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Post by mobeach on Mar 5, 2014 18:21:26 GMT -6
I'm starting to work on an original song using my Epiphone Nighthawk Special 3 using the single coil center pickup, to get that Nashville tone similar to the electric guitar tone in George Straits "give it all we got tonight" is that simple tube saturation with a Tele going into the amp clean? Do you Nashville guys use anything special to get that low growly twang? I only have solid state guitar amps.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 5, 2014 19:07:09 GMT -6
Tele and either Matchless or Tweed Deluxe. Broadcaster pickups in the tele if you can. There she be.
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Post by svart on Mar 6, 2014 7:54:43 GMT -6
Actually, I went to listen and one guitar is a straight acoustic, one sounds like an acoustic through an amp, with a vibrato of some kind on it. Another one sounds like a strat through a small fender, and there is also a lapsteel..
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 6, 2014 8:22:38 GMT -6
I'm positive that's a telecaster going through a bright channel.... they just have it really really bright.
Mobeach: Look up Wampler Tweed pedals. If you're looking for that sound if you can get either a tele or a strat and that pedal it'll get you in the ballpark. They may be even eq'ing that guitar with some top end before it his the amp, it's really bright. I would almost hate to assume this, but it could be possible that they are going direct with an emulation of that style amp, it almost has that type of tone to it. The Wampler pedal will let your amp give off that same feeling though. And if you can grab a Tele or a Stat that should get you close enough. Then you need a slow tremo.
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Post by svart on Mar 6, 2014 9:27:53 GMT -6
So which guitar is the OP talking about? there are at least 3 guitars throughout this song.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 6, 2014 11:12:56 GMT -6
So which guitar is the OP talking about? there are at least 3 guitars throughout this song. The electric, lower register single notes, no chords.
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Post by henge on Mar 6, 2014 11:21:40 GMT -6
I'm not sure a Strat will get you closer than a Tele! The attack sounds like pure Tele to me...
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Post by svart on Mar 6, 2014 12:24:55 GMT -6
Like this? at 56 seconds:
That *really* sounds like an electric acoustic with some kind of tremelo on it. I've done similar things. Doesn't sound much like the tele's and strats I've recorded lately..
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Post by mobeach on Mar 6, 2014 14:11:57 GMT -6
Yeah that's it, it's more prominent between 2:40 and 2:50
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Post by mobeach on Mar 6, 2014 14:14:12 GMT -6
I'm not sure a Strat will get you closer than a Tele! The attack sounds like pure Tele to me... In the live version of Green grass and high tides Hughie Thomasson got a similar tone with his Strat.
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Post by henge on Mar 6, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -6
I'm just being a shmuck! A strat could get that tone no problem. Pick back at the bridge maybe. But as svart says it could be an electric acoustic with some kind of tremelo on it. Piezos can have a bright attack. I'm going to try using a piezo to get that tone. Great idea.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 6, 2014 18:46:15 GMT -6
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 7, 2014 23:51:44 GMT -6
I've recorded many of them up here my friend, I'm here in Nashville for the weekend actually. But what I can tell you is the process for most guys is really really simple. Normally I'll let the player go in and put the mics on his cabinet, I'll get a listen, if something doesn't sound quite right I'll have someone adjust in increments of 1/2" which mic depends on if it should be brighter or more mellow, but usually 80% of the time that doesn't happen. The position for the mics is always a 57 just to the right of the center cone, like where the woofer and cap meet, and then a Royer 121 or a Cascade Fathead will be on the edge of the woofer, both mics the same exact distance from the grill.
Most of the time like I said, it's Tweed Deluxes or Matchless. The guitar you're talking about to me, sounds like a tele. I don't think it's a piezo acoustic or anything like that. Now, like I said earlier, there is something different about the tone. To me it's a little too bright, sounds kind of scooped almost. Either they used something like Amplitube, or whoever mixed it scooped and put a ton of 8k on that guitar.
If you're looking for that general sound, but better, go with the Deluxe (or the Wampler Tweed Pedal through a nice clean tube amp) and a Telecaster mic'd up like I described. Don't put much heat on it and it'll have that nice snap and twang. If you really wanna go crazy put Mojotone Broadcaster pickups in the tele, those pickups are just a beautiful combination of all the classic and modern tele sounds bunched into one pickup, I love them.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 8, 2014 10:03:36 GMT -6
Good post, thanks!
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -6
As mobeach says, at around 2:40 in the video the guitar in question pops out with an almost piano-like clarity and vibe going. Sounds like a gentle trem or other modulation effect is on it as well. Maybe recorded rather loud, too, to capture that fatness that seems to increase with volume.
Even though I don't write in this style, this sound is a must-have IMHO. Thanks to everybody for the advice.
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Post by bobbritt on Mar 12, 2014 8:26:49 GMT -6
Jerry Jones baritone, tremolo.
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2014 12:38:51 GMT -6
Jerry Jones baritone, tremolo. Hmm, so the piano-like tone originates from the longer scale, heavier strings and B-to-B (or similar) tuning. Awesome. Now I have something else on my want list: Fender Blacktop TeleMan, it never ends!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 12, 2014 19:05:36 GMT -6
mobeach, that's a TELE. There's also some kind of subtle vibrato sound. I'd almost bet jeromemason right, it sure sounds direct to me, or some hybrid amp/direct mix. If you want that sound, get a Tele with 11's on it, play near the bridge, try the middle pickup or the treble pickup, get a Fender amp with tubes, tun up the reverb and a pinch of vibrato to taste, and after that, it's all in the hands.
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Post by bobbritt on Mar 13, 2014 18:50:55 GMT -6
mobeach, that's a TELE. There's also some kind of subtle vibrato sound. I'd almost bet jeromemason right, it sure sounds direct to me, or some hybrid amp/direct mix. If you want that sound, get a Tele with 11's on it, play near the bridge, try the middle pickup or the treble pickup, get a Fender amp with tubes, tun up the reverb and a pinch of vibrato to taste, and after that, it's all in the hands. Not a Tele... that's a Baritone. If not a Jerry Jones, it's an original Danelectro. "some kind of subtle vibrato sound"... that's called tremolo.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 13, 2014 19:29:28 GMT -6
Could be a Baritone Tele
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 13, 2014 21:02:34 GMT -6
Bobbritt, " that's called tremolo." No need to crack wise, I've only been playing a few years now ;-) The sound on that track was a little unusual, I thought perhaps a pedal with a "vibrato" or "tremelo" setting. Perhaps what I was noticing was because of it being a baritone, as you said, and that's why it sounded strange to me.
I've have done a hundred tracks that sound a lot like that, and I've used a Tele. I'm sure you know what I mean :-)
If that's a baritone guitar, that's really cool, I've never used one. Almost any electric with heavy gauge strings can be made to sound like that, but the Tele's the easiest to dial in.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 17, 2014 19:53:53 GMT -6
Sounds to me like a tele tuned low through a Bassman. Could be wrong but I'd bet that's Brent Mason through HIS Bassman and that old grey Tele he plays with a little bit of phase dialed in.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 18, 2014 0:29:02 GMT -6
Sounds to me like a tele tuned low through a Bassman. Could be wrong but I'd bet that's Brent Mason through HIS Bassman and that old grey Tele he plays with a little bit of phase dialed in. Yep... that or a Deluxe.... one of the two with at tele tuned down. Just doesn't sounds like a baritone guitar to me. But hell if someone will find out who played on that song I'll ask them what they used.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 18, 2014 4:51:07 GMT -6
Sounds to me like a tele tuned low through a Bassman. Could be wrong but I'd bet that's Brent Mason through HIS Bassman and that old grey Tele he plays with a little bit of phase dialed in. Yep... that or a Deluxe.... one of the two with at tele tuned down. Just doesn't sounds like a baritone guitar to me. But hell if someone will find out who played on that song I'll ask them what they used. Nothing on Wiki.
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Post by Randge on Jun 2, 2014 15:26:08 GMT -6
Sounds like Brent Mason's long scale baritone tele. I would lay money since I have recorded that guitar recently.
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