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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 16:45:22 GMT -6
I might have asked this before, sorry if I have.. Has anyone tried to dry mic a snare drum only and blend it into something like SSD or Superior?
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Post by Tbone81 on May 28, 2022 16:52:35 GMT -6
If you mean creating your own snare sample to import into your VI of choice, yes, I’ve done that quite a bit. If you mean blending a sample in parallel to your live snare, also yes.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 17:42:25 GMT -6
If you mean creating your own snare sample to import into your VI of choice, yes, I’ve done that quite a bit. If you mean blending a sample in parallel to your live snare, also yes. More like removing the VST snare (maybe HH) altogether and then recording a live snare (top & bottom) / HH cymbal only as a replacement.. I suppose I could drop the vst room mic's then run them through a verb (or room emulation). Although thanks, some food for thought there.. I could buy a piezo for the snare and try to blend it with the vst kit, did that all the time in the metal recording domain. |
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Post by matt on May 29, 2022 9:58:00 GMT -6
More like removing the VST snare (maybe HH) altogether and then recording a live snare (top & bottom) / HH cymbal only as a replacement.. I used to do this routinely using SD3, particularly with all the metal (hat/ride/crash). I'd keep the VI versions in the track but at a reduced level and blend the recorded audio tracks together with SD3 in Pro Tools. It was a pain to do but my drummer got good at it, playing live against the previously recorded midi track. Laying down hat can be tricky though! Now we record nothing but live drums. There is a bit of a tradeoff in sound quality since SD3's sample libraries are so perfectly recorded, but the increase in the quality and feel of performances we capture is so significant we are never going back. We could layer samples into the live performance if we wished. But no, I'm done with drum sample manipulation for now. While powerful, the midi editing process got tedious and just plain old. I'd much rather capture my drummer's playing in the time-honored way using a big kit and a dozen mics. Plus, he worships at the Altar of Bonham, and has killer chops, which helps. It's a beautiful thing! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 16:04:43 GMT -6
More like removing the VST snare (maybe HH) altogether and then recording a live snare (top & bottom) / HH cymbal only as a replacement.. I used to do this routinely using SD3, particularly with all the metal (hat/ride/crash). I'd keep the VI versions in the track but at a reduced level and blend the recorded audio tracks together with SD3 in Pro Tools. It was a pain to do but my drummer got good at it, playing live against the previously recorded midi track. Laying down hat can be tricky though! Now we record nothing but live drums. There is a bit of a tradeoff in sound quality since SD3's sample libraries are so perfectly recorded, but the increase in the quality and feel of performances we capture is so significant we are never going back. We could layer samples into the live performance if we wished. But no, I'm done with drum sample manipulation for now. While powerful, the midi editing process got tedious and just plain old. I'd much rather capture my drummer's playing in the time-honored way using a big kit and a dozen mics. Plus, he worships at the Altar of Bonham, and has killer chops, which helps. It's a beautiful thing! I'd dump the snare / HH out entirely so there's nothing of it left. It's good to know someone else was approaching it at this sort of angle though, believe me Matt I would love to track live drums.. Just need to figure out a way to do it. There's are a few practice rooms around here, the old studio I used to freelance at had a decent drum room you could use for like $20.00 an hour but the years spun on and I don't even know if he's still in business. The dream would be to have a house in the sticks and a room at home, land isn't cheap here.. Maybe one day  . |
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Post by Tbone81 on May 29, 2022 16:48:03 GMT -6
What genre of music are we talking about here? I've recorded live snare, and/or HH against an otherwise electronic drum/percussion groove. Works great for modern RnB, Hip Hop, Top 40 etc. But more often than not I use my own samples, imported into Battery or Slate Trigger. I have a pretty extensive collection of drum samples I've recorded myself over the years, I've amassed a nice library of sounds I like to use and generally just program midi with those. Unless we're talking heavy metal...then its record a live kit AND sample the live kit... and then sample blend/replace later.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 17:18:05 GMT -6
What genre of music are we talking about here? I've recorded live snare, and/or HH against an otherwise electronic drum/percussion groove. Works great for modern RnB, Hip Hop, Top 40 etc. But more often than not I use my own samples, imported into Battery or Slate Trigger. I have a pretty extensive collection of drum samples I've recorded myself over the years, I've amassed a nice library of sounds I like to use and generally just program midi with those. Unless we're talking heavy metal...then its record a live kit AND sample the live kit... and then sample blend/replace later. I was going to ditch metal / heavy rock together but decided to do a concept album that has an alternate version of every harder song. SSD's 5.5 will cover the heavier stuff, there's no point in going to nuanced extremes in that genre. For the light rock / alt / pop rock / dance / big band(ish) stuff that's where I'd like to record real drums ideally, that'll never happen for many reasons. So, I'm trying to find the simplest way to get real instruments in there and then blend the rest. I love pearl kits, even the cheap one's so I was going to buy a snare + HH, mic it with a MD441 let the HH bleed into that and then switch off the sampled equivalents entirely. I'd drop the OH's / room and then push it all through something like UA oceanway. I mean I can get a cheap pearl snare and a half decent HH then try it as an experiment. I also have a TD17KVX so I don't have to program midi I can just play it.. Ultimately I'm not sure if it's a fools errand, I might as well buy a kit and see how much it annoy's the neighbours. Or just use samples for now until I can get a place with some land.. Really it's just an idea I'm tinkering with. Also that reminds me, I really need to sample an anvil..  |
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