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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 8, 2020 0:11:00 GMT -6
That's for one pick. Depending on size/thickness, some of the Blue Chips go for as much as $75. (That's still for one pick, John.) Blue Chips are really big among serious Bluegrass players. The cost is mainly wrapped up in the material and the difficulty in shaping and finishing it. $35 for ONE PICK? They can shove it where the sun don't shine.
At $35 for a dozen I'd risk it to see it their products are that much better, but $35 for ONE GODDAM PICK, made of AT BEST, of 35 cents worth of plastic, they're ripping you off.
The only picks I can think of that might be REMOTELY worth than would be genuine tortoise shell, and only because they're illegal.
$35, the price of their cheapest advertised product, could buy me enough of the typical, bog standard, picks that do PERFECTLY WELL for me to last AT LEAST five years, if not 10 or more.
What, i should spend $35 to $75 EVERY TIME I LOSE A PICK? Are the OUT OF THEIR MINDS?
Are people REALLY that gullible?
I'd lose (a lot of) money doing that.
Maybe if you're the sort who thinks nothing of snorting a $100 line of coke up their nose - but didn't that idiocy go out with the last century?
Personal responsibility would keep you from losing these picks. If you read the literature about them, they are incredibly difficult to drop, even with sweaty hands/fingers because of the material. They also at the same time glide off of strings incredibly easy making for a quick stroke. These things actually change the way you use your right hand. I stopped using my real tortoise picks when I got these things and haven’t turned back (don’t get all crazy on me I had a family member gift me a handful of them many many years ago). They will seriously last you forever. I’ve only personally seen 2 peope wear them down, and they are both serious bluegrass rippers that never seem to put down their instrument.
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Post by Ward on Mar 15, 2020 18:36:10 GMT -6
To me, Tortex is like swimming with chest waders.. I've never heard it put quite so succinctly before, and I guess this is why popmann spent the time customizing them so they didn't produce that scraping noise on most notes. Particularly problematic with the thicker varieties. JMHO YMMV
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:37:37 GMT -6
The Dunlop Jazz III is my current fave. It's a very small, stiff pick made for precision playing. Some players are nervous about using a small pick, but the surface of the Dunlop means that it stays right where you want it.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 15, 2020 19:57:53 GMT -6
$35 for ONE PICK? They can shove it where the sun don't shine.
At $35 for a dozen I'd risk it to see it their products are that much better, but $35 for ONE GODDAM PICK, made of AT BEST, of 35 cents worth of plastic, they're ripping you off.
The only picks I can think of that might be REMOTELY worth than would be genuine tortoise shell, and only because they're illegal.
$35, the price of their cheapest advertised product, could buy me enough of the typical, bog standard, picks that do PERFECTLY WELL for me to last AT LEAST five years, if not 10 or more.
What, i should spend $35 to $75 EVERY TIME I LOSE A PICK? Are the OUT OF THEIR MINDS?
Are people REALLY that gullible?
I'd lose (a lot of) money doing that.
Maybe if you're the sort who thinks nothing of snorting a $100 line of coke up their nose - but didn't that idiocy go out with the last century?
Personal responsibility would keep you from losing these picks. If you read the literature about them, they are incredibly difficult to drop, even with sweaty hands/fingers because of the material. They also at the same time glide off of strings incredibly easy making for a quick stroke. These things actually change the way you use your right hand. I stopped using my real tortoise picks when I got these things and haven’t turned back (don’t get all crazy on me I had a family member gift me a handful of them many many years ago). They will seriously last you forever. I’ve only personally seen 2 peope wear them down, and they are both serious bluegrass rippers that never seem to put down their instrument. I would love to accept a free sample to determine if the hype is something other than.... hype.
That being said, I am a rhytyhm guitarist who plays in a very vigorous, often percussive style (when we break it down to a 3 piece for smaller gigs my guitar IS the drum kit) and I'm not paying good money for a pick that might represent a significant cut of my earnings for a gig if I happened to drop it.
If I was playing coliseums I might not care.... (altough I'm inclined to wonder what e.g. Rick Nielsen might think of a $75 pick.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 15, 2020 20:15:06 GMT -6
$35 for ONE PICK? They can shove it where the sun don't shine.
At $35 for a dozen I'd risk it to see it their products are that much better, but $35 for ONE GODDAM PICK, made of AT BEST, of 35 cents worth of plastic, they're ripping you off.
The only picks I can think of that might be REMOTELY worth than would be genuine tortoise shell, and only because they're illegal.
$35, the price of their cheapest advertised product, could buy me enough of the typical, bog standard, picks that do PERFECTLY WELL for me to last AT LEAST five years, if not 10 or more.
What, i should spend $35 to $75 EVERY TIME I LOSE A PICK? Are the OUT OF THEIR MINDS?
Are people REALLY that gullible?
I'd lose (a lot of) money doing that.
Maybe if you're the sort who thinks nothing of snorting a $100 line of coke up their nose - but didn't that idiocy go out with the last century?
Personal responsibility would keep you from losing these picks. If you read the literature about them, they are incredibly difficult to drop, even with sweaty hands/fingers because of the material. They also at the same time glide off of strings incredibly easy making for a quick stroke. These things actually change the way you use your right hand. I stopped using my real tortoise picks when I got these things and haven’t turned back (don’t get all crazy on me I had a family member gift me a handful of them many many years ago). They will seriously last you forever. I’ve only personally seen 2 peope wear them down, and they are both serious bluegrass rippers that never seem to put down their instrument. So they "glide off the strings" but won't "glide" out of my fingers?
Really?
Send me samples and if they pan out I'll believe it. If not, to me it's just more hype.
And if they pan out I'll sing their praises to high heaven.
"Personal responsibility" would interfere with my performance. I don't need to worry about "responsibility" for a stupid $35 - $75 pick while I should be concentrating on the song.
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Post by Ward on Mar 15, 2020 21:08:19 GMT -6
Still don't think you can beat a trusty old Fender 347H celly
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Post by popmann on Mar 15, 2020 21:26:17 GMT -6
And where do you GET 347 cels? The medium of that IS one of my all around faves. It's RARE a music store carries them IME.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 16, 2020 20:46:21 GMT -6
Personal responsibility would keep you from losing these picks. If you read the literature about them, they are incredibly difficult to drop, even with sweaty hands/fingers because of the material. They also at the same time glide off of strings incredibly easy making for a quick stroke. These things actually change the way you use your right hand. I stopped using my real tortoise picks when I got these things and haven’t turned back (don’t get all crazy on me I had a family member gift me a handful of them many many years ago). They will seriously last you forever. I’ve only personally seen 2 peope wear them down, and they are both serious bluegrass rippers that never seem to put down their instrument. So they "glide off the strings" but won't "glide" out of my fingers?
Really?
Send me samples and if they pan out I'll believe it. If not, to me it's just more hype.
And if they pan out I'll sing their praises to high heaven.
"Personal responsibility" would interfere with my performance. I don't need to worry about "responsibility" for a stupid $35 - $75 pick while I should be concentrating on the song.
Yup, they do exactly that. They glide off the strings but stay in your sweaty paws. I have no idea how it works, especially since they are smooth to the touch. And somebody much smarter than me figured out that some weird ass textile he worked with would make an incredible guitar pick (only for some, apparently). I’ve got no interest in purchasing you a pick so that you can either dismiss it or enjoy it. Or enjoy it but dismiss it because of the cost. I’m merely saying that yeah - they work. They sound great, they feel great, you won’t drop it, and you most likely will be able to put less stress on your hand. As a 37 year old, it helps with some wrist problems I’ve had in the past. I’m sure it would help you out as well. Look man, I’m merely suggesting you give it a shot. I called BS on it myself until I tried them. I’m glad I gave them a shot because they have improved my playing, my touch, and my connection to the instrument. If that’s not important to you, or if you think you’ve already got that with what you use, with the added bonus of being able to dismiss dropped picks because that’s your thing and it gets you off during your performance, then keep riding that feel good train. I’m all for it. Just don’t tell me I’m wrong if you’ve never given one a shot. Oh yeah... many of the most well regarded Mandolin players these days do a great job of the chop with a Blue Chip and wouldn’t have it any other way. (No, I don’t know the owner. I paid full price for the ones I own, and nobody in their right mind would give me free guitar picks, or anything else for that matter)
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2020 20:58:14 GMT -6
I use those Dunlop Tortex picks...mostly the yellow .73 mm ones...but it's amazing how much the tone changes on acoustic guitars with the heavier picks.
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2020 22:07:55 GMT -6
I use those Dunlop Tortex picks...mostly the yellow .73 mm ones...but it's amazing how much the tone changes on acoustic guitars with the heavier picks. I use mostly use those yellows on acoustic too. Greens if I want it mellower. When I was a young buck I played the purples and just beat the living shit out of my strings. Graphite everything to avoid constant breakage. Jumpin' around like a jackrabbit. We're all young a dumb at some point right?
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 16, 2020 23:19:25 GMT -6
So they "glide off the strings" but won't "glide" out of my fingers?
Really?
Send me samples and if they pan out I'll believe it. If not, to me it's just more hype.
And if they pan out I'll sing their praises to high heaven.
"Personal responsibility" would interfere with my performance. I don't need to worry about "responsibility" for a stupid $35 - $75 pick while I should be concentrating on the song.
Yup, they do exactly that. They glide off the strings but stay in your sweaty paws. I have no idea how it works, especially since they are smooth to the touch. And somebody much smarter than me figured out that some weird ass textile he worked with would make an incredible guitar pick (only for some, apparently). I’ve got no interest in purchasing you a pick so that you can either dismiss it or enjoy it. Or enjoy it but dismiss it because of the cost. I’m merely saying that yeah - they work. They sound great, they feel great, you won’t drop it, and you most likely will be able to put less stress on your hand. As a 37 year old, it helps with some wrist problems I’ve had in the past. I’m sure it would help you out as well. Look man, I’m merely suggesting you give it a shot. I called BS on it myself until I tried them. I’m glad I gave them a shot because they have improved my playing, my touch, and my connection to the instrument. If that’s not important to you, or if you think you’ve already got that with what you use, with the added bonus of being able to dismiss dropped picks because that’s your thing and it gets you off during your performance, then keep riding that feel good train. I’m all for it. Just don’t tell me I’m wrong if you’ve never given one a shot. Oh yeah... many of the most well regarded Mandolin players these days do a great job of the chop with a Blue Chip and wouldn’t have it any other way. (No, I don’t know the owner. I paid full price for the ones I own, and nobody in their right mind would give me free guitar picks, or anything else for that matter) Well, that's a hell of a testamonial. You've actually managed to get my curiousity up, which is not easy to do with something like this. If I still remember when the financial system normalizes I might chck one out. What's the thinnest size they make? I usually use a medium/thin, about .63mm.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 17, 2020 6:02:24 GMT -6
I went on a boutique pick safari last year. I forget all the brands I tried, but I do own a blue chip now amongst a few other “high priced” picks. I found they made a bigger difference with really well made acoustic guitars. On my electrics I’ve determined that the best picks for me are still the good old Dunlop’s. I like yellow or green for most stuff, and the fatter jazz picks for other stuff. My favorite out of the boutique stuff was definitely the Wegen picks. Whatever the material is, it does something really cool to attacks. It’s also cheaper than several other options. I picked up one brand that was made of a tortoise shell kind of material. Really classy looking and feeling, but they shredded up after a few days of use!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 17, 2020 7:54:12 GMT -6
Yup, they do exactly that. They glide off the strings but stay in your sweaty paws. I have no idea how it works, especially since they are smooth to the touch. And somebody much smarter than me figured out that some weird ass textile he worked with would make an incredible guitar pick (only for some, apparently). I’ve got no interest in purchasing you a pick so that you can either dismiss it or enjoy it. Or enjoy it but dismiss it because of the cost. I’m merely saying that yeah - they work. They sound great, they feel great, you won’t drop it, and you most likely will be able to put less stress on your hand. As a 37 year old, it helps with some wrist problems I’ve had in the past. I’m sure it would help you out as well. Look man, I’m merely suggesting you give it a shot. I called BS on it myself until I tried them. I’m glad I gave them a shot because they have improved my playing, my touch, and my connection to the instrument. If that’s not important to you, or if you think you’ve already got that with what you use, with the added bonus of being able to dismiss dropped picks because that’s your thing and it gets you off during your performance, then keep riding that feel good train. I’m all for it. Just don’t tell me I’m wrong if you’ve never given one a shot. Oh yeah... many of the most well regarded Mandolin players these days do a great job of the chop with a Blue Chip and wouldn’t have it any other way. (No, I don’t know the owner. I paid full price for the ones I own, and nobody in their right mind would give me free guitar picks, or anything else for that matter) Well, that's a hell of a testamonial. You've actually managed to get my curiousity up, which is not easy to do with something like this. If I still remember when the financial system normalizes I might chck one out. What's the thinnest size they make? I usually use a medium/thin, about .63mm. Check their website - he sizes them differently than by going mm. I used normal fender medium picks for years and years and the Blue Chip I have is far thicker, but I adjusted quickly. It’s honestly worth a shot. You could sell it if you figured you didn’t like it and only be out a few bucks in the end.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 17, 2020 13:32:02 GMT -6
Well, that's a hell of a testamonial. You've actually managed to get my curiousity up, which is not easy to do with something like this. If I still remember when the financial system normalizes I might chck one out. What's the thinnest size they make? I usually use a medium/thin, about .63mm. Check their website - he sizes them differently than by going mm. I used normal fender medium picks for years and years and the Blue Chip I have is far thicker, but I adjusted quickly. It’s honestly worth a shot. You could sell it if you figured you didn’t like it and only be out a few bucks in the end. I used to use much thicker picks than I do now but thicker picks don't sound as good with my guitar. I'd need some sort of equivalence chart. It's not a matter of "adjusting my playing", it's a matter of how the pick interacts with the guitar. I actually prefer the feel of a thicker pick but I don't think it sounds as good. For one thing with thye way I play the thicker pick tends to make the guitar sound out of tune, since I play pretty hard.
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Post by Ward on Mar 21, 2020 13:31:34 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2020 20:49:28 GMT -6
Well, that's a hell of a testamonial. You've actually managed to get my curiousity up, which is not easy to do with something like this. If I still remember when the financial system normalizes I might chck one out. What's the thinnest size they make? I usually use a medium/thin, about .63mm. Check their website - he sizes them differently than by going mm. I used normal fender medium picks for years and years and the Blue Chip I have is far thicker, but I adjusted quickly. It’s honestly worth a shot. You could sell it if you figured you didn’t like it and only be out a few bucks in the end. I was once a guest at the studio where Jeremy works and I've actually tried the pick he's speaking of. It did in fact make for a seriously significant improvement in the sound. I would never use another if I could afford them.
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Post by donr on Mar 22, 2020 22:16:29 GMT -6
I started with Fender medium cel, classic shape, in the surf instrumental days, then to Fender heavys, through early Blue Oyster Cult, then I found a bigger rounded triangle on a stage in Kansas City belonging to Larry "Rhino" Reinhardt, probably from his "Captain Beyond" period. I picked it up and have used that shape ever since.
In celluloid, I'll wear the corner off a pick in about 10 minutes, and I'd turn the pick as it wore. A couple decades ago, I tried most all the newer materials and found acetal by Clayton the best combo of durability and flex. I used to use .80mm but after switching to in ear monitors, realized I got a better sound out of the guitar if I didn't pick it so hard, so I went to .63mm, which in the acetal material still has plenty of snap and wears like iron. I don't anchor my pick hand on the guitar so I pick aggressively. It's the same pick that johnepstein uses, 'cept it's got my name on it. I'm a big fan of the material, and I encourage those who haven't tried one to check it out. I throw my picks to the crowd, I get 'em 400 at a time, but I'm no Rick Neilson in that regard.
Popman is right about different picks for different guitars and purpose. Even when I used heavys I'd go to a medium Fender for acoustic recordings.
I haven't seen those $75 picks. I've got some stone ones that are interesting for practice purpose, but I go with what I know and like.
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Post by ragan on Mar 22, 2020 23:03:01 GMT -6
I've not quite gotten to feel at home with the big triangle shape but I like the material a lot. Attachments:
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 23, 2020 12:59:01 GMT -6
Just wanted to note that the only Blue Chips that cost $75 are the ones that are crazy thick. Most of the Blue Chips are $35. And they come with a 30-day return policy.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Mar 24, 2020 20:23:35 GMT -6
I endorse Blue Chip picks. Top of the heap!
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Post by Ward on Mar 29, 2020 9:14:14 GMT -6
I endorse Blue Chip picks. Top of the heap! do they make custom shapes?
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Post by ragan on Mar 30, 2020 19:32:42 GMT -6
donr I gotta say, I’ve been using the big ol’ Buck Dharma triangle and really liking it. That extra material gives me a gentler attack and keeps my hand from being too thumpy since it’s a titch further off the guitar (both improvements as I tend to be a harder player than I want to be).
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Post by bluegrassdan on Mar 30, 2020 21:27:19 GMT -6
I endorse Blue Chip picks. Top of the heap! do they make custom shapes? Seems like they do some custom things, but I've only ever used their teardrop picks. You should give Matthew Goins a call and ask him. They're a very good company based out of Knoxvile, TN. Fine folks. And their picks are really nice. Worth the $35.
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Post by donr on Mar 30, 2020 22:16:27 GMT -6
donr I gotta say, I’ve been using the big ol’ Buck Dharma triangle and really liking it. That extra material gives me a gentler attack and keeps my hand from being too thumpy since it’s a titch further off the guitar (both improvements as I tend to be a harder player than I want to be). With the standard Fender celluloid picks most of us start out with, I'd wear my index fingernail down to the quick the way I held it, while I was wearing the pick down just off the end of the point. I still wear my fingernail down, it's how I do pick harmonics, but the bigger triangle gives me more ease of handling. Plus the shape gave me 3 points to wear down before I switched to the Clayton acetal material.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 31, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -6
donr I gotta say, I’ve been using the big ol’ Buck Dharma triangle and really liking it. That extra material gives me a gentler attack and keeps my hand from being too thumpy since it’s a titch further off the guitar (both improvements as I tend to be a harder player than I want to be). With the standard Fender celluloid picks most of us start out with, I'd wear my index fingernail down to the quick the way I held it, while I was wearing the pick down just off the end of the point. I still wear my fingernail down, it's how I do pick harmonics, but the bigger triangle gives me more ease of handling. Plus the shape gave me 3 points to wear down before I switched to the Clayton acetal material. I actually wore down a point on one of my Claytons - took me over a year of vigorous playing (and managing not to lose the pick) to accomplish that.
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