low setting.
Good sounding band, but man, the main chords are right from Lay Lady Lay, just speeded up...
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Post by b1 on Aug 22, 2015 12:16:49 GMT -6
I tried a Ross Flanger pedal today. I can get pretty close, but not 100%. So maybe it is a Chorus Pedal set to the flangey side.
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Post by ragan on Aug 22, 2015 12:20:16 GMT -6
Ragan, that's a flange on the left, definitely not a vibrato. Right at 0:32 -0: 33 it's perfectly clear it's not a vibrato, but sounds like a setting on a pedal. Don't forget many pedals go from a chorus to flange, so it might be dialed in the in between, so it's not an easy call identifying it. I honestly don't think it's anything special like an old Supro or a vintage Fender, it just sounds like a typical chorus pedal set toward the flangey side or a flanger set to a low setting. Good sounding band, but man, the main chords are right from Lay Lady Lay, just speeded up... Ha. I totally disagree! There is pitch modulation. Might be flange too. I'm 100%! That pitch is going up and down!
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Post by ragan on Aug 22, 2015 12:34:18 GMT -6
Listen at 2:05 here. He's not strumming chords but it's a similar pitch effect.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 22, 2015 12:41:44 GMT -6
If there is, it could be a harmonizer, it just doesn't sound like any vibrato I've ever heard from an amp. The chucka chucka in the beginning sure sounds chorusy/flangey to me. I've heard very similar sounds hundreds of times from pedals. That said, it's hard to say for sure, he could have a little pinch of vibrato n a Fender amp. The chord begins on the left, then the reverb flys to the center, so there's some processing going on there for sure. Hell, maybe find the guitarists blog or email and ask him. I've gotten responses to some technical questions from some producers you'd think would be way too busy to respond to my minutia.
Oh, and the phrasing on "sti -i il" at :36 and" ho-o-ome" at :56 are right off of Squeeze's "Pulling Mussels (from the Shell). This is a really good band, I don't know why they're stealing so blatantly. There are influences, and there's outright copping. I know it's been done before, I just had to call it.
** update, your last post just beat me to the punch as I was editing. I listened closer, and wouldn't argue it wasn't a vibrato too, but this pedal video kinda confirms my guess, that it's a pedal effect and not from the amp.
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Post by 79sg on Aug 22, 2015 13:19:41 GMT -6
Not sure it's a vibrato but I think I could get that sound using my Moogerfooger Clusterflux MF-108M adjusting the LFO on sine wave with a slow rate and amount.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2015 9:01:04 GMT -6
Any luck Ragan, now you've got me wondering..
Was listening to Cosmic Son of a Gun just yesterday, love it man.
"I feel what the spirits feel".
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Post by swurveman on Aug 23, 2015 9:24:28 GMT -6
Nice song.
If the Music Gods came down from the heavens and permanently nuked music videos it would be a good day for me.
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Post by ragan on Aug 23, 2015 12:14:26 GMT -6
Any luck Ragan, now you've got me wondering.. Was listening to Cosmic Son of a Gun just yesterday, love it man. "I feel what the spirits feel". Thanks Martin. I haven't had luck finding exactly what the Dawes guy used but I've heard that type of pitch effect lots of times. It's a lot like the classic Magnatone vibrato but it's neither the fast nor slow Magnatone speed so I don't think it's that. I remember playing a DOD Vibrothang and getting that type of sound.
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Post by ragan on Aug 23, 2015 12:33:04 GMT -6
Just listened to a Vibrothang demo. Not what I'd remembered. That Line 6 Space Chorus is the best I've heard, demo wise. May have to try one.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 24, 2015 6:22:38 GMT -6
It is clearly a vibrato effect. Any chorus with a Dry/Wet knob can give you that if you can set it 100% wet.
Personally I'd go for a BBD based or similarly dark chorus. If not maybe the ZVex Instant Lo Fi? Depends how much you want to spend.
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Post by ragan on Aug 24, 2015 10:36:09 GMT -6
It is clearly a vibrato effect. Any chorus with a Dry/Wet knob can give you that if you can set it 100% wet. Personally I'd go for a BBD based or similarly dark chorus. If not maybe the ZVex Instant Lo Fi? Depends how much you want to spend. I haven't tried the couple choruses you mention but of the 5 or 6 I've used, they don't quite do that. They don't simply modulate the pitch, the always have a little of that comb filtery, underwater thing happening. I'll look into the two you suggested though. Maybe they operate differently than my choruses.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 24, 2015 10:46:38 GMT -6
An analog vibrato works by delaying the signal slightly and then modulate the delay to introduce the pitch changes. A chorus or flanger works exactly the same but feeds the signal back onto itself. No wet signal, no comb filtering. Some Chorus's unfortunately may not give you a 100% Wet output, but they should. My Memory Man fully wet can do it, but the minimum delay is so big (about 20 mS) that it's only usable to run a signal through after the fact. www.zvex.com/products/instant-lo-fi-junky
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Post by b1 on Sept 4, 2015 14:22:56 GMT -6
I guess this is the Dawes guy's signature sound:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 5, 2015 8:59:16 GMT -6
Looks like a Fender Hot Rod 40 and some big ass effect box I don't recognize. Maybe that's what he used Ragan.
One interesting thing I thought about last week, there's an alternate universe of pedals out there. I looked at the Sam Ash catalogue, and there were hundreds and hundreds of them. How can anyone figure out where a sound came from with that avalanche of tone changers? And how the heck can you make an informed decision, when there are say.. 60 different overdrives, each boutiquey one of them claiming to be the holy grail.
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 5, 2015 14:57:16 GMT -6
@martin John Butler - Build your own!
I kid, it's definitely a nightmare. I've cut my board down to a TU-3 > Big Muff > Crybaby Wah (Custom mods, it's a freak) > DIY Tyco Octavia > ProCo Rat II > ElecLady Flanger > Stereo Pulsar Trem > Deluxe Memory Boy.
I have a DIY Super Hard On, DIY Fuzz Face, MXR Blue Box and EHX Graphic Fuzz sitting in the drawer. The first 2 are great for classic rock, the 4th is a cool fuzz but the 24V rails means I'd need a 2nd adapter at gigs, Blue Box is just too weird for my already very weird rig - my other guitar player is currently using it sometimes.
There's 4 other fuzzes I'd easily get tomorrow if money was no object. But yes, the FX world is its own madness. You just gotta pursue what you hear others using, and try out conceptually interesting fuzzes (hearing yet another new EQ voicing for a Big Muff or a Tubescreamer does nothing for me, as much as some people will pay for them!).
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Post by lonzob on Sept 29, 2015 18:13:08 GMT -6
Anyone know what Vibrato effect this is on the left side? I love it and want to use it for a song. Amp? Pedal? It's definitely a proper vibrato/pitch based effect, not a standard volume based tremolo type thing. PS Stupid video, but good band. Boss Vibrato View Attachment
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Post by ragan on Sept 29, 2015 19:52:08 GMT -6
Anyone know what Vibrato effect this is on the left side? I love it and want to use it for a song. Amp? Pedal? It's definitely a proper vibrato/pitch based effect, not a standard volume based tremolo type thing. PS Stupid video, but good band. Boss Vibrato View AttachmentWhy did I not think to Google "Dawes Pedalboard". Well there you go as far as live is concerned. Could be the same thing on the record.
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Post by sean on Oct 16, 2015 23:30:18 GMT -6
It's a Boss VB-2.
Behringer makes a knock off that'll get you 90% there for 10% the cost.
Magnatone's have a great vibrato. Magnavibe pedal is pretty good but it's a little more dramatic and extreme than amps
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