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Post by vintagelove on Jan 1, 2024 10:41:42 GMT -6
Hello, here is an awesome, easy mod for the Aphex Compellor. I've seen posts from a few folks on this website that have one of these laying around. Figured I would finally sign up and post this. In case you're not familiar, the Aphex stock is an excellent tool as a transparent leveling device, but this mod really opens up the possibilities. What we're doing here is modifying the attack time on the Leveler side. But what's interesting is that up to 60/40 (level/comp) setting, the comp side also responds to the control, and both sides attack/release speed up radically. Now the unit can really shape transients and it adds a ton of apparent volume, without squashing the sound (compared to other units narrowing the peak to RMS gap). It has a great smack on drums as you can hear in the clips. The mod itself is very easy. We're just strapping a 1m stereo pot (mounted on the faceplate near the power switch) across the large resistor that controls the leveling attack (it's 5.6m on most units, on the 320a, which this unit is, it's r123). I also added a switch on the back to interrupt the feed to that pot which returns the unit to stock. With the 1m pot it can go from too fast, to most of the way to the stock setting. The second step of the mod is removing opamp 107, this disables the dynamic verification gate (it is 107 on the 320a, on other models the number might be different, but you can easily find it on the schematic as it's labeled). It makes the unit function much better as a studio comp/level/limit. About the clips. The first thing you'll likely notice is the volume difference. Well, they are all peak matched. The Aphex just really excels at retaining transients while increasing the RMS. The API... it's a great waveshaper, and adds a lot of smack to drums, but it really struggles at times to catch peaks as well as the others. As a result, the track either ended up sounding noticeably quieter, or the attack needed to be set where it really became detrimental to the sound. In the clips, I opted for quieter over sounding bad. Anyway, back to the Aphex. As mentioned, the Aphex excels at retaining transient signals while boosting the RMS. Drums and acoustic guitar in particular. On the acoustic sample, I went very heavy handed, regularly reaching 10db of compression. Despite that, the transients are still clear, while sounding way more up front, and with the body being filled out dramatically. On sources like vocals, let's say compared to an 1176, it's smoother, and does a better job of actually leveling the vocal, but doesn't quite have the same RMS boost of the 1176. The Aphex is an even, leveled signal, while the 1176 is aggressive, and the loud parts, appear even louder because of the increased RMS. Different tools for different jobs... Just speculating, but I suspect the difference in reaction to how it boosts RMS on transient sources, vs leveling less dynamic ones is due to the "dynamic recovery computer" and how it treats more, or less transient signals differently. Remember it's original intent was to level a loud song on the radio (or an excited radio DJ), or to bring up the volume on a quieter song, which very likely would have had more transients. It was designed to react differently to those two situations. Whatever happening, it's a very cool box. So there you go, for 5 bucks in parts, you can turn it from a box that you can’t hear working, into something that competes with, if not beats some of the most popular buss compressors around. Sounds like a good deal to me. Enjoy!!! PS, attached is a little sketch of the mod Attachments:
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 1, 2024 11:08:29 GMT -6
Hello, here is an awesome, easy mod for the Aphex Compellor. I've seen posts from a few folks on this website that have one of these laying around. Figured I would finally sign up and post this. [...] Excellent first post! Welcome to RGO!
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Post by copperx on Jan 1, 2024 12:43:49 GMT -6
Hello, here is an awesome, easy mod for the Aphex Compellor. I've seen posts from a few folks on this website that have one of these laying around. Figured I would finally sign up and post this. [...] Excellent first post! Welcome to RGO! +1 Welcome to the board! The modded unit sounds like a great utilitarian piece. Exactly as you said, it seems to raise the RMS without imparting any character like the API or the SSL. I am curious, have you tried them in series? If you hit the SSL or API lightly, does it affect the Compellor's ability to raise the RMS? Also, is the character of the first unit in the series retained?
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 1, 2024 14:36:35 GMT -6
Excellent first post! Welcome to RGO! +1 Welcome to the board! The modded unit sounds like a great utilitarian piece. Exactly as you said, it seems to raise the RMS without imparting any character like the API or the SSL. I am curious, have you tried them in series? If you hit the SSL or API lightly, does it affect the Compellor's ability to raise the RMS? Also, is the character of the first unit in the series retained? Thanks for the warm welcome guys. With regard to your question... I actually do think it has a strong character in its compression action, as it has a sound none of my other hardware or plugins do.. It make drums smack hard in a unique way when you hit it, or the front end of any transient heavy source pop. Now, you can make it transparent if you just don't whack the hell out of the signal, or just use the compressor side. But if you meant "box tone", I agree, it's pretty clean in that regard. Truthfully, I don't think I've run it in series with other comps. I've run the 2 channels in series pre mod, that gives you more low ratio compression (as the ratio increases the harder you compress)... Hmmmm.... I'm going to revisit that as I'm sure you can do some interesting things now. I'll try the API into it and see if I can get the snap out of the API, but bring up the rms with the Aphex. I'll report back. Take care.
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Post by copperx on Jan 1, 2024 19:30:20 GMT -6
+1 Welcome to the board! The modded unit sounds like a great utilitarian piece. Exactly as you said, it seems to raise the RMS without imparting any character like the API or the SSL. I am curious, have you tried them in series? If you hit the SSL or API lightly, does it affect the Compellor's ability to raise the RMS? Also, is the character of the first unit in the series retained? Thanks for the warm welcome guys. With regard to your question... I actually do think it has a strong character in its compression action, as it has a sound none of my other hardware or plugins do.. It make drums smack hard in a unique way when you hit it, or the front end of any transient heavy source pop. Now, you can make it transparent if you just don't whack the hell out of the signal, or just use the compressor side. But if you meant "box tone", I agree, it's pretty clean in that regard. Truthfully, I don't think I've run it in series with other comps. I've run the 2 channels in series pre mod, that gives you more low ratio compression (as the ratio increases the harder you compress)... Hmmmm.... I'm going to revisit that as I'm sure you can do some interesting things now. I'll try the API into it and see if I can get the snap out of the API, but bring up the rms with the Aphex. I'll report back. Take care.
Yes, I meant box tone. Regarding the compression action, I like how it compresses. Did you come up with the mod? If so, are you planning on doing anything in addition? Are you changing caps or anything else to make it cleaner than stock?
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 1, 2024 20:08:50 GMT -6
Thanks for the warm welcome guys. With regard to your question... I actually do think it has a strong character in its compression action, as it has a sound none of my other hardware or plugins do.. It make drums smack hard in a unique way when you hit it, or the front end of any transient heavy source pop. Now, you can make it transparent if you just don't whack the hell out of the signal, or just use the compressor side. But if you meant "box tone", I agree, it's pretty clean in that regard. Truthfully, I don't think I've run it in series with other comps. I've run the 2 channels in series pre mod, that gives you more low ratio compression (as the ratio increases the harder you compress)... Hmmmm.... I'm going to revisit that as I'm sure you can do some interesting things now. I'll try the API into it and see if I can get the snap out of the API, but bring up the rms with the Aphex. I'll report back. Take care.
Yes, I meant box tone. Regarding the compression action, I like how it compresses. Did you come up with the mod? If so, are you planning on doing anything in addition? Are you changing caps or anything else to make it cleaner than stock?
Hello again. Yes I "figured out" the mod. I'm no great tech, hell... not even a good one, but I have some experience. Basically I noted that the speed control was just parallel'ing a resistor across the 5.6m, so I thought, why not add a pot in there. And as to pulling the opamp. Occasionally you would get a "freezing action" when the levels were less than their historic average, and it would freeze the gain reduction. After a closer look in plugin doctor, it would cause a 1 second pause in the release of both the leveler and the compressor. So that had to go. Thankfully it was as easy as pulling the opamp. I have a pair of Jim Williams modded 651, which are great, so the thought had occurred to me to at least try swapping opamps, but after hearing what it does on drums, I don't want to change that "smack". I don't know to what level the added harmonics are contributing to that, so... I'm going to "leave well enough alone". I like what it does, it's something my other boxes don't do, so I'm going to leave it as is. That being said, after seeing the difference in transparency before and after Jim Williams modded the 651, I could see it working well on the compressor side.
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Post by lowlou on Jan 2, 2024 7:00:07 GMT -6
Welcome ! Is there a version of the Compellor that you recommend over other ? The model in the video being a 320D, is it the one to chase to apply your mod ? Thanks . xxxxx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 7:54:32 GMT -6
Yes, I meant box tone. Regarding the compression action, I like how it compresses. Did you come up with the mod? If so, are you planning on doing anything in addition? Are you changing caps or anything else to make it cleaner than stock?
Hello again. Yes I "figured out" the mod. I'm no great tech, hell... not even a good one, but I have some experience. Basically I noted that the speed control was just parallel'ing a resistor across the 5.6m, so I thought, why not add a pot in there. And as to pulling the opamp. Occasionally you would get a "freezing action" when the levels were less than their historic average, and it would freeze the gain reduction. After a closer look in plugin doctor, it would cause a 1 second pause in the release of both the leveler and the compressor. So that had to go. Thankfully it was as easy as pulling the opamp. I have a pair of Jim Williams modded 651, which are great, so the thought had occurred to me to at least try swapping opamps, but after hearing what it does on drums, I don't want to change that "smack". I don't know to what level the added harmonics are contributing to that, so... I'm going to "leave well enough alone". I like what it does, it's something my other boxes don't do, so I'm going to leave it as is. That being said, after seeing the difference in transparency before and after Jim Williams modded the 651, I could see it working well on the compressor side. yeah dynamic verification gate is fixed hold time like a gate. Holds in compressors are almost universally gross sounding. Now you have a cool, cheap dual threshold compressor. The harmonics of the box can mask those created by the rectification in dirtier older compressors and the modulation side bands. Aphex is pretty low distortion in general though. Any fast peak reduction it is doing is going to be higher than whatever harmonics the circuitry brings. Those harmonics are usually dwarfed by IMD. The same is true with other modern vca compressors like the Smart C2 and the Dangerous. Honestly even a modern design fet compressor (not an 1176!) can be made to only really distort on transients crossing the threshold. These Aphex boxes really show how ignorant the secondary market is. Same with the Drawmer DL241 and DL251.
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 2, 2024 10:42:39 GMT -6
Welcome ! Is there a version of the Compellor that you recommend over other ? The model in the video being a 320D, is it the one to chase to apply your mod ? Thanks . xxxxx Hello, the 320D was just the picture I used. Somewhere in the description it says the model I did it on is the 320a. If I were looking to buy one, and to get this particular sound, that is the one I would go with. I say that because on that model, there is a change to the circuit which affects the timing for low frequency material. But... If I already had one, I would still do the mod. For some things, it might even work better as the older models had a higher maximum compression ratio. Hope that helps.
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Post by enlav on Jan 3, 2024 10:51:11 GMT -6
Hope you guys don't mind me piggy-backing on this conversation - is Jim Williams still the go-to for Aphex repairs? This topic has certainly piqued my interest, but I realized I shelved my 320a due to some issues I've been too lazy to address.
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 4, 2024 15:49:28 GMT -6
Hope you guys don't mind me piggy-backing on this conversation - is Jim Williams still the go-to for Aphex repairs? This topic has certainly piqued my interest, but I realized I shelved my 320a due to some issues I've been too lazy to address. I don't know if he is much into doing repairs, I could be wrong... but there is a guy on YouTube who has videos of himself servicing a few compellors (just search Aphex Compellor repair). Might be worth reaching out to him as he has experience and understands the circuit well. I can't say anything about his reliability etc...
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Post by wiz on Jan 5, 2024 15:11:10 GMT -6
I had a compellor 320D which was modified by Revive Audio. I used it mainly for its widening effect on backing vocal bus….
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 16:30:03 GMT -6
Hello, here is an awesome, easy mod for the Aphex Compellor. I've seen posts from a few folks on this website that have one of these laying around. Figured I would finally sign up and post this. In case you're not familiar, the Aphex stock is an excellent tool as a transparent leveling device, but this mod really opens up the possibilities. What we're doing here is modifying the attack time on the Leveler side. But what's interesting is that up to 60/40 (level/comp) setting, the comp side also responds to the control, and both sides attack/release speed up radically. Now the unit can really shape transients and it adds a ton of apparent volume, without squashing the sound (compared to other units narrowing the peak to RMS gap). It has a great smack on drums as you can hear in the clips. The mod itself is very easy. We're just strapping a 1m stereo pot (mounted on the faceplate near the power switch) across the large resistor that controls the leveling attack (it's 5.6m on most units, on the 320a, which this unit is, it's r123). I also added a switch on the back to interrupt the feed to that pot which returns the unit to stock. With the 1m pot it can go from too fast, to most of the way to the stock setting. The second step of the mod is removing opamp 107, this disables the dynamic verification gate (it is 107 on the 320a, on other models the number might be different, but you can easily find it on the schematic as it's labeled). It makes the unit function much better as a studio comp/level/limit. About the clips. The first thing you'll likely notice is the volume difference. Well, they are all peak matched. The Aphex just really excels at retaining transients while increasing the RMS. The API... it's a great waveshaper, and adds a lot of smack to drums, but it really struggles at times to catch peaks as well as the others. As a result, the track either ended up sounding noticeably quieter, or the attack needed to be set where it really became detrimental to the sound. In the clips, I opted for quieter over sounding bad. Anyway, back to the Aphex. As mentioned, the Aphex excels at retaining transient signals while boosting the RMS. Drums and acoustic guitar in particular. On the acoustic sample, I went very heavy handed, regularly reaching 10db of compression. Despite that, the transients are still clear, while sounding way more up front, and with the body being filled out dramatically. On sources like vocals, let's say compared to an 1176, it's smoother, and does a better job of actually leveling the vocal, but doesn't quite have the same RMS boost of the 1176. The Aphex is an even, leveled signal, while the 1176 is aggressive, and the loud parts, appear even louder because of the increased RMS. Different tools for different jobs... Just speculating, but I suspect the difference in reaction to how it boosts RMS on transient sources, vs leveling less dynamic ones is due to the "dynamic recovery computer" and how it treats more, or less transient signals differently. Remember it's original intent was to level a loud song on the radio (or an excited radio DJ), or to bring up the volume on a quieter song, which very likely would have had more transients. It was designed to react differently to those two situations. Whatever happening, it's a very cool box. So there you go, for 5 bucks in parts, you can turn it from a box that you can’t hear working, into something that competes with, if not beats some of the most popular buss compressors around. Sounds like a good deal to me. Enjoy!!! PS, attached is a little sketch of the mod the Aphex sounds so much better than the ssl and api it’s not my funny. Those two are like watching black and white tv through an antenna versus HD.
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Post by Ward on Jan 5, 2024 17:10:19 GMT -6
Galdangit . . . I'm just letting my 320a sit there and could have that? Damnit. THANK YOU!!
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 6, 2024 5:09:25 GMT -6
Glad to hear people like it as much as I do. Fwiw, I'm running these clips at the +8 setting and hitting it hard. The drive is usually between 8 and 10, and the output between 0 and 2. This is of course to whack the hell out of things. For something subtle/transparent, I'd back the drive off considerably, and raise the output.
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Post by andtide on Oct 7, 2024 7:35:42 GMT -6
Glad to hear people like it as much as I do. Fwiw, I'm running these clips at the +8 setting and hitting it hard. The drive is usually between 8 and 10, and the output between 0 and 2. This is of course to whack the hell out of things. For something subtle/transparent, I'd back the drive off considerably, and raise the output. OMGGGGG I am so happy I found this thread! I am loving how great the 651 is.. and cheap. I just bought... 5.... And now I must have the compellor for this modification: As I do appreciate the stock version as well for weird stuff- if it can be a great utility bus comp for smack my quality of life just shot through the roof. I would be forever grateful if you wanna share or DM me any pics of the unit- I can see the jumpers on each resistor on the YT image, but curious on where you put that pot!
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Post by vintagelove on Oct 7, 2024 23:06:46 GMT -6
Glad to hear people like it as much as I do. Fwiw, I'm running these clips at the +8 setting and hitting it hard. The drive is usually between 8 and 10, and the output between 0 and 2. This is of course to whack the hell out of things. For something subtle/transparent, I'd back the drive off considerably, and raise the output. OMGGGGG I am so happy I found this thread! I am loving how great the 651 is.. and cheap. I just bought... 5.... And now I must have the compellor for this modification: As I do appreciate the stock version as well for weird stuff- if it can be a great utility bus comp for smack my quality of life just shot through the roof. I would be forever grateful if you wanna share or DM me any pics of the unit- I can see the jumpers on each resistor on the YT image, but curious on where you put that pot! Hello, I would be happy to help, but I really can't promise a photo right now. It's racked up, and I don't know when I can get to it. But... There's good news. There's only one place it can go. That's next to the power button. The main pcb extends pretty much the whole length, but it stops short, just enough room to get a pot in there (not a tight squeeze, just not really any other practical place to put it. Just make sure to measure the space and get a small enough pot. Mine was a pcb mount that I just soldered to the legs. Hope that helps.
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