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Post by RealNoob on Dec 28, 2019 17:34:04 GMT -6
So, I have had Strats and still have a souped up squire with vintage noiseless pickups. It sounds ok but doesn't have the best action. I can still shred a little with it.
My main axe is a Gretshc Black Falcon. As a band leader and typically a rhythm player with occasional lines, its a beast - sounds glorious. I have TV Jones Hilotron single coils in it and it nearly does the Tele thing with spank to nice crunch and near acoustic on the neck pickup. it is sooo versatile. However, it is a chunk up high and I cannot get up on it to save my life.
I'd like a guitar that I can get up on the neck for soloing. I have thought that would be a Tele as that's the only sound I truly want. The BF gets close but doesn't quite have the presence/bite. Nothing but a Tele does.
I recently went to the noob-trap (GC) and picked up an Epiphone SG for grins. I was shocked at how much of the neck was accessible - truly surprised. I now understand the draw - they are easy to play. I think I could like this with P-90s. Is there such a thing?
On the other hand, I am truly taken by the demo of the Duesenberg Paloma - the Strat killer.
So is there a guitar with the tonal versatility that could replace the BF with some spank and warm tones while offering the playability of the SG? is it the Paloma or something else?
Thanks for musing with me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2019 18:07:23 GMT -6
Check out those PRS Silver Sky's...and yes, a P-90 SG is awesome. You could also get a Tele with a P90 in the bridge.
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Post by matt on Dec 28, 2019 19:47:57 GMT -6
An SG Classic with P-90s is a thing. Brings out my inner Pete.  |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 28, 2019 21:36:49 GMT -6
An SG Classic with P-90s is a thing. Brings out my inner Pete. I have a 2004. The P90s are really good. Bound neck. I don’t love the batwing pickguard. Oh well. I bought used for 750 or 800 Canuck. So around $600 in the US. Dunno what they go for today but that’s not much more than an Epiphone for a US made Gibson. Worth keeping an eye out for. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 28, 2019 22:22:09 GMT -6
For a Strat style, a couple years back ex-Fender Custom shop guy John Page made some production guitars under his own name. I think the deal was most of the production was done overseas with final assembly and QC done in the US. Not cheap exactly but not custom shop prices. The couple I tried were really nice. Not sure how many are out there though. Or on an F style see if you can find one that has the rounded off neck plate like on the Jeff Beck Strat. I think the top of the line Strats and Teles have this now. For such a minor seeming change it makes a huge difference in reaching the top of the fretboard. If you want to stick with a Tele, see if you can find one like that and see if it does enough of what you want it to do.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 29, 2019 21:17:08 GMT -6
This is the neck plate I was talking about on some Fenders.  Makes an immense difference. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by RealNoob on Jan 2, 2020 0:20:31 GMT -6
Thanks for the input guys
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 6, 2020 17:54:06 GMT -6
Just saw a pic of a 2 P90 SG with the smaller pickguard, bound neck with dots and smaller white buttons on the tuners. Not sure the model, maybe the Townsend sig? And there’s the Gary Clark Jr. with 3 P90s. There might even be some models with 24 frets too, but don’t quote me on that.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 6, 2020 20:37:26 GMT -6
Just saw a pic of a 2 P90 SG with the smaller pickguard, bound neck with dots and smaller white buttons on the tuners. Not sure the model, maybe the Townsend sig? And there’s the Gary Clark Jr. with 3 P90s. There might even be some models with 24 frets too, but don’t quote me on that. Cheers, Geoff SG Special.
Pickguard depends on the year.
EDIT: Actually, probably an SG/Les Paul Special. I believe the batwing came in in '66 after they dropped the "Les Paul" moniker. I am not sure what the '64/'65 transition models had.
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 6, 2020 21:23:58 GMT -6
Originally yeah. I could look up when the 60s transitions happened, but in terms of newer, like the last couple decades, SGs they’ve done every possible iteration of components - batwing or small pickguard, dots or trapezoids, bound and unbound necks, crowns on the headstock or not, TOM or wraparound bridge, and so on - and called them all kinds of things. Let’s not even get into the weirdness they tried in the early to mid 70s. Some pretty fugly stuff!
But back to the OP P90s have been a thing on the SG pretty much from the start.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 7, 2020 15:33:35 GMT -6
Originally yeah. I could look up when the 60s transitions happened, but in terms of newer, like the last couple decades, SGs they’ve done every possible iteration of components - batwing or small pickguard, dots or trapezoids, bound and unbound necks, crowns on the headstock or not, TOM or wraparound bridge, and so on - and called them all kinds of things. Let’s not even get into the weirdness they tried in the early to mid 70s. Some pretty fugly stuff! But back to the OP P90s have been a thing on the SG pretty much from the start. Cheers, Geoff The last couple or three decades Gibson has been totally out to lunch on their product designations. It's as if they're fired everybody who understood what the original model designations meant and now the person(s) assigning model names are as clueless as the punters getting their info off Farcebook. |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 13, 2020 17:40:04 GMT -6
Came across this vid of the top of the line Tele. About halfway in it shows the back of the neck body joint and the stuff they’ve done to make upper fret access better.
Hope this helps. I kinda want one.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by villisaty on Apr 2, 2020 2:11:26 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 2, 2020 21:47:12 GMT -6
So, I have had Strats and still have a souped up squire with vintage noiseless pickups. It sounds ok but doesn't have the best action. I can still shred a little with it. My main axe is a Gretshc Black Falcon. As a band leader and typically a rhythm player with occasional lines, its a beast - sounds glorious. I have TV Jones Hilotron single coils in it and it nearly does the Tele thing with spank to nice crunch and near acoustic on the neck pickup. it is sooo versatile. However, it is a chunk up high and I cannot get up on it to save my life. I'd like a guitar that I can get up on the neck for soloing. I have thought that would be a Tele as that's the only sound I truly want. The BF gets close but doesn't quite have the presence/bite. Nothing but a Tele does. I recently went to the noob-trap (GC) and picked up an Epiphone SG for grins. I was shocked at how much of the neck was accessible - truly surprised. I now understand the draw - they are easy to play. I think I could like this with P-90s. Is there such a thing? On the other hand, I am truly taken by the demo of the Duesenberg Paloma - the Strat killer. So is there a guitar with the tonal versatility that could replace the BF with some spank and warm tones while offering the playability of the SG? is it the Paloma or something else? Thanks for musing with me. They did indeed make Gibson SGs with P-90s - the original (real, not modern fake Gibson) SG Special. In the original Gibson nomenclature "Special" denoted a guitar with two P-90s. Junior ws one P-90 and Standard and Custom were humbuckers. But Henry and the current jerk have buggered all that up so the model names don't mean anything anymore.
Pete Townshend was an avid player of SG Specials.
Dunno if they make anything comparable in the current Epiphone line (or Gibson, for that matter.) You might have to search for an affordable original Gibbie. Note that there was a period where the heel block extended farther up the neck. Those were more durable - the ones with the original SG Les Paul style neck were fairly delicate - and I don't know if the block would bother you or not.
An alternative might be to get an SG with humbuckers and replace them with Lindy Fralin P-92s, which are P-90s that fit a humbucker route. And Fralin will wind them to your spec if you tell them what you're looking for tonally.
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Post by Ward on Apr 6, 2020 9:38:47 GMT -6
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Post by Ned Ward on Apr 6, 2020 10:13:58 GMT -6
Callaham, Stew Mac and others sell tele bridges that will let you fit a hum bucker or P90 in the bridge and still have the 3 tele saddles. I'd get a Tele and at least swap the neck pickup for a P90...
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 8, 2020 14:32:40 GMT -6
Callaham, Stew Mac and others sell tele bridges that will let you fit a hum bucker or P90 in the bridge and still have the 3 tele saddles. I'd get a Tele and at least swap the neck pickup for a P90... I generally prefer my Telecasters to stay Telecasters and my Gibsons to stay Gibsons. And the SGs with the "SG Les Paul" (original) style neck have more frets clear of the body than any Fender - since Fenders are bolt-ons they, by necessity, have the body block*. I'm not such a big fan of the SGs that had the extended block, which started in 1965 and continued through the '70s AFAIK - I don't know the exact year that they reverted to the original neck design, but all the Gibson SGs made in recent years have it. I'm pretty sure that the set neck Epis do as well.
My favorite SGs are "SG Les Paul" Juniors made between 1961 and 1963/64.
* - some of the new top of the line Fenders have a redesigned, more streamlined block that's smoother than the original, but there's still a block at the end of the neck. Which is what the OP sought to avoid.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 8, 2020 16:58:05 GMT -6
I'm really late to this thread, and I agree P90 SGs are super cool. Something to consider is a G&L ASAT Special. I get a TON of great things from mine. Leo Fender's take on a P90. |
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Post by Bender on Apr 9, 2020 20:21:21 GMT -6
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Post by nicholas on Apr 30, 2020 8:22:38 GMT -6
I've always wanted a black one.
I can't figure out where to start.
I find a great website that has some guitar riffs (not sure if that's the right term, sorry).
On the subject of style (saying it's about the end of the world, or just annoying me), I feel like 99% of guitar riffs suck. I recently found the audio album for this guitar riff that I made. It's a million years better than most guitar riffs, in my opinion.
I don't think the guitar needs to have really unique, bizarre, ridiculous, or stupid styles.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 6, 2020 6:01:44 GMT -6
I would strongly recommend the Ibanez RGA series. I have the RGIAX62FM and it's one of my best guitars. They make a $400 one that I'll probably add later. There are quite a few in the line.
It's my dream guitar for neck access, many different tones with the coil split, and that big fat passive overwound humbucker sound. I put a Dimarzio PAF Pro in the neck, otherwise it's all stock.
You just have to not be scared by the shape of them. Your friends might make fun of you for playing a Korn guitar. But I swear it's a genius instrument, and I get compliments on the tone constantly.
You could also look at a PRS SE Custom 24, or the single cut ones, or the Santana. These are super playable guitars with the best vibrato bridge I've used. Different sound than the RGA, sort of neutral sounding, can do almost anything, it's not a strat, it's not a les paul. Records really well.
Neither of these guitars are heavy or awkward on the body. Super ergonomic, both of them.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2020 21:34:01 GMT -6
My housemate/lead guitarist got his old '63 SG/Les Paul back from his brother after many years.... Swapped out his '70s LP Custom.
All in the family, anyway.......
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Post by Guitar on Sept 6, 2020 10:48:29 GMT -6
Another one I would highly recommend is the Agile AD-201 "les paul junior" two P90 guitar. Really well built instrument. You gotta replace those pickups though, I went with Mojotone Quiet Coil P90s (humbucker in a P90 shape).
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2020 9:42:18 GMT -6
I'm still trying to find one of these now, ever since I 'found' it for you, @robsmith!  |
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