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Post by mulmany on Aug 10, 2016 21:16:17 GMT -6
Cool, glad I could help.
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Post by popmann on Aug 15, 2016 9:54:36 GMT -6
I got some more....and wanted to drop another little bit of experience because this is a perfect example.
I put the 803 in all three preamp slots....terrible. Whatever "color" the preamp tubes have becomes exponential. In fact, if you want to hear what a tube sounds like? Do that. But, then I never end up with the same brand of tube in all 3 (or 4) or my preamps. The 803 is lower gain than a typical 83 and heavy on the low mid/high bass. So three of them and this amp went from a high gain monster rock amp to....a gainy but kinda farty "classic rock" amp. I imagine putting the KT77s back in with all the 803s would put it into "master volume'd Fender" territory quickly.
So, wonderful color to have at your disposal--sounds great in v1 which cascades the side (in this amp) for the majority of the top boosted preamp dirt....but, beyond that, it's "too much of that". So, I'll put the EHs back in the second and third(PI) slots.
Whenever I get a new amp, I go through this rolling different tubes into it to find the best combo. I point that out because this really isn't as big a of time suck as it is right now....and some circuits are FAR more sensitive than others. Boogies will like their tubes because what you need mostly there is the exact gain in each side they test for--they are super cheap Chinese tubes, but they are tested to not change the way the amp's complex gain structures and options interact.....it's the "simple" amps where this is all more a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 17:10:40 GMT -6
Addendum to the ECC803s from JJ... To my knowledge these are the 1:1 equivalents of the old Tesla E83CC which were the 1:1 equivalent of the Telefunken ECC803s. These are the "Spanngitterröhren" which were treated like the holy grail of 12ax7/ECC83 preamp or hifi tubes and go for astronomical prices NOS. Most noticable difference to conventional/"normal" 12ax7/ECC83 tubes might be that they are much less microphonic due to the frame grid (Spanngitter) construction. Microphonic behaviour was the weakest point with the ECC83, so this was a good step up. (They have also less noise and some other advantages over the conventional construction.) But they weren't even the first electrically ECC83 compatible frame grid tubes, the E283CC already existed before, although not pin compatible. Prices on these Telefunkens are esoteric, the JJ's are still made in the original Telefunken manufacturing process, that went to Tesla with the original Telefunken production line machines. Frame grid tubes must not be expensive, it was a very common production process even for very cheap mass production television tubes... So yes, i think the JJ ECC803s is worth beeing a tiny bit higher in pricing to standard ECC83/12ax7. Please don't ask me, what the guy smoked, who renamed them to "E83CC" at Tesla until they were renamed back to the original under JJ brand - it made no sense at all ... especially, since there was also a TFK E83CC which was a different tube!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 17:21:03 GMT -6
PS: Despite what i said about the construction of the frame grid tubes regarding less microphonics, the ECC803s is a long plate tube. So better bass and lo-mid behaviour comes with still being susceptible at least for excessive microphonics...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 21, 2016 19:10:29 GMT -6
For guitar amps, you want MORE microphonics!
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Post by popmann on Aug 22, 2016 8:49:51 GMT -6
Yeah you do, for classic amp circuits....until it's too much. So, for (modern levels of) high gain amps, you have to walk a fine, fine line....best to err on the non microphonic side.
One of the things I've noticed in this is that the "tested as new for LOW NOISE" Mullard that started this whole bit, is that it's got a microphonic resonance REALLY high up there....like, when I accidentally tap the metal chassis with the multimeter tip it "rings" with that metal on metal "ding"....so, it doesn't exhibit anything in terms of howling or typical "too microphonic" but it obviously has a particular bent towards those ultra high frequencies...which likely plays into it's appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:23:32 GMT -6
Sorry to re-juvanate an old thread - was researching for some tubes to upgrade some kit, and found this site.... insert code here Watford Valves
Cryo tubes? Don't know much about them. UK based but maybe similar available in the US too? Also do kit upgrades for different amps including vox and marshall They published a Test Report in 2012 also pretty comprehensive product wise although as always - subjective
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 23, 2016 13:24:22 GMT -6
For guitar amps, you want MORE microphonics! Not to the point of squealing, whistling, and obvious ringing...
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