Michael Jackson is a Piece of Shit

Hate to quote the man but “both sides,both sides.”
The problem is we have a system that has become centered on the political battles not solving the problems. Both sides are driven by the money of the 1% ( I’ll admit last time I checked my household falls in the 2%) not the majority. Everybody rushes to defend their rich bad guys till they find out they are true scum.
Hell Bernie had to fly on chartered jets.

Just watched first half, just confirmed my suspicions all along, and in that case, I wholeheartedly agree with the title of this thread. May he rot in hell, and indeed it will make me consider not playing his music in my home or studio ever again.

Yeah...poor kid learned it from somewhere.

I knew someone who in the late 90's worked at a big studio that MJ would occasionally record at. Apparently they'd build a full garage around the back of the building and full-height dividers down the hallways so that MJ could come in and walk down the hallways separate from everyone else and would never "be bothered" by people working there. Supposedly they worked extremely odd hours for MJ sessions and nobody ever knew when/if MJ was around.

The story I heard goes that one of the people who worked in the studio needed to get something from an area of the studio that was off-limits due to the MJ lockout but they decided that they didn't think a session was happening at that time of day/night. This person decided to sneak through the dividers and accidentally walked in on someone doing vocals in one of the B/C studios. The story also goes that this person was singing exactly like MJ, but was not MJ.

The rest of the story is supposedly that this employee had gotten in huge trouble and was made to sign a non-disclosure agreement about the incident, but the explanation was that the singer was just "warming up" to do background vocals.

Completely hearsay though.

Lots of hearsay over the years that supposedly the later albums were effectively manufactured by the producers and that MJ had very little to do with writing or singing on them because he was so doped up and/or mentally ill.

I told this story because I think it's interesting and deplorable that his (alleged) lifestyle was probably catered to by his handlers, and his misdeeds also hidden so that others could capitalize on his name for as long as possible.  

But he also had sec with young children. Which was not cool.

Humans are fundamentally ignorant. It takes a ton of time and work not to be. It's a lifetime struggle.

I agree that many of the "same people" (hope that's not racist) that believed Smollett are the ones that don't believe or accept these assertions about Jackson. But at the same time I ABSOLUTELY see this same behavior in acquaintances of mine who completely stick their head in the sand regarding Donald Trump. A guy who has displayed really, really bad personal behavior on the record that might not include outright pedophilia but definitely includes victimizing younger women. Everything from grabbing their private parts, to walking into young contestants dressing rooms, to pinning other young women against walls and feeling them up etc. For some reason, no matter how reprehensible his personal behavior is "his fans" and some of his voters make all sorts of excuses and rationalizations for it.

My point is that this sort of refusal to accept facts and upsetting news about our celebrities happens throughout society.

I have to revisit this because my last comment was about as negative as could be, and it just doesn’t sit well with me. I can’t help to love the art he made. His skill and mastery is timeless, and even more tragic knowing there was an internal battle of good versus evil, mental illness and his outward character of extreme generosity and goodwill was probably an attempt to make amends for his sick acts. I’ve decided I have to separate the art from evil, mainly because if I didn’t, I’d be forced to hate the advancements Germany made in microphones and recording. So I’d have to say the invention of biasing tape was at the benefit from being evil, and the same can be said for Neumann and Studer products. Without evil would they exist? Without MJ being abused, even if just by being forced to be a young superstar, the art wouldn’t exist. If MJ didn’t do evil things in private, he would have been a damn near angel on earth. He never talked shit about anyone in public, only forgave people, probably because he knew he needed forgiveness. Just a sad situation. Still unforgivable, but what great art the teams made, so that’s what I’ll remember. I’ll try to listen to early MJ, pre BAD era.. and just tell myself he wasn’t a nutball yet.





..edit: here’s a better old recording sopposedly direct from tape no processing:

Ya James Jamerson...... holy hell.

Bob O. brought up a very important point on the topic.
Child abuse starts *in the family*, in the direct environment, by someone the children *have to* trust to survive, in the absolute majority of cases, and then can lead to an avalanche of abuse and/of violence. I guess it is a mere american phenomenon that people fear the rapist, the child abuser, the kidnapper as a stranger that is somewhere out there. This is by far the smallest percentage of cases.
Best everyone can do, is stopping circles of abuse and violence against kids. Early. The year I was born, around 70% of the adults saw beating children as a probate tool of education. Although in my country children have the right of beeing raised without physical or psychical violence, and there has been an explicit law installed in 2000, that banned violence in education and makes perfectly clear, that no kind of violence against kids is legal, I still can hear these mindless sentences like "One slap did not do harm to anyone ever". Which is perfect BS. It does. Physically and psychically. If everyone would speak out clearly when he sees violence against children, the world would be a much better place. This is not a private thing, it is in everyones interest.
Keeping children strong, letting them be clear about what they want to do and what they don't, raising them to self-confident and self-conscious human beeings that are allowed to say "no" if they do not want something, is by far the best thing everyone can do against child abuse.
That's my 2 cent on the topic.

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