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Post by svart on Apr 17, 2020 22:51:06 GMT -6
From a political journal. Not scientific.
Again, they put their politics right on their masthead.
Please, I'd like to see some real science, not propaganda.
When I can google a publication and the political bias comes up first thing it's not a scientific, impartial source.
There are many widely recognized scientific publications that are not compromised by politics. Let's see some references from them.
"Science", "Scientific American", "The New England Journal of Medicine" to name just three off the top of my head. Why no references to those?
I really wish that the article above were true. But it's not from a reliable, unbiased source, it's an unabashed political publication.
Incidentally, FWIW, I identified as "libertarian" for quite awhile until things went off the rails.
There's a link to the study in the article, if you would stop playing political victim for a moment and read. |
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Post by drbill on Apr 17, 2020 23:08:53 GMT -6
johneppstein - it's not just the Covid threads John. It's any thread you have a chance to bash Trump. You take aim and let loose. I swear I could ask you about what the best strings are for my Tele - and you are the guy to know - and you could find a way to bash Trump. Not subtle. Not infrequent. And not appreciated by oh....about 50% of the US who voted for him. The other 50% cheer you on! Creating division which is tearing our country apart - no matter which side you sit on. But somehow, I thought this was a no politics zone?
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 17, 2020 23:42:13 GMT -6
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1They got 50 positives out of 3300 for a raw weight of 1.5% infected. They then adjusted this to 2.81% for <<reasons>> (demographic sampling? I don't understand these reasons, happy for someone to explain). When you adjust the raw 1.5% for the false positive/negative rate of their test you get 1.27% (95% CI 0.82% to 1.87%) (using the combined sensitivity number they give, scenario 3). Assuming that is the infection rate, Santa Clara county has 1.928 million people, and 73 deaths. The estimated total number of infections is then 24,485 for an IFR of 0.3%. (95% CI range implies 0.2% to 0.46%). Getting out into speculation land - with that, you'd expect a high R0 - at least 2, implying likely 50% of the population would ultimately be infected at minimum. With a true IFR of 0.3% the final number of fatalities for the US would be 480,000 (95% range implies 320,000-736,000) over the next 12ish months. Interesting article, from all appearances unbiased, but not yet vetted - it's a preliminary.
One thing I noticed is that the abstract of the article reports that the level of infection appears to be much higher than the "official" reports.
One thing that I would consider a possible (potentially serious) flaw is that they used Facebook to recruit their subjects, which could bias the overall results. Dunno how that would skew things though.
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 17, 2020 23:50:46 GMT -6
Of course it’s biased. Three of the authors have published opeds previously about how it was overblown and they basically recruited a bunch of karens for the study. And the test they’re using apparently has garbage sensitivity. But that doesn’t mean it’s not good science or a useful data point.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 18, 2020 0:32:25 GMT -6
johneppstein - it's not just the Covid threads John. It's any thread you have a chance to bash Trump. You take aim and let loose. I swear I could ask you about what the best strings are for my Tele - and you are the guy to know - and you could find a way to bash Trump. Not subtle. Not infrequent. And not appreciated by oh....about 50% of the US who voted for him. The other 50% cheer you on! Creating division which is tearing our country apart - no matter which side you sit on. But somehow, I thought this was a no politics zone? Since when did I say anything about Trump and guitar strings? AFAIK he has no musical ability or interest at all, not that I care. I suppose that could be interpreted as a negative comment, but it's not intended that way.
And yeah, I don't like the guy but there's really nothing political about it. Don't like his dad, either, which goes back to a beef Woody Guthrie had with him way back in 1950. Business, that's a different matter. Matter of fact, I don't believe that Trump himself is really political at all, at least in the traditional sense. He's an opportunist, does whatever he thinks is good for him. You know he used to be a "democrat", right? Actually, he's probably a lot like P.T. Barnum - with a different upbringing he could have been a great showman.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 18, 2020 0:36:04 GMT -6
Of course it’s biased. Three of the authors have published opeds previously about how it was overblown and they basically recruited a bunch of karens for the study. And the test they’re using apparently has garbage sensitivity. But that doesn’t mean it’s not good science or a useful data point. Good science strives as hard as humanly possible to be unbiased. Anything else is not good science.
The big problem with many hard science publications is that they can be rather difficult for laymen to read.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 18, 2020 2:25:02 GMT -6
Well as long as all of you (and your loved ones) stay "safe and sound", through all this...
That's my main hope here at RGO.
I make the motion, we defer any other "regularly scheduled" bickering... To when after bathroom tissue store supplies, have been fully stabilized. Thus easing mounting tensions.
Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 18, 2020 2:28:04 GMT -6
There's a link to the study in the article, if you would stop playing political victim for a moment and read. Oh, Ok. I'f rather not have to read through a bunch os extraneous verbiage to get to the study. but OK.
That's the Santa Clara Facebook study.
This is the preliminary report on the study; it is not yet vetted. That may or may not be significant, depending of the outcome of the peer approval process.
I question the wisdom of recruiting subjects via Facebook, that alone could skew the results. In fact, the authors admitted that the study is racially biased, with the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics in the study greatly under represented. Those are the two ethnic groups that show the greatest prevalence of Covid infections nation wide.
Also, Santa Clara went into quarantine ln in mid-March and the study was undertaken in the beginning of April, a difference of two weeks which is about the length of time it takes for the quarantine to start showing results, so it's not surprising that the percentage of infected subjects is somewhat low.
HMMmmm...... "50 to 85 fold larger", eh? That's pretty significant if it's true. It potentially means two things: One, that the fatality rate could be significantly lower than assumed, and Two, that the potential spread of the virus could be much, much worse than assumed to date. So is this good news or bad news? I'd say Yes, it is. Both. But we don't know if it is and neither do the authors, hence the word "suggests".
Also the fact that the subjects were recruited via Facebook makes me suspect that the sample may be skewed in regards to age, with older folks under represented. If the authors mentioned the age factor I missed it.
All in all it's not too bad a study for a preliminary report. It will be interesting to see how it fares in the peer approval process.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 18, 2020 8:35:15 GMT -6
Of course it’s biased. Three of the authors have published opeds previously about how it was overblown and they basically recruited a bunch of karens for the study. And the test they’re using apparently has garbage sensitivity. But that doesn’t mean it’s not good science or a useful data point. Stop...they’re Scientists. At Stanford. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 18, 2020 8:36:03 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Apr 18, 2020 10:39:57 GMT -6
Imagine being so self centered that you want everyone to lose their livelihoods so you can feel a little safer.
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 18, 2020 14:49:23 GMT -6
Of course it’s biased. Three of the authors have published opeds previously about how it was overblown and they basically recruited a bunch of karens for the study. And the test they’re using apparently has garbage sensitivity. But that doesn’t mean it’s not good science or a useful data point. Stop...they’re Scientists. At Stanford. Bias isn't bad. Bias exists everywhere, all the time. Svart has a bias for this thing being overblown. You can tell by the selection of articles he chooses to post. John E has a bias to believe negative things about President Trump. I have a bias to read papers because I am a nerd. Weeks ago, John Ionnadis wrote a paper speculating about a 0.05% IFR. I think you might have linked it? And Bendavid and Bhattcharya wrote the WSJ op-ed speculating about a 0.01% IFR. Being a scientist at Stanford doesn't stop making you human, and all humans have bias. These guys believed it was less severe - so much they decided to go do their own study (none of them are epidemiologists!). It's perhaps rare in academia to know in advance, in print, the biases of the person who conducts a study like this (unless you know them / their previous work I suppose). Here was nice, we know exactly what they were looking for. On the other hand, I don't think they got the result they wanted. And I do think their bias shows in how they reported their numbers. For example, they used a demographic adjustment to go from 1.5% (naive prevalence - 50 positives out of 3300 tests) to 2.8%.. and then they adjusted the number for the sensitivity and specificty of their test. That's a bit wonky. And, they didn't really report a thorough 95% confidence interval on their test results. Within the confidence interval of the specificity of the test it is possible all 50 of their positives were false positives. For a nice explanation of how this works out, here: metarabbit.wordpress.com/2020/04/18/did-anyone-in-santa-clara-county-get-covid-19/This works out to a true positive rate of 1.5 with 95% confidence interval ranging from 0.2% to 2.4%. And this doesn't get into the limitations of study design - which they note in their paper, because they are good and honest scientists. |
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Post by svart on Apr 18, 2020 16:28:03 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Apr 19, 2020 19:19:44 GMT -6
This may rub some people the wrong way . . . another actual expert.
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Post by svart on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:14 GMT -6
This may rub some people the wrong way . . . another actual expert. Can't wait to see folks rush to condemn what he's saying because they're scared. Trust the scientists! Unless of course he's a scientist who deals with with both the statistics and the diseases and can tell us the truth without the media spin and the political ineptitude. In that case dismiss what he has to say because to accept it now would mean you fell prey to the fear-n-panic headlines. |
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Post by drbill on Apr 19, 2020 20:31:36 GMT -6
I got no science. Sorry. But I do have the "official" stats for my county and I'm sure this will piss people off too.
Almost a month after the prediction of "hell on earth" in all hospitals on the planet in 2 weeks, our two hospitals have a grand total of 3 people with Covid in the two hospitals combined - with another 300 staffed beds waiting for the apocalypse.
We have a county total of 72 confirmed cases (up 20 in the last 2 weeks), 1 death (been that way for 4 weeks now and has not risen), and 5 total recoveries. Aside from the media and governmental actions and everyone freaking, I don't think it would even have been a blip on the radar or normalcy here without the governmental actions and media. I mean, I honestly think the local doctors would have just chocked it up to a bad flu strain or pneumonia. There's just not enough going on here. Of course, this may be because of social distancing or because we are not packed like sardines here, but honestly, there's a LOT of people here who are not really doing the social distancing thing. Which leads to the next interesting thing....
Folks under 65 make up 2/3 of the cases, and over 65 1/3 of the cases. Quite a few infected that are in the 1-17 age group. My guess is that this demographic is not as fearful as the older folks who were told this could def. be fatal - so they are out and around more.
And just to make life interesting and more controversial, there are personal reports (definitely not science) coming from doctors and medical staff in NYC that the whole thing in NYC is being inextricably overblown for political and financial reasons. Doctors being told to count EVERY death as a Covid death no matter the cause so the hospital gets more $$$. Certain hospitals overflowing, while others are almost empty. Morgue trucks sitting "full" because the coroner just doesn't want to be contaminated. Temporary hospitals not being needed. But media reporting much the opposite. Who to believe? You'll have to decide for yourself.
Again, not science, but enough of a coincidence to make one wonder. I've never seen things do diametrically opposed on such an important issue in all my life. I long for the good ol days when the news was just the news and not a billion dollar money making industry.
Maybe I was just naive.....
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 19, 2020 21:28:08 GMT -6
Ny and Nj just aren’t fairing as well unfortunately Bill.
My mother works at a funeral home where they generally get 2 or 3 deaths a week. They have 23 bodies in their possession currently and that’s been a steadily growing number per week for the past month. Parents live in a suburb of NYC in NJ about 6 miles out.
Wife’s family had a death that was one of the people at a nursing home here that is under a major investigation. They didn’t find out the woman had passed away until 4 days later when they tried to call her on Easter Sunday.
Friends that are doctors and nurses are at wits end and just plain damn tired - never mind being told they are blowing things out of proportion.
I’m glad it’s not as intense in certain areas of the country. This really sucks and I hope it gets under control soon.
Stay safe everybody.
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Post by drbill on Apr 19, 2020 22:24:21 GMT -6
Ny and Nj just aren’t fairing as well unfortunately Bill. Stay safe everybody. Wish there was definitive news that one could believe. Not doubting your family's situation, and I'm sorry and wish them the best. I'm getting conflicting reports to yours out of NYC. So weird.... Hang in there, and stay safe!! |
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2020 10:41:03 GMT -6
I got no science. Sorry. But I do have the "official" stats for my county and I'm sure this will piss people off too. Almost a month after the prediction of "hell on earth" in all hospitals on the planet in 2 weeks, our two hospitals have a grand total of 3 people with Covid in the two hospitals combined - with another 300 staffed beds waiting for the apocalypse. We have a county total of 72 confirmed cases (up 20 in the last 2 weeks), 1 death (been that way for 4 weeks now and has not risen), and 5 total recoveries. Aside from the media and governmental actions and everyone freaking, I don't think it would even have been a blip on the radar or normalcy here without the governmental actions and media. I mean, I honestly think the local doctors would have just chocked it up to a bad flu strain or pneumonia. There's just not enough going on here. Of course, this may be because of social distancing or because we are not packed like sardines here, but honestly, there's a LOT of people here who are not really doing the social distancing thing. Which leads to the next interesting thing.... Folks under 65 make up 2/3 of the cases, and over 65 1/3 of the cases. Quite a few infected that are in the 1-17 age group. My guess is that this demographic is not as fearful as the older folks who were told this could def. be fatal - so they are out and around more. And just to make life interesting and more controversial, there are personal reports (definitely not science) coming from doctors and medical staff in NYC that the whole thing in NYC is being inextricably overblown for political and financial reasons. Doctors being told to count EVERY death as a Covid death no matter the cause so the hospital gets more $$$. Certain hospitals overflowing, while others are almost empty. Morgue trucks sitting "full" because the coroner just doesn't want to be contaminated. Temporary hospitals not being needed. But media reporting much the opposite. Who to believe? You'll have to decide for yourself. Again, not science, but enough of a coincidence to make one wonder. I've never seen things do diametrically opposed on such an important issue in all my life. I long for the good ol days when the news was just the news and not a billion dollar money making industry. Maybe I was just naive..... The reports of every death in NY being reported as COVID-19 is simply false, it’s actually more the opposite. I spoke 2 NY docs an NY ER doc and a Pathologist in the last 2 days, both checking in on me. If you know pathologist and coroners nobody is going to sign off on an unproven cause of death. In fact both admitted it’s the exact opposite, probable Covid 19 deaths are being reported as either cardiac arrest or some sort of respiratory distress if there is not a test showing a positive Covid 19 diagnosis! nobody is going to take the financial or career risk of recording a cause of death they can’t prove, to do so would be just plain stupid and illegal! If CMS even caught wind of this happening or even the pressure by administration to do so they would be investigating it in a flash Trust me you don’t want to live through a CMS investigation and nobody in health care wants CMS to shut down their Medicare / Medicare payments. The short term benifit is not worth the long term implications. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 20, 2020 11:21:45 GMT -6
The Corona Rules:
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old). (And wear a mask. Oh, see #2.)
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with " I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?
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Post by christopher on Apr 20, 2020 11:34:08 GMT -6
I think they really screwed up with the flu-like symptoms thing.. everyone gets the flu, it’s a part of life... only the weakest are ever at any risk. This is not a flu, it’s something else. After reading some first hand accounts finally, I feel pretty sure I had it. Here’s what I can tell you first hand, from my experience.
For the unfortunate ones, the chills aren’t “chills”, it’s rigor, which are extreme tremors and involuntary muscle contractions. The body aches aren’t flu type aches.. it’s a massive buildup of lactic acid in the muscles from flexing due to rigor. Basically take yourself to the gym and have The Rock force you to do a 4 hour routine with him, next day every damn muscle fiber is in total pain down to the bone marrow. Then there’s a screaming headache like you been out drinking cheap tequila till 4am and still went to work next day anyway. This might have been because your jaw bone was slamming your skull like a jackhammer for hours? Or it could be lack of oxygen? Doesn’t matter.. it sucks. But all these miserable and horrible symptoms are absolutely nothing compared to the worst one...
You wake up with a tickle in the back of your throat.. obviously something that needs to be coughed up, like some food went down the wrong pipe. So you hack for a bit and nothing comes out. No phlem, no nothing.. and now the tickle is worse. So you try again, same result. Again..nothing. After 3 minutes you are starting to get really upset, so you start taking much stronger and deeper breathes, to really force the damn thing out.. hack hack hack.. bottom of your lungs can feel something is there and it needs to get out. But nothing comes out, just air. Feels like there’s a damn piece of food or something stuck in your windpipe and it’s driving you insane! And now you can’t stop coughing. Your body is trying to hack it out for you now, you aren’t even trying. Ok.. where is this going? And after about 20 involuntary hacks in a row you realize you are totally out of breath and not getting enough oxygen, you just need to take in a few breathes and forget that thing in your throat before trying again. But your body won’t let you stop coughing. Finally.. a break in the hacking, you are so ready to inhale that deep wonderful breath like coming up out of the water... and you start to pull air into your lungs, as soon as you get just 1/2 cup of air your body starts hacking again. Damnit! Another 20-30 second fit without breathing. Now you are seriously going insane.. you need air, but you can’t get any. Again, the hacking finally stops for a second, you try to breath again and same thing.. a tiny gulp of air and back to 30 seconds no breathing, just hacking. so far you’ve been awake for about 15-20 minutes and it’s been pure hell, body is in pain, head is pounding, but all you want is a little oxygen. Each cough is causing your diaphragm to contract, which is causing your heart rate to jump in an attempt to feed much needed oxygen to your muscles, which is causing your body to want to gulp in air, which is causing you to cough. It’s a feedback loop, and it’s killing you! It’s been a couple minutes and just a cup full of air! So you realize, you’ll need to stop the coughing.. that will stop the muscles from needing oxygen, which will stop the heart from jumping, which will stop this cycle! So you tell yourself to not cough, even though that thing in your windpipe is driving you insane. And don’t take deep breaths, even though it’s what you want so very bad and most of all. Only take shallow breathes, .. tiniest breathes you can do, and whatever you do...don’t cough!!! You start taking tiny breaths of air, and fighting the urge to cough.. you get about 10 seconds worth of breathing, you can feel your heart start to slow, when your body starts coughing again. F***! Another 20 seconds go by and you are fighting to keep yourself from coughing.. again.. tiny breaths, fight the urge to cough. This time you make it about 30 seconds without coughing, but this tiny breathing crap is driving you mad! You need a real breathe of air! So you decide, maybe I can take in a deep breathe now? Maybe if I try a slow deep breathe? So you give it shot.. and immediately start coughing, back to the feedback loop. This goes on for an hour, total misery. Another hour.. eventually you start to realize: I won’t be breathing real breathes for a few days, and that thing in my windpipe is not going to be coming out until this is over. But if you lay perfectly still... your heart can survive on these itty bitty breathes. As soon as you move a muscle, like lift your leg.. your heart rate jumps up and the coughing loop starts. Getting up to the restroom is a battle that takes 5-10 minutes of suffering, coughing loop, suffocation.. it’s just the way it is. Super annoying!!! And you got this damn headache that feels like a hangover on top of it, body is sore and beat up like it got ran over! The only positive is that the lack of oxygen helps you feel drunk.
Anyway.. this is nothing like a “flu”. Sure most all will survive and be fine, as anyone would if they had to hike 100 miles though the wilderness. I really don’t want to deal with this stupid thing again. I’d pick food poisoning every time.
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Post by drbill on Apr 20, 2020 12:18:30 GMT -6
The reports of every death in NY being reported as COVID-19 is simply false. OK. Again, back to who do you believe. 2 credible sources. Second hand. Completely opposite. Agendas. Everybody's got one. Sigh.... |
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Post by christopher on Apr 20, 2020 12:54:12 GMT -6
My conspiracy theory is that the conspiracy theorists against the shutdown are working for the CIA. The movie Contagion has those same characters and same backlash. It’s like some kind of plan man...
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Post by svart on Apr 20, 2020 13:28:31 GMT -6
My conspiracy theory is that the conspiracy theorists against the shutdown are working for the CIA. The movie Contagion has those same characters and same backlash. It’s like some kind of plan man... It's no conspiracy that once the government puts laws and rules into play, they rarely remove them once the impetus for them has gone. Let this go on too long and the masks will become muzzles. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2020 14:37:58 GMT -6
As of today, within the approximately 3.2 million OC/California population... Approximately 1,700 cases/33 deaths. If we multiply by 100, to approximate US population... It'd be 170,000 cases/3,300 deaths. Actual US figures, are around 750K cases/around 40K deaths. So in OC, we are less than 25% of the National case average (per capita), and have approximate overall risk to being an Alaskan resident deathwise... Chris P.S. Ward your post was really funny, no matter where you sit in the "spectrum" of opinion!  |
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Post by christopher on Apr 20, 2020 20:34:44 GMT -6
My conspiracy theory is that the conspiracy theorists against the shutdown are working for the CIA. The movie Contagion has those same characters and same backlash. It’s like some kind of plan man... It's no conspiracy that once the government puts laws and rules into play, they rarely remove them once the impetus for them has gone. Let this go on too long and the masks will become muzzles. now they want to make Face ID broken at same time they conspiring to take rights away? Seems kinda a play in the favor of the citizens, right? |
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Post by swurveman on Apr 21, 2020 9:32:02 GMT -6
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Post by christopher on Apr 21, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing. I don’t trust NYtimes for any news anymore, but this article does give some hope. Like is it a ploy to sell a bunch of pulse oximeters? (at least the patent is expired) They are cheap, I guess it’s time every house have one. My friend is waiting for her test, her O2 levels were fine. I guess we will see how this correlates if she comes back positive.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 21, 2020 10:59:30 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing. I don’t trust NYtimes for any news anymore, but this article does give some hope. Like is it a ploy to sell a bunch of pulse oximeters? (at least the patent is expired) They are cheap, I guess it’s time every house have one. My friend is waiting for her test, her O2 levels were fine. I guess we will see how this correlates if she comes back positive. Interesting, but two things jump out to me. 1) pulse oximeters are often NOT accurate. If you have poor circulation or even just cold hands you'll get a false low reading. Nail polish too can give bad readings. Using one isn't rocket science but it does take some knowledge on how to troubleshoot. 2) I have a hard time believing there's all these patients with SpO2 saturations of 50% that are asymptomatic (when it comes to hypoxia). Sure seeing a few people like that is "normal", but I'm highly suspicious of that claim. That being said if I was sick I'd use one as a gauge. |
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Post by svart on Apr 22, 2020 22:02:50 GMT -6
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