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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2017 8:05:41 GMT -6
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Post by swurveman on Jul 21, 2017 8:21:09 GMT -6
Sounds fine to me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 21, 2017 8:24:51 GMT -6
I like the lead. The chords sound a bit lifeless to me though. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2017 10:00:36 GMT -6
Still not sure if I am happy with it.
Its a f..... DIVA.
Some guitars work very very very well with the Amp... others just suck.
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Post by popmann on Jul 21, 2017 14:38:56 GMT -6
It has the combination of a really sharp DI attack and a mushy overall sound with chords that says "modeler" to me. Modelers always work better on leads where there are less harmonic overtones to be wrong.IME. I don't know what a "DIVA" is....is that a DI of some sort?
I find it really hard to judge guitar tone without any context. I mean--if that were a SRV cover (your avatar) that would be a terrible tone. But, if it's to go with a mellow Rhodes electric piano in a jazzy small ensemble, that might be right on the nose, you know? Ultimately, it's the player....YOU....that has to be happy with tone of guitars/amp. What I think of a tone in isolation really doesn't matter a lot.
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Post by Ward on Jul 21, 2017 15:12:48 GMT -6
I would prefer something with more depth and 'chewiness' in the tone. Like a 70s Vox AC30. Oe a drip edge Fender Super Reverb, Or a Dr. Z Maz with a V30 12"and an H30 12"
A mtachless DC30 would also give you that.
What you have sounds pretty limp. And what you're playing deserves better. IMHO
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2017 19:24:23 GMT -6
Jupp some of my thoughts too.
I thought as well it sounds like one of the stupid plug ins I own.
It just does not feels right when I play its uhhh where is my tone ... who knows what is under the hood.
The pick noise jumped as well no matter what I did.
Maybe the thing is damged.
Its a Laney CUB 8 and it goes back to my retailer.
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Post by popmann on Jul 22, 2017 13:33:37 GMT -6
So, small watt.....single ended power ....single preamp tube....is what's "under the hood".
You can design an amp to sound good across more range of volume....you don't do that by making it lower wattage alone. You may incorporate some variance in the wattage as PART of that design....but....see how Marshall put the attenuator on their 1wt line? Because people expect low wattage to be low volume....and it's just not.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 22, 2017 16:16:42 GMT -6
So, small watt.....single ended power ....single preamp tube....is what's "under the hood". You can design an amp to sound good across more range of volume....you don't do that by making it lower wattage alone. You may incorporate some variance in the wattage as PART of that design....but....see how Marshall put the attenuator on their 1wt line? Because people expect low wattage to be low volume....and it's just not. My problem is I cant schleppter the big ones around anymore... disabeld left leg. Have two great sounding small watt amps but I want something that sounds more like one of the big Fenders... I love the dynamic range ... had a few ones over the years... Wahts about that Marshall one Watt thing.? |
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2017 20:51:31 GMT -6
Really good question, mrholmes! I could see a Marshall Class 5 giving you what you are wanting. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 23, 2017 15:30:12 GMT -6
Really good question, mrholmes ! I could see a Marshall Class 5 giving you what you are wanting. I should stop thinking that I need a new toy every two years. This is one of my favourites 5 Watt amp.... does it sound bad? I think NO? Why buying something new.... Sometiems I am scared of myself. soundcloud.com/andreasoberholz/lets-do-the-right-thing |
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Post by popmann on Jul 23, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -6
Marshall did 1wt versions of their classic amps....the JTM45.....JMP....JCM800...was their a Superlead? Anyway....little 1 watt heads that have built in attenuators to drop to like .3wt or something. They did it because people thought the Class5 wouldn't be tear your head off loud. It is. Again--low wattage? Isn't volume. It IS dynamic range and you literally can't do it with these little single ended things. Hauling weight? Get heads+cabs. This is like the best time EVER to be buying tube amps....so many wonderful designs--Bassbreaker15....head....lovely clean to dirty. Not expensive. Comes in two variations (speakers and finish) 1x12 combo, too--but, with issues carrying weight, head cab will always be lighter. If you need clean and ultra light--those ClassD Vox things that fit on your pedalboard but pump 50wts....amazing....dirt cheap, too....obviously, there are amazing boutique designs that beat these if you want ot get spendy, but I don't assume that. Then there's 50 years of used Fenders out htere used that I hear do a fine "Fender tone".  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 23, 2017 22:14:36 GMT -6
I've been playing a long long time. Y'know what I've found, the cabinet size means much more than people think it does. Take a great amp and put it in a smaller box, it sucks. All those cool looking little small wattage amps typically suck, although I guess there must be a few exceptions.
I used to have a Matchless 12" speaker cabinet with a THD amp head. That cabinet sounded as tight and fat as a Marshall stack. I also had the proprietary THD cabinet too, and the amp didn't sound as good.
Here's the truth, you really need a minimum of 18-21 watts to get all you can get from a guitar amp, with the possible exception of a Princeton Reverb, which sounds fine as it is, but even that classic amp sounds better in a bigger cabinet with slightly more power, (Louis Electric Columbia/Princetone).
Of course it's just my opinion, but start at the 18 Watt level and look up to the 30 watt level.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 24, 2017 4:54:21 GMT -6
I've been playing a long long time. Y'know what I've found, the cabinet size means much more than people think it does. Take a great amp and put it in a smaller box, it sucks. All those cool looking little small wattage amps typically suck, although I guess there must be a few exceptions. I used to have a Matchless 12" speaker cabinet with a THD amp head. That cabinet sounded as tight and fat as a Marshall stack. I also had the proprietary THD cabinet too, and the amp didn't sound as good. Here's the truth, you really need a minimum of 18-21 watts to get all you can get from a guitar amp, with the possible exception of a Princeton Reverb, which sounds fine as it is, but even that classic amp sounds better in a bigger cabinet with slightly more power, (Louis Electric Columbia/Princetone). Of course it's just my opinion, but start at the 18 Watt level and look up to the 30 watt level. Yes I can remeber that I read an interview and the Amp Designer said something like 20 Watts would be the ideal Amp. I still like some of the tones my 5 Watt brothers do, but I think I may watch out for the advises popmann gave me. Thanks good hint. EDIT: I think the Blues Junior III is a good compromise. Its just 30 pounds... I can handle this and it sounds not too bad. Will try this one in a local shop and if its anything near my expectations I will pick it up. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 24, 2017 7:24:32 GMT -6
The Blues Jr. is an ice pick, no mods can make that thing sound good, I don't know why. A buddy left his with me and I gave it back to him! If you like that, a Princeton 65' reissue would be much better. The tone on the track you posted was OK, but was a little flat, lacking a bit of shimmer and depth.
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Post by svart on Jul 24, 2017 12:07:25 GMT -6
Marshall did 1wt versions of their classic amps....the JTM45.....JMP....JCM800...was their a Superlead? Anyway....little 1 watt heads that have built in attenuators to drop to like .3wt or something. They did it because people thought the Class5 wouldn't be tear your head off loud. It is. Again--low wattage? Isn't volume. It IS dynamic range and you literally can't do it with these little single ended things. Hauling weight? Get heads+cabs. This is like the best time EVER to be buying tube amps....so many wonderful designs--Bassbreaker15....head....lovely clean to dirty. Not expensive. Comes in two variations (speakers and finish) 1x12 combo, too--but, with issues carrying weight, head cab will always be lighter. If you need clean and ultra light--those ClassD Vox things that fit on your pedalboard but pump 50wts....amazing....dirt cheap, too....obviously, there are amazing boutique designs that beat these if you want ot get spendy, but I don't assume that. Then there's 50 years of used Fenders out htere used that I hear do a fine "Fender tone". Hmm. I recorded a Bassbreaker 15 a while ago.. Ice pick. No settings I could change on the amp made it usable.. I liked the tone he had with the little amp. It would be much easier to mix with. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2017 8:07:58 GMT -6
I so wanted to like the Bassbreaker. I gave it a quick listen at Guitar Center when I was there selling my 5 Watt Bad Cat to them recently. At $500, it had the potential to be everything I needed including affordable. I want a classic Fender sound with a Fender reverb, and wouldn't mind just a little more breakup when pushed hard. The Bassbreaker seemed like it was trying to please metal players, and Fender's tone is just not suited for that kind of sound IMO.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 25, 2017 13:47:09 GMT -6
I so wanted to like the Bassbreaker. I gave it a quick listen at Guitar Center when I was there selling my 5 Watt Bad Cat to them recently. At $500, it had the potential to be everything I needed including affordable. I want a classic Fender sound with a Fender reverb, and wouldn't mind just a little more breakup when pushed hard. The Bassbreaker seemed like it was trying to please metal players, and Fender's tone is just not suited for that kind of sound IMO. If that video is no fake - it sounds good to me. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2017 15:08:54 GMT -6
That does sound OK, but when I was in front of it, there were six other Fenders, and it wasn't quite as good. Now, listen to this, and compare. Ignore the cheesy video, listen to the sound.. THIS is the deal. It's pricey, but references are always good to have, eve if you're looking for something less expensive.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 25, 2017 16:17:20 GMT -6
Do you think putting the amp on a stand helps the sound for recording?
I had a Fender Blues JR .... which I ended up hating!
I went to my local shop and tried a heap of amps and for my music and guitar style came home with a Fender Princeton Custom 68 re-issue.
I really love this amp - it suits everything about my playing and music and takes pedals brilliantly.
I'm recording it with an SM57 + ribbon mic sometimes a SDC or LDC + 57/ribbon.
I haven't bought a amp stand for it though - how does an amp stand effect the recorded sound?
Thanks
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2017 17:49:04 GMT -6
Yep, Princeton good, Blues jr. bad, unless you like your ear drums sliced.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2017 4:11:56 GMT -6
Yep, Princeton good, Blues jr. bad, unless you like your ear drums sliced. Hey Martin, I think you missed my question  What are your thoughts on putting my Princeton on an amp stand to record - do you think it's a worthwhile improvement? What is the difference using an amp stand? Thanks |
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Post by 79sg on Jul 26, 2017 5:38:55 GMT -6
Yep, Princeton good, Blues jr. bad, unless you like your ear drums sliced. Hey Martin, I think you missed my question What are your thoughts on putting my Princeton on an amp stand to record - do you think it's a worthwhile improvement? What is the difference using an amp stand? Thanks FWIW, I've used an Auralex GRAMMA to isolate my cabs from the floor for years and have found it to be a worthwhile purchase. As far as vs. putting your amp on a stand I cannot help since I don't use one in the studio. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2017 5:48:40 GMT -6
I have a floor isolation panel already for my amp.
Oddly though I've never tried an amp stand to record and just wondered what the difference might be without having to buy one.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 26, 2017 8:09:43 GMT -6
Hightenor, Ive never been big on amp stands, but wouldn't argue with someone who likes them. Some amps I've used had wheels, and that was cool, but it wasn't a big deal either way.
The obvious thing is the amp will excite the floor along with the room, and decoupling the amp somewhat will make it a little cleaner. But you may not necessarily like that. The slight oomph with an amp on the floor might be a significant part of your sound. Personally, I like wheels on the bottom. It doesn't change the sound much, but it's a pinch clearer.
The way I've always seen amp stands used was for live applications with a lot of musicians playing, and the guitarist can't hear their parts very well, so pointing it up at their ears helps a little.
I think it's a matter of preference, not a good or bad thing. I'm sure you can find something to prop up your amp and test if you like it that way. I do like the amp on wheels. I prop up amps if I can when I'm in a rehearsal studio with thick rugs on the floor and heavy insulation everywhere, it's a little dull on the floor in those kinds of situations.
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