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Post by ragan on Jun 24, 2020 12:12:26 GMT -6
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jun 25, 2020 13:20:04 GMT -6
I like Guitars C the best- seem to have rounder, more full range lows and a more natural ambience. Sound like real mics to me.
The others sound good but a little more closed-in.
I did like Guitars A over Guitars B.
B sounded a bit too tight, focused to my ear.
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Post by svart on Jun 26, 2020 7:01:00 GMT -6
C is the best, but that's in solo. I'd bet that A sits better in a mix. B was much too wooly overall and had a woofy lower midrange that would just be too muddy.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 26, 2020 17:33:38 GMT -6
None of them. I guess that I was bothered least by C, but all of them had a certain intermittent grainy sort of dirt that I found distracting, especially on the lead. There were points where the lead seemed to be taking off into a kind of glorious soaring clean tone with just enough bite but then that damn dirt would come in and blow it. That dirt might have been fine in a different context, but on a lyrical passage like the test it was just distracting. It's possible that in the context of a full mix it might not have been so obvious or grating, but I wouldn't bet on it, due to the points where it occurred. Beautiful liquid sustained note that decays into the feel of coarse sand in my shoe instead of dying out gracefully....
I kinda feel like it might be some subtle problem with the amp.
Other than that particular distracting problem I thought they were all pretty good. |
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Post by dmo on Jun 26, 2020 21:10:35 GMT -6
I thought C sounded best, then A > B. First listened on ipad this morning and noticed mostly tone, B being darker and A somewhat bright. Just now listening though the board both A and B sounded more harsh (gritty?) to me - C seemed "cleaner" - curious to see what the differences where.
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Post by ragan on Jun 27, 2020 11:50:17 GMT -6
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Post by tkaitkai on Jun 29, 2020 0:05:17 GMT -6
In the first test, my preference was for either B or C. Close call between all three, though.
In this newer one, I definitely prefer 1 by a wider margin. Seems more relaxed/natural to my ears.
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Post by svart on Jun 29, 2020 13:54:58 GMT -6
B on the new set. A is too "up front" and C is a bit strident in the mix.
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Post by ragan on Jun 29, 2020 14:02:55 GMT -6
B on the new set. A is too "up front" and C is a bit strident in the mix. I'm assuming A = 1, B = 2 and C = 3 for the second comparison. Thanks for checking it out. |
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Post by svart on Jun 29, 2020 14:07:19 GMT -6
B on the new set. A is too "up front" and C is a bit strident in the mix. I'm assuming A = 1, B = 2 and C = 3 for the second comparison. Thanks for checking it out. Ah yeah, #2. I had assumed they were still in the order of the first post, but that might have been a poor assumption on my part. |
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jun 29, 2020 18:18:40 GMT -6
Much preferred Guitars 1.
Even though it's LCR panning it sounds like Guitars 1 is wider and has a more convincing transient response as well as a more natural ambience.
You could make Guitars 1 sound like Guitars 2 or Guitars 3, but I don't think you could make 2 or 3 sound like Guitars 1.
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Post by ragan on Jun 30, 2020 2:15:33 GMT -6
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jun 30, 2020 18:45:34 GMT -6
I like Guitars D out of these 2- same reasons
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Post by tkaitkai on Jul 1, 2020 1:37:34 GMT -6
D for me as well.
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Post by christopher on Jul 1, 2020 10:33:39 GMT -6
Your stuff could be on the local station I listen to quite a bit, KRSH.com. Actually anyone on here can try and hit them up. I bring that up because they play a mix of guitar music, new and old. Both could be on there.
D sounds like a new artist. I can imagine the room the guitar is in, and imagine the person playing, kind of that intimate close modern thing.
E sounds like something that could be from the old record days to me. The tone isn’t as full and deep, brighter and I can’t really place the room it is in. Maybe I imagine a big studio? I like how the lead isn’t fighting over the same sonic space, the echo is able to be more audible.
Just wanted to let you know that’s the vibe I get, so you can choose what you are aiming for.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 9:44:24 GMT -6
Haven't read through, but I thought B sounded the most "realistic" - maybe these are all real, though. I just hear some different harmonics and unpredictability that I don't hear in the others. That said, C was probably more ready to go.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 9:48:57 GMT -6
On the second batch I preferred the first one. Second one sounded bright to me. Third a little dull.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 9:50:19 GMT -6
And D
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 14:28:06 GMT -6
Answers next post, in case anyone still wants to listen blind.
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 14:28:41 GMT -6
Guitars A: TH-U
Guitars B: Suhr RL
Guitars C: Iridium
These were some DI tracks I already had and I just re-amped to check these various methods out. I just used the IRs that I had already loaded onto the Iridium (and used the same ones within TH-U). So the IRs for each part were the same across the three methods.
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Guitars 1: Suhr RL
Guitars 2: Iridium
Guitars 3: TH-U
With these, I used the IRs I'd already picked/loaded for the Iridium but for the Suhr I picked out IRs specifically for it (though I had them hosted on the Iridium, in amp bypass mode). Picked specific IRs for TH-U as well, just trying to get good sounds, not match all the IRs.
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Guitars D: Suhr RL
Guitars E: mic'd amps
Here, instead of printing through IRs hosted on the Iridium, I recorded the signal straight out of the Suhr and then applied IRs within the DAW. This let me go through and put the multi-mic IRs on separate channels and treat them like I do when I multi-mic (like in Guitars E). So grab the 57 and then decide to blend it with some 121 or 421 or U87 or whatever.
This last test surprised me, pleasantly. I picked the Suhr (blind) over the actual mic'd amps. I really like both but I prefer the Suhr version. This is what I'm gonna go with going forward. I've re-positioned my amps so they're within reach at mix position and am making up the cabling to have everything tidy. Oh, and the amps are a Deluxe Reverb 68RI and an AC15 (C1).
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 14:40:09 GMT -6
Picked the Suhr every time.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jul 2, 2020 15:43:30 GMT -6
Cool! Looks like I also preferred the Surh RL. I'd love to try one out sometime.
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jul 4, 2020 12:41:03 GMT -6
Nice.... thanks for the rundown
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