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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2023 10:32:55 GMT -6
We had talked about this diy clone earlier: first clips I’ve seen.
They have another preorder on I think .
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Post by tonygunz21 on Jun 24, 2023 22:39:39 GMT -6
Sonically, hardware is still king, but the flexibility of plugins may be a worthy trade-off considering how close it gets.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 6, 2023 21:54:25 GMT -6
Sonically, hardware is still king, but the flexibility of plugins may be a worthy trade-off considering how close it gets. Totally. Today I had a Smart C2 across the drum buss and it sounded incredible. But, it’s not like the drums are going to be soloed at any time during the record and a plugin gives me good sound with great recall. I do kinda want a Smart though… |
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Post by copperx on Jul 7, 2023 21:48:41 GMT -6
Sonically, hardware is still king, but the flexibility of plugins may be a worthy trade-off considering how close it gets. Totally. Today I had a Smart C2 across the drum buss and it sounded incredible. But, it’s not like the drums are going to be soloed at any time during the record and a plugin gives me good sound with great recall. I do kinda want a Smart though… That raises the question, what plugin gives you the crush of the C2? |
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Post by itzprime on Jul 8, 2023 7:54:19 GMT -6
To be honest, I never get why they don't use the glue. It does the SSL pump much better than the waves one.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 8, 2023 9:05:46 GMT -6
Totally. Today I had a Smart C2 across the drum buss and it sounded incredible. But, it’s not like the drums are going to be soloed at any time during the record and a plugin gives me good sound with great recall. I do kinda want a Smart though… That raises the question, what plugin gives you the crush of the C2? As in Crush mode on a C2? Great question. Hopefully someone will release a plugin version. I needed to get in the ballpark yesterday so I used the SSL version of the plugin followed by a Pultec. Not too shabby, but definitely different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 13:43:43 GMT -6
That raises the question, what plugin gives you the crush of the C2? As in Crush mode on a C2? Great question. Hopefully someone will release a plugin version. I needed to get in the ballpark yesterday so I used the SSL version of the plugin followed by a Pultec. Not too shabby, but definitely different. Any circuit modeled emulation will suck compared to the hardware because the model does not take into account the bandwidth limitations of the sampling theorem, ie the action of UAD emulations and DMG TrackComp sucks even at 16x oversampling versus many standard digital compressors. The SSL branded plugin Bus compressor has nothing to do with the hardware and is just a standard digital compressor from a 90s digital console that SSL finally update to run at 192 khz. There is no attempt at distortion mitigation in it. You can tell it’s not an accurate model just by looking at the transfer curve and the lack of even harmonics from any half wave rectification of certain frequencies in the sidechain. Even the PSP Buspressor running at 44.1 khz sounds more like a murky, dirty vca hardware compressor with dbx vcas than SSL’s own at 192 khz. |
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Post by notneeson on Jul 14, 2023 14:32:21 GMT -6
As in Crush mode on a C2? Great question. Hopefully someone will release a plugin version. I needed to get in the ballpark yesterday so I used the SSL version of the plugin followed by a Pultec. Not too shabby, but definitely different. Any circuit modeled emulation will suck compared to the hardware because the model does not take into account the bandwidth limitations of the sampling theorem, ie the action of UAD emulations and DMG TrackComp sucks even at 16x oversampling versus many standard digital compressors. The SSL branded plugin Bus compressor has nothing to do with the hardware and is just a standard digital compressor from a 90s digital console that SSL finally update to run at 192 khz. There is no attempt at distortion mitigation in it. You can tell it’s not an accurate model just by looking at the transfer curve and the lack of even harmonics from any half wave rectification of certain frequencies in the sidechain. Even the PSP Buspressor running at 44.1 khz sounds more like a murky, dirty vca hardware compressor with dbx vcas than SSL’s own at 192 khz. Yeah, I end up using plugins differently than hardware to get the sounds I need. This all probably has something to do with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:50:29 GMT -6
Any circuit modeled emulation will suck compared to the hardware because the model does not take into account the bandwidth limitations of the sampling theorem, ie the action of UAD emulations and DMG TrackComp sucks even at 16x oversampling versus many standard digital compressors. The SSL branded plugin Bus compressor has nothing to do with the hardware and is just a standard digital compressor from a 90s digital console that SSL finally update to run at 192 khz. There is no attempt at distortion mitigation in it. You can tell it’s not an accurate model just by looking at the transfer curve and the lack of even harmonics from any half wave rectification of certain frequencies in the sidechain. Even the PSP Buspressor running at 44.1 khz sounds more like a murky, dirty vca hardware compressor with dbx vcas than SSL’s own at 192 khz. Yeah, I end up using plugins differently than hardware to get the sounds I need. This all probably has something to do with it. You can use the Oxford and Faraday Limiters as overdriven, distorted bus compressors set correctly. Molot GE is much better about getting a similar attack to the Smart C2 with the alpha-sigma knob, secondary release, and "insane" processing. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 17:42:53 GMT -6
To be honest, I never get why they don't use the glue. It does the SSL pump much better than the waves one. Because in a demo like this it wouldn’t make the hardware look as good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 22:16:44 GMT -6
To be honest, I never get why they don't use the glue. It does the SSL pump much better than the waves one. Because in a demo like this it wouldn’t make the hardware look as good. Because the glue’s clean except for the sometimes half wave rectification in the sidechain so if you gainstage it right for the ratio, it doesn’t take the high end off. Same with the X-Logic and C2 bus comps. And the dangerous and Kotelnikov. No tonal effects. Modern technology rules. Pre that vcas got a sound to even the nicer class a ones. Meanwhile let your signal touch a bss dpr or dbx 164 and it’s wtf happened? Molot ge is the shit. |
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