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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 11, 2021 9:01:34 GMT -6
Dumb electronics question: Planning to make speaker cables and connect two custom panels to each other through the studio wall(s) to run cables from my AC30 and 50-watt Plexi heads in the room to their cabinets in the garage.
Bought 100+ feet of Canare 4S11 and some NYS225B TS connectors thinking that would be very durable and heavy duty. When I received it, I realized that it's kinda different feeling than the common speaker cables I have. Searching it up a bit, seems the Canare 4S11 is a favorite for Hi-Fi speaker cable installations.
Am I cool using this for speaker cables for my cabs? Both heads are 16ohms. I've had the cable for a couple of months now, so I'm stuck with it if it's not usable for my needs.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 11, 2021 9:04:13 GMT -6
Should be fine.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 11, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -6
Awesome, thanks for such a quick answer. Much appreciated.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 11, 2021 13:25:47 GMT -6
Speaker cables are not generally regarded as hi precision components.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 11, 2021 16:38:35 GMT -6
Yeah you want fat enough wire gauge to handle current without losses.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 11, 2021 19:40:02 GMT -6
Speaker cables are not generally regarded as hi precision components. That's why I prefaced my original post with "Dumb electronics question:"
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2021 17:04:55 GMT -6
Dumb electronics question: Planning to make speaker cables and connect two custom panels to each other through the studio wall(s) to run cables from my AC30 and 50-watt Plexi heads in the room to their cabinets in the garage.
Bought 100+ feet of Canare 4S11 and some NYS225B TS connectors thinking that would be very durable and heavy duty. When I received it, I realized that it's kinda different feeling than the common speaker cables I have. Searching it up a bit, seems the Canare 4S11 is a favorite for Hi-Fi speaker cable installations.
Am I cool using this for speaker cables for my cabs? Both heads are 16ohms. I've had the cable for a couple of months now, so I'm stuck with it if it's not usable for my needs.
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2021 20:15:28 GMT -6
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit. Ok, thanks for that, I appreciate it.
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2021 20:20:45 GMT -6
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit. Ok, thanks for that, I appreciate it. Anytime you know some of us are Uhber geeks
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2021 20:23:39 GMT -6
Anytime you know some of us are Uhber geeks That's why I originally posted my dumbass question that unfortunately attracted the Kracken of RGO, lol.
Especially with my '78 Plexi, I do not want to jack something up because the load is wrong or whatever.
Thanks, man.
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2021 20:33:38 GMT -6
Anytime you know some of us are Uhber geeks That's why I originally posted my dumbass question that unfortunately attracted the Kracken of RGO, lol.
Especially with my '78 Plexi, I do not want to jack something up because the load is wrong or whatever.
Thanks, man.
This where esoteric cables get tricky I know of way to many build outs where a sales guy has screwed the pooch by looking at his or her commission instead of the clients need ! Of coarse a couple of million in insurance claims and years on the road dealing with a different inspector every day taught me to always dig deep and ask the stupid questions! As a a former sales dude I never wanted to hear I screwed up by costing a client his insurance claim. Hell I made a lot of money because others didn’t dig deep and do their due diligence! And to think it was only after retirement I started to hang with lawyers.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2021 21:07:19 GMT -6
That's why I originally posted my dumbass question that unfortunately attracted the Kracken of RGO, lol.
Especially with my '78 Plexi, I do not want to jack something up because the load is wrong or whatever.
Thanks, man.
This where esoteric cables get tricky I know of way to many build outs where a sales guy has screwed the pooch by looking at his or her commission instead of the clients need ! Of coarse a couple of million in insurance claims and years on the road dealing with a different inspector every day taught me to always dig deep and ask the stupid questions! As a a former sales dude I never wanted to hear I screwed up by costing a client his insurance claim. Hell I made a lot of money because others didn’t dig deep and do their due diligence! And to think it was only after retirement I started to hang with lawyers. ericn Lock the gates! lol. (Almost Famous reference.)
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 14, 2021 14:41:50 GMT -6
Dumb electronics question: Planning to make speaker cables and connect two custom panels to each other through the studio wall(s) to run cables from my AC30 and 50-watt Plexi heads in the room to their cabinets in the garage.
Bought 100+ feet of Canare 4S11 and some NYS225B TS connectors thinking that would be very durable and heavy duty. When I received it, I realized that it's kinda different feeling than the common speaker cables I have. Searching it up a bit, seems the Canare 4S11 is a favorite for Hi-Fi speaker cable installations.
Am I cool using this for speaker cables for my cabs? Both heads are 16ohms. I've had the cable for a couple of months now, so I'm stuck with it if it's not usable for my needs.
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit.
IMO, ALL building wiring needs to be in conduit. Metallic conduit. Unless, of course, your lighting happens to run on DC. And even so, noise can leak in if the power supply is not good.
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Post by keymod on Jul 14, 2021 15:42:36 GMT -6
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit.
IMO, ALL building wiring needs to be in conduit. Metallic conduit. Unless, of course, your lighting happens to run on DC. And even so, noise can leak in if the power supply is not good.
Agreed. As an electrical contractor, I would never use romex to wire a studio. EMT with THHN is the way to go for power wiring. At the very least, MC cable.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2021 0:46:34 GMT -6
IMO, ALL building wiring needs to be in conduit. Metallic conduit. Unless, of course, your lighting happens to run on DC. And even so, noise can leak in if the power supply is not good.
Agreed. As an electrical contractor, I would never use romex to wire a studio. EMT with THHN is the way to go for power wiring. At the very least, MC cable. I am not legally an electrical contractor, but I have rewired theaters , restaurants, and bars under the "supervision" <cough-cough> of licensed contractors and had stellar results on inspection - although admittedl;y I don't adhere to code..... I use #12 stranded instead of #14 solid, for one..... I work on the assumption that some iodiot is always gonna overload something.
Or worked. Can't do the heavy stuff anymore. Turned 71 4 days ago......hate it.......
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Post by svart on Jul 19, 2021 8:24:54 GMT -6
IMO, ALL building wiring needs to be in conduit. Metallic conduit. Unless, of course, your lighting happens to run on DC. And even so, noise can leak in if the power supply is not good.
Agreed. As an electrical contractor, I would never use romex to wire a studio. EMT with THHN is the way to go for power wiring. At the very least, MC cable. Romex is just a bundle of THHN conductors. There is no difference in performance. BTW: for those not in the electrical business, Romex is a brand name for a bundle of THHN (thermoplastic high-heat nylon) or THWN (thermoplastic high-heat water-resistant nylon).
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Post by svart on Jul 19, 2021 8:32:04 GMT -6
I've used Romex as speaker cable a few times just because I had some and had some connectors. Worked great despite being a bit unfriendly to moving it around.
A lot of vintage guitar cables were little more than lamp cord quality. Some might say that the loss of the cable had an effect on the sound and might have added to the tone. We (collectively) will do things like add a variac to brown out an amp for tone, why not use some undersized cable?
And yes, before someone says "but it's not rated for my amp's output!", amps rarely reach peak power. They also do so for very short amounts of time. Conductors fail due to heating caused by resistance. You can cause a conductor to fail by sustaining the power at a failure level over time and it build up heat and then eventually overheats, or you can fry it with a sudden surge of energy that overheats it immediately.
Guitar amps simply can't supply enough current to burn cables.
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Post by keymod on Jul 19, 2021 9:09:04 GMT -6
Agreed. As an electrical contractor, I would never use romex to wire a studio. EMT with THHN is the way to go for power wiring. At the very least, MC cable. Romex is just a bundle of THHN conductors. There is no difference in performance. BTW: for those not in the electrical business, Romex is a brand name for a bundle of THHN (thermoplastic high-heat nylon) or THWN (thermoplastic high-heat water-resistant nylon). The "romex" offers no sheilding. The individual conductors are sheilded by the metallic EMT conduit, thus lessening the chance of emf-induced noise/hum . The code also requires a separate grounding conductor be installed within the metallic raceway which also reduces the potential for ground-induced noise. The metal jacket of the MC cable acts as a shield also, and MC cable has an insulated ground wire alreadt installed.
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Post by svart on Jul 19, 2021 9:38:35 GMT -6
Romex is just a bundle of THHN conductors. There is no difference in performance. BTW: for those not in the electrical business, Romex is a brand name for a bundle of THHN (thermoplastic high-heat nylon) or THWN (thermoplastic high-heat water-resistant nylon). The "romex" offers no sheilding. The individual conductors are sheilded by the metallic EMT conduit, thus lessening the chance of emf-induced noise/hum . The code also requires a separate grounding conductor be installed within the metallic raceway which also reduces the potential for ground-induced noise. The metal jacket of the MC cable acts as a shield also, and MC cable has an insulated ground wire alreadt installed. Why does romex need shielding? You're more likely to pic up noise ingress from 60hz through unshielded cables plugging into your gear, or from adjacent gear, than unshielded cables in the wall.
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Post by keymod on Jul 19, 2021 10:10:53 GMT -6
It doesn't. But better power wiring in a studio situation should have it. It's a different animal than the shield on a mic cable.
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2021 11:43:54 GMT -6
respected cable but if you put it in the walls your probably in violation of electric codes. The Canare 4s10Fand 4s12F are install cables but still need to be in conduit.
IMO, ALL building wiring needs to be in conduit. Metallic conduit. Unless, of course, your lighting happens to run on DC. And even so, noise can leak in if the power supply is not good.
Yeah, but in most studio builds it always seams like metallic conduit is a victim of running over budget, then the guy at the local music store cuts the cable budget by thinking he can put some generic stage cable in the wall. It should get caught during inspection but of course it’s a build out in somebody’s basement or garage and nobody ever pulled permits. Of course I type this as I look out the window at the KC Sheraton better known has the Hyatt worst unintended US building disaster in history.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 20, 2021 12:35:16 GMT -6
I knew the term 'plenum' cable, but not 'riser' cable.
I read the OP description as connected wall panels, almost no wire length in the walls. I don't know if that changes anything.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 20, 2021 21:34:35 GMT -6
I knew the term 'plenum' cable, but not 'riser' cable. I read the OP description as connected wall panels, almost no wire length in the walls. I don't know if that changes anything. Couple of 3-gang remodel boxes and it all worked out fine. About 14" travel. Not that big of a deal. I was more concerned with making sure the wire I used was proper to go out to the cabs. The panels turned out awesome though.
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