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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2024 6:40:54 GMT -6
And can someone explain the what the fatso was designed for? Notice its $39 right now.
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Post by bgrotto on May 6, 2024 7:34:52 GMT -6
Great piece of hardware. Plugin is pretty “meh”
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Post by ragan on May 6, 2024 8:09:14 GMT -6
I used to really dig the plug-in. Is it native?
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Post by drumsound on May 6, 2024 10:25:32 GMT -6
And can someone explain the what the fatso was designed for? Notice its $39 right now. I believe initially the hardware was meant to smooth things out in a pleasing way, with tape similarities. I had a long talk with Jay at Mercenary back in the day, as I was starting to experiment with mix bus processing. He ended up steering me to a Drawmer 1969, because I was often tracking to tape and even if tracking digitally, was mixing to 1/4". He though the Fatso would be redundant and not do what I was looking for.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 6, 2024 10:50:52 GMT -6
Pick a track part, that you think you would like dirtier/edgier, through on fatso and play with its distortions.
For $39, I’d say it’s a good tool to have, not for everything, but once you get a feel for it, bet you will reach for it regularly.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 6, 2024 10:54:25 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on May 7, 2024 0:18:33 GMT -6
I use it as one of my parallel drum bus enhancers to blend in some weight and thickness. It's a compressor that adds a bit of saturation similar to what tape adds.
I say it's nice, but there are certainly a TON of other options these days that are probably more straightforward in how you use it and knowing what you're getting. I'm sure I have a dozen other things to choose from right now. But I have a setting in my template that I know what it does, so I keep it in there. I really wish UAD would make it native.
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Post by vvvooojjj on May 7, 2024 0:25:04 GMT -6
I have it but haven't used it for a long time. It eats quite a bit of air but if remember correctly it has a really solid phantom center. Should give it try again.
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Post by Quint on May 7, 2024 5:24:51 GMT -6
I use it as one of my parallel drum bus enhancers to blend in some weight and thickness. It's a compressor that adds a bit of saturation similar to what tape adds. I say it's nice, but there are certainly a TON of other options these days that are probably more straightforward in how you use it and knowing what you're getting. I'm sure I have a dozen other things to choose from right now. But I have a setting in my template that I know what it does, so I keep it in there. I really wish UAD would make it native. Doubt we'll ever see it native. UA has announced that they are slowing down on native ports of existing DSP plugins because the "heavy lifting" is mostly done and they've already ported most of the most heavily used plugins in the DSP catalog.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2024 5:48:00 GMT -6
That’s interesting, so in a way it is backing away from its subscription plan so it will not include all plug ins, forcing people to keep on buying old design sharc chip devices, if they want more ua plug ins.
wonder when there will be a new Apollo or new satellites, cards with chips with higher processing capacity?
“The SHARC processor portfolio currently consists of four generations of products providing code-compatible solutions ranging from entry-level products priced at less than $10 to the highest performance products offering fixed- and floating-point computational power to 450 MHz/2700 MFLOPs.”
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Post by Quint on May 7, 2024 6:09:39 GMT -6
That’s interesting, so in a way it is backing away from its subscription plan so it will not include all plug ins, forcing people to keep on buying old design sharc chip devices, if they want more ua plug ins. wonder when there will be a new Apollo or new satellites, cards with chips with higher processing capacity? “The SHARC processor portfolio currently consists of four generations of products providing code-compatible solutions ranging from entry-level products priced at less than $10 to the highest performance products offering fixed- and floating-point computational power to 450 MHz/2700 MFLOPs.” Well they were never gonna port the 3rd party stuff, and that's like half the catalog or something. Which leaves about a 100 or so DSP plugins that UA directly developed, 50 or so of which have already been ported to native. I guess UA sees the remaining ~50 as less important to port, because they get used less. Also, there a significant number of those remaining plugins that are either pretty old, are plugins like those in the Precision line (and therefore not in high demand to be ported), or are otherwise stunted by licensing issues, such as what is going on with thr Neve and SSL stuff. So, realistically, there's probably a fairly short list (<20) of UA developed plugins that remain which are both desirable for UA to port and which they actually even have the ability to port. Hence the slowdown. Sounds like we'll maybe see a trickle trickle of a DSP port to native every few months, at best, going forward and, even then, there just isn't that much worthwhile and available low hanging fruit left for UA to port. If you want access to the full library, DSP will continue to be the only way to go. That said, I do think a new Apollo has to be around the corner. We'll see if UA finally upgrades the chips to ARM or something. If they release a new Apollo without an upgraded FPGA and DSP chips, I'm gonna have to really think about my continued investment in UA. I mean, I already am, but that might be another nail in the coffin.
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Post by Dan on May 7, 2024 6:26:57 GMT -6
I have it but haven't used it for a long time. It eats quite a bit of air but if remember correctly it has a really solid phantom center. Should give it try again. the warmth is a dynamic high shelf similar to a high frequency limiter. It can really mangle something like the tdr and maselec ones. Will take the top end off so you better crank high shelves into it.
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Post by Dan on May 7, 2024 6:28:40 GMT -6
Great piece of hardware. Plugin is pretty “meh” this 100%. The real one is better sounding than a distressor
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2024 6:44:39 GMT -6
“ If you want access to the full library, DSP will continue to be the only way to go. That said, I do think a new Apollo has to be around the corner. We'll see if UA finally upgrades the chips to ARM or something. If they release a new Apollo without an upgraded FPGA and DSP chips, I'm gonna have to really think about my continued investment in UA. I mean, I already am, but that might be another nail in the coffin.”
I agree with all your points and never thought UA would port all plugs ins, for the reasons you stated.
The next gen Apollo will be a real harbinger of whether UA is at all serious about addressing the chip performance/ price inequalities inherent in its platform.
The current ua environment works for those who value its workflow, but there are definitely other games in town, we’ll see whether UA steps up its processing/price game.
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Post by Quint on May 7, 2024 6:51:38 GMT -6
“ If you want access to the full library, DSP will continue to be the only way to go. That said, I do think a new Apollo has to be around the corner. We'll see if UA finally upgrades the chips to ARM or something. If they release a new Apollo without an upgraded FPGA and DSP chips, I'm gonna have to really think about my continued investment in UA. I mean, I already am, but that might be another nail in the coffin.” I agree with all your points and never thought UA would port all plugs ins, for the reasons you stated. The next gen Apollo will be a real harbinger of whether UA is at all serious about addressing the chip performance/ price inequalities inherent in its platform. The current ua environment works for those who value its workflow, but there are definitely other games in town, we’ll see whether UA steps up its processing/price game. The workflow is the only thing that keeps me around. But even the workflow isn't without it's problems. The limited routing on the Apollos is kinda shit. It's the number one thing I want to see improved in the next gen Apollo, even more than the DSP chips. The current FPGA is a real bottleneck for routing. But some more higher powered DSP would be welcome too.
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Post by hey212 on May 7, 2024 8:57:16 GMT -6
I wish the plugin, and the hardware for that matter, had the EL-FTC mod built in, makes the unit infinitely more useful. Kush has a V2 of their fatso plugin on the way, which similarly allows independent control of compression and saturation, so that's worth keeping an eye out for.
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Post by dvdpaulin on May 7, 2024 11:13:58 GMT -6
I wish the plugin, and the hardware for that matter, had the EL-FTC mod built in, makes the unit infinitely more useful. Kush has a V2 of their fatso plugin on the way, which similarly allows independent control of compression and saturation, so that's worth keeping an eye out for. I just built a few of those controllers for the ones we have cause we needed them to be rack mounted since there was no convenient place to put the box that EL makes. And I made 3 of them for about what theirs costs. The folks at EL were nice enough to sell me their knobs so it would look pro and make it easier to identify what it’s for, so kudos to them for being cool about it! The controller is very helpful, lets you have some control over compression vs saturation. I added a switchable 150hz high pass filer to it as well!
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Post by hey212 on May 7, 2024 12:50:19 GMT -6
Nice! For three sets of controls I'd rather have them rack mountable for sure. Sidechain HPF sounds super useful too.
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Post by ericn on May 7, 2024 17:06:25 GMT -6
It like so many tape substitutes wows at first, but after a while you realize it’s just saturation and distortion. You put it next to the Ampex and realize it’s not really the sound of tape.
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Post by copperx on May 7, 2024 17:09:13 GMT -6
Great piece of hardware. Plugin is pretty “meh” this 100%. The real one is better sounding than a distressor
Cool! Is it cleaner or dirtier than a Distressor? or just fatter?
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Post by kbb on May 8, 2024 0:02:05 GMT -6
Had the hardware years ago and it was great on a drum bus, elec guitars maybe. The plugin isn't as smooth or dense IMO and as result it just ends up sounding ham-fisted and gritty to me. Even at $39, no thanks. The UAD Distressor, on the other hand, is fantastic IMO (if you like distressors).
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Post by Dan on May 8, 2024 9:36:37 GMT -6
this 100%. The real one is better sounding than a distressor
Cool! Is it cleaner or dirtier than a Distressor? or just fatter?
it’s totally different and way less flexible but I like the sound better ymmv I’m itb now
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Post by mjheck on May 9, 2024 16:30:04 GMT -6
I love it as my parallel compression go to. You get the squish while also being able to darken it down a little so it adds the thump without anything pointy coming through.
JMH
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Post by nicksteinborn on May 10, 2024 2:30:15 GMT -6
I'll probably only grab this if they ever update it to native or at least a newer version with a resizable GUI. I tried to demo it some months back and the plugin window was teeny tiny on my 1440p monitor. Is this thing made for ants?
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Post by Quint on May 10, 2024 6:44:26 GMT -6
I'll probably only grab this if they ever update it to native or at least a newer version with a resizable GUI. I tried to demo it some months back and the plugin window was teeny tiny on my 1440p monitor. Is this thing made for ants? UA finally made resizable GUIs a reality in April. Took forever, like everything else they do, but it did finally happen last month. MacOS only though...
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