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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 13, 2024 18:35:36 GMT -6
My wife sent me this link, said she found it on Instagram, apparently it is music created using a new app called Udio (like audio without the a). If I heard it on the radio, I'd have no clue that it was "composed" and "performed" by an AI algorithm. www.udio.com/songs/coixNX1gnJ1oWT8z2LQddkor here: Maybe it's an April fools trick, but if not, it's dang impressive. -Chris |
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Post by rowmat on Apr 13, 2024 19:18:06 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2024 19:40:58 GMT -6
That’s depressing. Just skipped around, but that’s the most realistic one I’ve heard. I just had my iPhone to my ear so couldn’t really tell sonically - but sounded like you could still hear like
Computery stuff/artifacts…but if I hadn’t have know, I don’t think I would have clocked it.
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Post by ericn on Apr 13, 2024 20:00:33 GMT -6
We are entering an interesting age, the lack of computer power was for ever what kept people from attempting a deep fake, now while the horse power might not be there to do it perfectly you can find the tools so any idiot can try.
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Post by drbill on Apr 13, 2024 20:12:41 GMT -6
Udio text prompters are the next level "songwriters".....
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Post by trappist on Apr 13, 2024 21:13:16 GMT -6
I have yet to hear a sampled solo oboe, saxophone, violin or clarinet in all three octaves sound human.
Clarinet timbre between octaves and artistic oboe, saxophone and violin solo vibrato has been laughable knowing what those instruments are supposed to sound like.
Most likely detectable to artist level players, listeners and recording engineers listening during all forms of musical expression.
Will it matter to the back-ground listening public? ….Nope, probably not.
Will it matter to the Record Labels or Film Studio’s? …. absolutely NOT
I’m in trouble if a Broadway Show can exist with AI produced shows.
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 13, 2024 22:22:04 GMT -6
Sonically, it sounds a bit low-res, like maybe an older MP3 or something - but if it was just on in the background somewhere and I wasn't listening in full focus, I probably wouldn't have noticed. The lyrics are quite good, musically it's somehow compelling (to me). Overall, to my ears, it's "human" sounding even though the "writing" is algorithmically generated. "Bright blue hair" might not be my thing, but it sounds like it might connect with someone else.
-Chris
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 13, 2024 22:27:49 GMT -6
This one is similarly believable. AI's gonna be able to fool us all at some point |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 13, 2024 22:58:09 GMT -6
That’s depressing. Just skipped around, but that’s the most realistic one I’ve heard. I just had my iPhone to my ear so couldn’t really tell sonically - but sounded like you could still hear like Computery stuff/artifacts…but if I hadn’t have know, I don’t think I would have clocked it. Maybe I'm being a bit more positive lately but I think this opens back up the opportunity for less than perfect, trial & error, more emotionally connecting, stranger, complex and chaotic writing in general. Logically speaking without the ability to feel an AI can't really create that, if it gets to that stage then I think we've got bigger issues than music.
It's a shame about the front running genre types and whilst I have a lot of respect for it personally it's become too cookie cutter or repetitive to grab me. I've either played the 70's / 80's original styles to death or I skip through modern tracks / play it as background music. Then once in a while something off the beaten track shows up and I'm like yeah, this is cool (until I play it too many times and get bored of it again).
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Post by ml on Apr 14, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -6
Yea it’s here, lots of YouTube videos about how to get your AI generated songs on Spotify. Makes you wonder if the streaming services can handle the influx, since there’s already been a lot of complaining about the amount of songs being ingested each day.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 14, 2024 7:20:00 GMT -6
They’re working on an AI that will listen to music for you.
It will let you know if you liked it or not and whether you want it to listen to more music in a similar genre or try new music.
It’s going to free up a lot of your time for other hobbies and interests.
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Post by trappist on Apr 14, 2024 8:12:46 GMT -6
They’re working on an AI that will listen to music for you. It will let you know if you liked it or not and whether you want it to listen to more music in a similar genre or try new music. It’s going to free up a lot of your time for other hobbies and interests. It’s named Siri…. |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 14, 2024 8:43:52 GMT -6
They’re working on an AI that will listen to music for you. It will let you know if you liked it or not and whether you want it to listen to more music in a similar genre or try new music. It’s going to free up a lot of your time for other hobbies and interests. That sounds like a Red Dwarf joke, conversations are pointless because the AI already knows what you're going to say. Then it proceeds to destroy half the ship with inefficient repairs because that's what Rimmer would do. |
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Post by lowlou on Apr 14, 2024 9:07:10 GMT -6
This is so deeply depressing.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 14, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -6
This is so deeply depressing. Don't be depressed, it's no threat to anyone who's truly creative. No matter how good these AI tracks try to get they sound like generic boring drivel. Put in "write a lyric about a 60's character in London" and an AI will churn out something that sounds a bit like Maggie May with "subtle" differences. Because the AI goes on what's been done - it's not actually creative - in fact it's the exact opposite. Creativity - true creativity - isn't a function of "intelligence" it comes from the heart and the soul and from the juxtaposition of unique personal ideas and unique human emotional word associations and lyrical meter tied to the very beating of your heart. Creativity is both magical and mystical at the same time. An AI as a songwriter is like an awful parlour toy. I hope this "elevator drivel" continues to flow because then composers like myself will stand out more - not less. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 14, 2024 12:31:19 GMT -6
This is so deeply depressing. Don't be depressed, it's no threat to anyone who's truly creative. No matter how good these AI tracks try to get they sound like generic boring drivel. Put in "write a lyric about a 60's character in London" and an AI will churn out something that sounds a bit like Maggie May with "subtle" differences. Because the AI goes on what's been done - it's not actually creative - in fact it's the exact opposite. Creativity - true creativity - isn't a function of "intelligence" it comes from the heart and the soul and from the juxtaposition of unique personal ideas and unique human emotional word associations and lyrical meter tied to the very beating of your heart. Creativity is both magical and mystical at the same time. An AI as a songwriter is like an awful parlour toy. I hope this "elevator drivel" continues to flow because then composers like myself will stand out more - not less. my friend is trying this with metal. It makes basic riffless clone bands with a commercial production pretty much instantly. So exactly like 99% of the dreck the majors distribute and later middling trivial efforts from established artists. The comebacks were almost all awful.
Of course ai would never come with stuff as weird as early Morbid angel or Emperor, who sound neither like any bands prior to them nor the metal artists they said they were listening to at the time. it would just rip off the prior art changing it just enough to not be legal theft but it is moral theft.
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 14, 2024 13:30:30 GMT -6
Check out Suno. Want some EDM swamp blues? Anti-folk big band? Punk polka? You got it.
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Post by lowlou on Apr 15, 2024 8:40:00 GMT -6
www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-for-music-1234982307/Some wanna-be-trillionaires are currently developing very disruptive tools. They don't want to say it, but composers are being "replaced" behind closed curtains. Makers are to become consumers it seems. There is very little art left when there is no craft or effort involved in the making of an art piece. Some of the french conceptual art drifts show that, to some extent. I like some of it, but ultimately I happily come back to 20th century painters. It feels like home. Art that connects to Life, humans, is soothing. I digress but in any case, I don't think Music can grow/expand/thrive in the same direction conceptual art does. I'm afraid a craft-less Music has very little intrinsic meaning & value. Brian Eno auto-generative conceptual albums/app are fun in isolation, as an experiment, but I wouldn't listen to it for too long. Actually, I listened to it once and moved on. But it's still an interesting work, because it's pushing the barrier of what's possible to do in music, it's a corner-case, but still the result of an artistic path. And for that it's commendable. It feels like art, pushing the envelope. It IS Art. Same thing goes for Richard Devine auto-generated modular synth music. Modular synth music wouldn't exist without the operator patching the modules on a uniquely curated system and manually impulsing the changes. Now... "Prompt engineering" as some like to call it, I'm not sure it's the same thing. It feels more like gambling on a cash machine, isn't it ? It doesn't exactly triggers the same parts of the brain I think lol. "We can't stop it", some say. "Where is the sand ?", my head asks !
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Post by lowlou on Apr 15, 2024 9:39:23 GMT -6
I tried it for fifteen minutes, doing a few stupid prompts, and so yes IMHO it's going to be a major disruption for human composers going forward.
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Post by drbill on Apr 15, 2024 9:55:45 GMT -6
The real problem - if there is one - for AI generated music is copyright. Music production companies are already stipulating "NO AI GENERATED MUSIC" as they know that copyright issues go hand in hand with it. The laws need to catch up quickly, or we will end up in a quagmire far worse than the ones we are already bogged down in. Already much of my catalog has been tapped to "train AI" bots. Who owns that upcoming creation that some of my greedy publishers sold to train bots?
How will it end up? Who knows, but 100% for sure it will be poised to destroy the human creatives, while making 100's of millions for the tech crew. Anyone who has their head buried in the sand thinking AI cannot do what they can creatively has not been paying attention. All of us who call ourselves "creatives" are the sums of the music we have heard since birth. Our creative muse has been "trained" by those who came before us, and mixed in with whatever DNA is pointing us towards. AI is not much different than that.....
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 15, 2024 10:43:44 GMT -6
How will it end up? Who knows, but 100% for sure it will be poised to destroy the human creatives, while making 100's of millions for the tech crew. Anyone who has their head buried in the sand thinking AI cannot do what they can creatively has not been paying attention. All of us who call ourselves "creatives" are the sums of the music we have heard since birth. Our creative muse has been "trained" by those who came before us, and mixed in with whatever DNA is pointing us towards. AI is not much different than that..... Sums of experience and music I'd say, I was walking down the street and heard someone clattering on some bins which sparked an interesting idea. Not saying it was a good one but sometimes even a car indicator can spark something due to rhythm alone. Then for me mood is triggered usually by memory or situation which often sets the timbre.. This is outside the confines of professional writing though and in those regards I sympathise, yeah it sucks but even then what's the difference today? I'm honestly asking. We have an onslaught of material mathematically devised to hit the most amount of streams whilst tens if not hundreds of millions of tracks (maybe more) flounder within the void. So AI adds to the ever overflowing pile and what? Unless you're in the right circle or have a massive social media advertisement budget what's changed? As someone just writing songs and wanting to play live, nothing has changed for me. I'm an outsider looking in, the expectancy of anything successful dissolved when the internet went into full swing. The one benefit I have over AI is arms and legs, so playing live should still be a fun thing to do. Also it would be interesting if AI could deliver something like Opeth which is I guess popular within its niche but certainly different.
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Post by mythundreamt on Apr 15, 2024 13:38:53 GMT -6
Also it would be interesting if AI could deliver something like Opeth which is I guess popular within its niche but certainly different.
Upvote for Opeth reference |
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Post by M57 on Apr 15, 2024 14:55:50 GMT -6
What about the recording is AI? Everything? The lyrics, the changes, the melodies, the voices, the instruments, the mix. Everything?? And what prompts are necessary to get it to where it's at?
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Post by lowlou on Apr 15, 2024 15:27:41 GMT -6
What prompts are necessary to get it to where it's at? --> It doesn't need much. A few words !
Ask for "a trippy trance track with dogs barking, seagulls calls and a talkbox" for example and it will probably generate something potent.
I don't know how the AI creates the audio output (& I think the developers don't quite know it themselves). It's probably been trained on waveforms ; program materials (human work). I guess the AI creates the waveform from thin air, based on the prompt. Sample by sample...?
The audio output quality : It's good enough that it frightens me. The voices are ok. The harmonies, the structures, also kinda ok. Not game changing, but average. The tracks sound like a low bitrate file, but I'm pretty sure they're working on making it sound better. And as investors inject millions and millions of dollars into these techs, sure enough they will improve quickly, with no safeguard in place, no regulation, no ethical concerns etc.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 15, 2024 15:29:42 GMT -6
How will it end up? Who knows, but 100% for sure it will be poised to destroy the human creatives, while making 100's of millions for the tech crew. Anyone who has their head buried in the sand thinking AI cannot do what they can creatively has not been paying attention. All of us who call ourselves "creatives" are the sums of the music we have heard since birth. Our creative muse has been "trained" by those who came before us, and mixed in with whatever DNA is pointing us towards. AI is not much different than that..... Sums of experience and music I'd say, I was walking down the street and heard someone clattering on some bins which sparked an interesting idea. Not saying it was a good one but sometimes even a car indicator can spark something due to rhythm alone. Then for me mood is triggered usually by memory or situation which often sets the timbre.. This is outside the confines of professional writing though and in those regards I sympathise, yeah it sucks but even then what's the difference today? I'm honestly asking. We have an onslaught of material mathematically devised to hit the most amount of streams whilst tens if not hundreds of millions of tracks (maybe more) flounder within the void. So AI adds to the ever overflowing pile and what? Unless you're in the right circle or have a massive social media advertisement budget what's changed? As someone just writing songs and wanting to play live, nothing has changed for me. I'm an outsider looking in, the expectancy of anything successful dissolved when the internet went into full swing. The one benefit I have over AI is arms and legs, so playing live should still be a fun thing to do. Also it would be interesting if AI could deliver something like Opeth which is I guess popular within its niche but certainly different.
Arms and legs make for a much more compelling live show typically. |
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