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Jul 5, 2014 16:07:11 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Jul 5, 2014 16:07:11 GMT -6
Seems like I read about Eric Johnson tuning this way a while back. Get the G string in perfect tune via the tuner. Then tune each string to the open G string using it's matching note (G) on the fretboard. The lower strings should be tuned progressively flatter (we are just talking the slightest few cents). The B and high E strings progressively a little sharp. It's the most in tune I can get my guitar without a Peterson tuner.
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Jul 5, 2014 16:49:20 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Jul 5, 2014 16:49:20 GMT -6
It probably doesn't matter as long as the intonation is perfect. As far as bass goes I remember Stu Hamm saying the bass will sound sharp while playing if it was tuned properly, so he always tuned a hair flat. Not sure if that's the case with guitar or not.
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Jul 5, 2014 16:57:49 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Jul 5, 2014 16:57:49 GMT -6
I think the theory is the slightest pressure will bend the string over the fret increasing the tension, so it probably won't be an issue with fretless guitars.
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Jul 5, 2014 18:24:12 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Jul 5, 2014 18:24:12 GMT -6
It seems to be the best solution for the slight inherent intonation issues with acoustic guitars. My J45 def could use some saddle work, but an acoustic is never gonna be absolutely perfect. The Low E is always sharp on the third fret when the open E is up to pitch. The B is always sharp on the third fret when it's tuned to pitch using open B. I guess this is basically just tuning to relative pitch.
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Jul 6, 2014 0:19:36 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Jul 6, 2014 0:19:36 GMT -6
Seems like I read about Eric Johnson tuning this way a while back. Get the G string in perfect tune via the tuner. Then tune each string to the open G string using it's matching note (G) on the fretboard. The lower strings should be tuned progressively flatter (we are just talking the slightest few cents). The B and high E strings progressively a little sharp. It's the most in tune I can get my guitar without a Peterson tuner. good stuff, thanx JK, I'm gonna try this, being oot drives me nutz, my general routine on my acoustic is to use my clip on tuner when i first take her out the case, then go off my A, and tune the guitar to its self, my low E does tend to sharp slightly, and my g/b relationship is a bit tumultuous, i often find myself fretting the b string just a wee bit lighter than the other strings for certain chords. These quirks seem to be different unto every guitar, but one thing stays the same, tuning the ax to itself. |
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Jul 6, 2014 4:40:20 GMT -6
Post by odyssey76 on Jul 6, 2014 4:40:20 GMT -6
It probably doesn't matter as long as the intonation is perfect. As far as bass goes I remember Stu Hamm saying the bass will sound sharp while playing if it was tuned properly, so he always tuned a hair flat. Not sure if that's the case with guitar or not. I've been hearing this with my bass for a long time now. Always great intonation but sounds sharp against the guitars. I'll try this, good tip. |
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Jul 6, 2014 4:43:23 GMT -6
Post by odyssey76 on Jul 6, 2014 4:43:23 GMT -6
Seems like I read about Eric Johnson tuning this way a while back. Get the G string in perfect tune via the tuner. Then tune each string to the open G string using it's matching note (G) on the fretboard. The lower strings should be tuned progressively flatter (we are just talking the slightest few cents). The B and high E strings progressively a little sharp. It's the most in tune I can get my guitar without a Peterson tuner. Will be giving this a try right after I get my guitars set up. Cool tip, thanks. |
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Jul 6, 2014 5:33:06 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Jul 6, 2014 5:33:06 GMT -6
The Low E is always sharp on the third fret when the open E is up to pitch. The B is always sharp on the third fret when it's tuned to pitch using open B. I guess this is basically just tuning to relative pitch. I never realized this. |
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Jul 6, 2014 6:41:39 GMT -6
Post by henge on Jul 6, 2014 6:41:39 GMT -6
Does anyone else do this? If the part is a picking part with little sustain (eg. riffs, fast 8th's or 16th note parts) I'll tune the axe so that the attack is in tune and let the sustain go flat. If it's a part where the sustain is more predominant, I'll let the attack be sharp and tune the sustain portion of the note.
Anyone?
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Jul 6, 2014 10:45:46 GMT -6
Post by ephi82 on Jul 6, 2014 10:45:46 GMT -6
Maybe a little off topic, but I have used a Boss TU-2 tuner for many years. Something I have seen in a lot of players and pros stage set ups.
My daughter bought me a Fender FCT-12 clip on the headstock tuners for Christmas last year. I first used it on my acoustics and was very impressed on what a great job it did. I then started using it instead of the TU-2 on my electrics, and it was a much better tuner! Intonating my guitars previously was always a bit of a guess with the TU-2, now, I am spot on.
It has presets for several open tunings, one for bass, and you can calibrate it from 430-450. (try tuning your guitars and doing a song at 435, very cool.)
This tuner is highly recommended.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jul 6, 2014 11:27:32 GMT -6
The lower strings on a guitar will sound sharp if played hard. Pick lightly and it is in tune. Wack it and it goes sharp for a time, then settles down to the true pitch. You can see that effect with a strobe tuner.
String tension is more of an issue for me. Press hard = sharp. That also applies to bass guitar strings.
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Jul 6, 2014 12:13:46 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Jul 6, 2014 12:13:46 GMT -6
The lower strings on a guitar will sound sharp if played hard. Pick lightly and it is in tune. Wack it and it goes sharp for a time, then settles down to the true pitch. You can see that effect with a strobe tuner. String tension is more of an issue for me. Press hard = sharp. That also applies to bass guitar strings. True - but there are inherent intonation issues with certain places on guitars, right? I've seen people put extra length on the nut for the E string - like a compensated nut. I was just googling and saw this... www.mimf.com/nutcomp/nut_blues.jpg |
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Jul 6, 2014 12:38:04 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Jul 6, 2014 12:38:04 GMT -6
my luthier always asks me what i want in my set up for every guitar, since i'm a drummer, i stay down in the open chord area mostly, so i'm looking for focus there vs's up the neck. The real beasts could give a shit less ime, they make what ever they play be in tune. I believe i told the Jeff Beck story somewhere on here, but here's a short of the same, he was in a local music store here in Encinitas killing an off the shelf guitar, sounded amazing, when he left, my buddy picked up the guitar JB was playing, hit a chord, and it was insanely out of tune.
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Jul 6, 2014 19:17:49 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Jul 6, 2014 19:17:49 GMT -6
There's also compensated bridges available.
Or should I say saddles..
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Jul 7, 2014 8:15:04 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 7, 2014 8:15:04 GMT -6
Funny, I've always done the opposite, if anything, I tune the B and high E a little flat, and then adjust the low E by ear. If tuned, the 3rd fret on the low E string sounds sharp, so I compromise and slightly flatten the low E, but make sure it's not so much as to untune an Em chord.
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Jul 8, 2014 10:29:14 GMT -6
Post by jimwilliams on Jul 8, 2014 10:29:14 GMT -6
The lower strings on a guitar will sound sharp if played hard. Pick lightly and it is in tune. Wack it and it goes sharp for a time, then settles down to the true pitch. You can see that effect with a strobe tuner. String tension is more of an issue for me. Press hard = sharp. That also applies to bass guitar strings. True - but there are inherent intonation issues with certain places on guitars, right? I've seen people put extra length on the nut for the E string - like a compensated nut. I was just googling and saw this... www.mimf.com/nutcomp/nut_blues.jpg |
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Jul 8, 2014 10:33:04 GMT -6
Post by jimwilliams on Jul 8, 2014 10:33:04 GMT -6
Dumb ass forum set up won't allow deletion nor editing.
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Jul 8, 2014 11:22:29 GMT -6
Post by daviskenn on Jul 8, 2014 11:22:29 GMT -6
If you're logged in, click on the little tool wheel in the right hand corner.
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Jul 8, 2014 11:23:27 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Jul 8, 2014 11:23:27 GMT -6
Dumb ass forum set up won't allow deletion nor editing. gear wheel top right allows me to delete my own posts....? |
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Jul 8, 2014 11:23:55 GMT -6
Post by daviskenn on Jul 8, 2014 11:23:55 GMT -6
And if you want to edit, click the edit button.
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