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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 12:21:17 GMT -6
Man, I went out on a limb and bought when I should have saved the money...and it was totally worth it. I’ve been super busy mixing, so I hadn’t had a chance to really use it building some tracks...but yesterday I mocked up an idea I was starting...and the way it sits in the mix is amazing. Like real amps. Seems like I was always futzing around with the Kemper trying to get guitars to sound right/non-plasticky. This doesn’t have that issue. I know I could go look this up, but can you pipe the signal out of the unit "pre-cabinet" and go into a power amp and simulate a real amp if I wanted to play i loud? Sir, this is a Wendy's.... Uh...I honestly don't know...That's above my knowledge level. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 12:22:01 GMT -6
I know I could go look this up, but can you pipe the signal out of the unit "pre-cabinet" and go into a power amp and simulate a real amp if I wanted to play i loud? Sir, this is a Wendy's.... Uh...I honestly don't know...That's above my knowledge level. Actually, re-reading, yes I'm pretty sure you can do that. |
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Post by mikec on Dec 16, 2019 12:29:11 GMT -6
You can run it through something like a Matrix power amp or the new Fryette LXII and into a standard cabinet, or pretty much any power amp for that matter. You can also run it direct into the return on your tube amp and out through your speaker cab of choice. It also sounds great just run into something like a QSC K12.2 or 10.2 or other like them. In addition to the great sound the thing is so flexible with all of its I/O. There is also a 4 cable method that lets you run your standard tube amp and use the AXE for just it's effects if that is all you want.
If you like the amp in the room sound when you are recording, you can run output one direct to your interface for direct recording and run output two to your preferred amp and cabinet or into a FRFR powered speaker and adjust the outputs independently.
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Post by dmo on Dec 16, 2019 12:43:07 GMT -6
how loud do you want to go? I ran my Axe II live with 2 Atomic CLR monitors and could keep up with others playing Marshall half stacks onstage when needed, so you can get pretty loud with most of the usual small PA, monitor suspects. But if you want that 4x12 "air" - you just run it into power amp/cab of choice with cabinet Settings/IR set to off
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Post by dmo on Dec 16, 2019 12:50:08 GMT -6
FYI - if you look close at the Deep Purple medley video kcat posted in the Off Topic section, the guitar player has an Axe II behind him (can see the MFC 101 foot controller on the floor). He also has a stack behind him, couldn't tell from the video if it was all Axe or for tones or set up just for effects (4 cable method)
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 16, 2019 13:30:06 GMT -6
Yeah I hope my first three hour pentatonic fantasy examples don’t give a bad example of what this thing is. There’s really not a tone you can’t get out of this with all the tweakability. My question was if the raw amp tones were convincing and my goodness they are. I downloaded a blackface fender Leon Todd preset last night. A Princeton, Super, Tweed and Vibrolux. Holy shit. There they are right there. He’s got the quintessential sounds dialed in. Seriously could just stick with that. Do these extra "amps" cost money? |
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2019 13:33:50 GMT -6
Yeah I hope my first three hour pentatonic fantasy examples don’t give a bad example of what this thing is. There’s really not a tone you can’t get out of this with all the tweakability. My question was if the raw amp tones were convincing and my goodness they are. I downloaded a blackface fender Leon Todd preset last night. A Princeton, Super, Tweed and Vibrolux. Holy shit. There they are right there. He’s got the quintessential sounds dialed in. Seriously could just stick with that. Do these extra "amps" cost money? Some do, some don't. Depends on where you get them and what you're looking for. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 16, 2019 14:43:21 GMT -6
Really making me want more guitars  You guys really need to talk me down from this. I was only casually interested, now I'm plotting the optimal way to sell my amps to recoup cost.. My advice, from personal experience, is don't sell an amp to buy a fractal product. They are great at what they do but an amp will hold its value. Digital comes and goes with popular opinion. The Kemper seems to have stuck around with out an update for a decent amount of time. I can't say the same about Fractal products. And every release sounds just like a real amp! I will buy a FM3. But only for live use and silent recording. I won't be selling any amps to fund it as i know my amps will be around long after the FM3 is obsolete. |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 16, 2019 14:43:56 GMT -6
You guys are NOT helping my GAS.
Glad this is working for people. Might have to take the plunge. Very spendy given our Canuck buck, but no more than the Swart I am eyeing.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2019 14:51:25 GMT -6
You guys really need to talk me down from this. I was only casually interested, now I'm plotting the optimal way to sell my amps to recoup cost.. My advice, from personal experience, is don't sell an amp to buy a fractal product. They are great at what they do but an amp will hold its value. Digital comes and goes with popular opinion. The Kemper seems to have stuck around with out an update for a decent amount of time. I can't say the same about Fractal products. And every release sounds just like a real amp! I will buy a FM3. But only for live use and silent recording. I won't be selling any amps to fund it as i know my amps will be around long after the FM3 is obsolete. I hear you. I have a few clones and a few amps I've repaired. I don't think I have much in the way of collector's items at all. The closest to a collector's amp is my Silvertone since it's so rare. The rest would probably only break even selling them. We'll see how it works out. I might be able to get the cash together before the sale ends and I can at least try it in comparison to the real amps before I go selling anything else. |
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Axe FX III
Dec 16, 2019 15:50:49 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 15:50:49 GMT -6
Yeah I hope my first three hour pentatonic fantasy examples don’t give a bad example of what this thing is. There’s really not a tone you can’t get out of this with all the tweakability. My question was if the raw amp tones were convincing and my goodness they are. I downloaded a blackface fender Leon Todd preset last night. A Princeton, Super, Tweed and Vibrolux. Holy shit. There they are right there. He’s got the quintessential sounds dialed in. Seriously could just stick with that. Do these extra "amps" cost money? No |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 15:52:47 GMT -6
You guys really need to talk me down from this. I was only casually interested, now I'm plotting the optimal way to sell my amps to recoup cost.. My advice, from personal experience, is don't sell an amp to buy a fractal product. They are great at what they do but an amp will hold its value. Digital comes and goes with popular opinion. The Kemper seems to have stuck around with out an update for a decent amount of time. I can't say the same about Fractal products. And every release sounds just like a real amp! I will buy a FM3. But only for live use and silent recording. I won't be selling any amps to fund it as i know my amps will be around long after the FM3 is obsolete. I’m sure there will be those that will always poo poo it. Oh well, they’re missing out. |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 16, 2019 16:10:19 GMT -6
Do they have models for things like early Gibson’s, NationalValco/Supro, modern boo-teak stuff like Swart, Carr etc.
I suppose it might be easier to ask if there’s a master list of all the amps it purports to do?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by mikec on Dec 16, 2019 16:33:33 GMT -6
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 16, 2019 16:49:19 GMT -6
A lotta high gain heads. Looks like one Swart, one Carr and one Supro in the combos. I’d personally like to see some more funky things like Valcos in there and tweed era Gibson’s which I often prefer to its most closely related Fender. How about Magnatone with the stereo vibrato?
Seems like Kemper has a lot more amp variety at the moment, just given that graphic. But it sounds like more stuff is getting added all the time.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2019 17:23:24 GMT -6
Ok, so pray for me, I just took the plunge.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 16, 2019 17:25:05 GMT -6
My advice, from personal experience, is don't sell an amp to buy a fractal product. They are great at what they do but an amp will hold its value. Digital comes and goes with popular opinion. The Kemper seems to have stuck around with out an update for a decent amount of time. I can't say the same about Fractal products. And every release sounds just like a real amp! I will buy a FM3. But only for live use and silent recording. I won't be selling any amps to fund it as i know my amps will be around long after the FM3 is obsolete. I’m sure there will be those that will always poo poo it. Oh well, they’re missing out. I'm not poo pooing it. I got on the fractal train at Axefx 1 standard and been off and on since then. The FM3 looks fantastic and i'll buy it when they release it. I'm just saying in 10 years your amps will still be relevant current digital units will not. |
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Axe FX III
Dec 16, 2019 21:20:05 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by indiehouse on Dec 16, 2019 21:20:05 GMT -6
What is the FM3 lacking compared with the FX3?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 23:32:17 GMT -6
I’m sure there will be those that will always poo poo it. Oh well, they’re missing out. I'm not poo pooing it. I got on the fractal train at Axefx 1 standard and been off and on since then. The FM3 looks fantastic and i'll buy it when they release it. I'm just saying in 10 years your amps will still be relevant current digital units will not. I don’t doubt the tried and true method of miking a Carr, Dumble or Matchless is the better option - but it allows someone like me to have access to a multitude of tones that I would A) never be able to afford and B) never be able to mic up as well. And yes, I agree - digital is always a bad investment...unless it makes you money. Have you tried the III? I’ve wondered what the difference in this and the previous models have been. As I understand it, it’s really come a long way and is kind of peaking right now with some of the new modeling techniques...but I don’t know. I know I am completely gobsmacked by it. |
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Axe FX III
Dec 16, 2019 23:34:04 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2019 23:34:04 GMT -6
What is the FM3 lacking compared with the FX3? It’s the floor unit that has a waiting list. From my understanding it’s processing power that is the difference...which i assume might limit the amount of pedals/effects? About $1000. |
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2019 6:49:28 GMT -6
I'm not poo pooing it. I got on the fractal train at Axefx 1 standard and been off and on since then. The FM3 looks fantastic and i'll buy it when they release it. I'm just saying in 10 years your amps will still be relevant current digital units will not. I don’t doubt the tried and true method of miking a Carr, Dumble or Matchless is the better option - but it allows someone like me to have access to a multitude of tones that I would A) never be able to afford and B) never be able to mic up as well. And yes, I agree - digital is always a bad investment...unless it makes you money. Have you tried the III? I’ve wondered what the difference in this and the previous models have been. As I understand it, it’s really come a long way and is kind of peaking right now with some of the new modeling techniques...but I don’t know. I know I am completely gobsmacked by it. Besides being a cool tool for the next generation and a nifty gadget for my GAS, I'm looking to save time getting tones. I'm not a guitarist. I try, but I just don't "get" it overall. That also follows to the miking up of amps. I've spent the predominant amount of time in the studio trying to get decent guitar tones out of amps and mics and I still struggle. With this device, I'm looking to save time by having all that at my fingertips and by being able to analyze other's works by downloading them and trying them out in mixes. To me, a couple grand is worth years of trying amps and moving mics and hoping the guitarist doesn't change their mind after we track.. I can just dial up something different and analyze different setups in minutes, not hours and days. |
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 17, 2019 8:45:50 GMT -6
I don’t doubt the tried and true method of miking a Carr, Dumble or Matchless is the better option - but it allows someone like me to have access to a multitude of tones that I would A) never be able to afford and B) never be able to mic up as well. And yes, I agree - digital is always a bad investment...unless it makes you money. Have you tried the III? I’ve wondered what the difference in this and the previous models have been. As I understand it, it’s really come a long way and is kind of peaking right now with some of the new modeling techniques...but I don’t know. I know I am completely gobsmacked by it. Besides being a cool tool for the next generation and a nifty gadget for my GAS, I'm looking to save time getting tones. I'm not a guitarist. I try, but I just don't "get" it overall. That also follows to the miking up of amps. I've spent the predominant amount of time in the studio trying to get decent guitar tones out of amps and mics and I still struggle. With this device, I'm looking to save time by having all that at my fingertips and by being able to analyze other's works by downloading them and trying them out in mixes. To me, a couple grand is worth years of trying amps and moving mics and hoping the guitarist doesn't change their mind after we track.. I can just dial up something different and analyze different setups in minutes, not hours and days. Have you tried the Kemper? |
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2019 10:43:53 GMT -6
Besides being a cool tool for the next generation and a nifty gadget for my GAS, I'm looking to save time getting tones. I'm not a guitarist. I try, but I just don't "get" it overall. That also follows to the miking up of amps. I've spent the predominant amount of time in the studio trying to get decent guitar tones out of amps and mics and I still struggle. With this device, I'm looking to save time by having all that at my fingertips and by being able to analyze other's works by downloading them and trying them out in mixes. To me, a couple grand is worth years of trying amps and moving mics and hoping the guitarist doesn't change their mind after we track.. I can just dial up something different and analyze different setups in minutes, not hours and days. Have you tried the Kemper? I've played with one, but I've listened to tons of work done with them. They sound pretty fine to me, although a lot of the high gain stuff that I'd use a sim for is a bit off sounding. I think the axe sound better for high gain by far. |
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2019 14:21:14 GMT -6
I should get my Axe3 thursday apparently. Anyway, searching for stuff to download I came across Ola Englund's review of the Axe3 and he said "Shit on my face this sounds incredible", which is probably the best opinion I've ever heard. LOL.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 17, 2019 14:58:24 GMT -6
Yeah Olas recent review is pretty good. Kemper is great for high gain. That is primarily where is used it. That said I think the Axefx 3 is a lot more flexible overall.
John - No I haven't had the opportunity to try the AF3 yet. I don't know anyone who has one in NZ. Point taken, if your making money from it its a no brainer. I'll buy the FM3 when its available but I can't get on the waiting list in my country unfortunately. I did sell my Kemper with the idea of funding the FM3. Axefx is $4k over here and I need something more portable.
Svart - I recently picked up NeuralDSP Archetype Nolly. It is absolutely amazing, best rock/metal plugin hands down. I wish it came in a hardware unit as I prefer to track OTB.
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