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Post by Dan on Jun 3, 2024 15:21:13 GMT -6
I just picked up Arbiter. Now to see how it stacks up against Weiss deesser. I like Weiss a lot, but Arbiter beat it on my last attempt. The Weiss has a sound from the filters and how it compresses with attack/release before threshold and a very short forced hold that adds distortion. Crank the preview and hold and it just ducks the sibilants instead of compressing them.
Arbiter sounds invisible to me like a threshold-less Nova GE.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 11, 2024 10:31:48 GMT -6
I used Arbiter in a master I worked on yesterday. It really did a great job as a deesser without the usual lispy artifacts. I'm sold. Glad I bought it... even at full price.
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Post by Oneiro on Jun 11, 2024 22:38:08 GMT -6
The whole suite of TDR filters is one of the best plug-in purchases I’ve ever made. On almost every mix these days.
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Post by ragan on Nov 19, 2024 1:17:33 GMT -6
Grabbed the filters bundle, mostly because I've always meant to come back and get Arbiter, but knowing TDR, I will like the other filters too.
Man Arbiter really is so good for de-essing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2024 4:38:27 GMT -6
Better than fab filter ?
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Post by Dan on Nov 19, 2024 8:38:20 GMT -6
Yes. All of TDR’s dynamics processing is far better than Fabfilter’s, who usually throw everything at the wall and hope sh1t sticks. The full range of the knobs in TDR dynamics work which is rare in a plugin. A lot of others, which might be otherwise good plugins, break down. The new PSP Flare, the attack beneath 5 ms or so pretty much lets the transient through unless you play around with the lookahead and pray it works. Others like most 1176 emulations or that new complimiter one are pretty much totally dysfunctional. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 19, 2024 8:51:52 GMT -6
The fabfilter plugins let you set lookaheads far too long which will duck the past and hold down the audio based on the future rather than smooth out the attack envelope a bit at the expense of slightly premature compression like a short lookahead will.
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Post by ragan on Nov 19, 2024 9:57:14 GMT -6
On the vocals I'm working on right now, yeah. Arbiter is probably the most natural thing I've ever heard for de-essing. |
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Post by octalsocket on Nov 19, 2024 10:02:14 GMT -6
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Post by copperx on Nov 19, 2024 10:51:20 GMT -6
Do you find the detection to be better? I prefer Arbiter on wideband mode for dressing. Seems to be similar in concept? |
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Post by octalsocket on Nov 19, 2024 12:49:32 GMT -6
Do you find the detection to be better? I prefer Arbiter on wideband mode for dressing. Seems to be similar in concept? The “detector” works by looking for that dense wave shape that sibilance is, rather than detecting an abundance of the chosen frequency in the audio spectrum. In the few weeks I’ve had it, it has never missed an “SSS,” and has on rare occasions, detected on something like a sharp “T” sound or the like, which was also helpful. |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 19, 2024 14:17:38 GMT -6
Do you find the detection to be better? I prefer Arbiter on wideband mode for dressing. Seems to be similar in concept? The “detector” works by looking for that dense wave shape that sibilance is, rather than detecting an abundance of the chosen frequency in the audio spectrum. In the few weeks I’ve had it, it has never missed an “SSS,” and has on rare occasions, detected on something like a sharp “T” sound or the like, which was also helpful. Does it really work as simply as it seems? Their YouTube short with the woman singing is amazing. |
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Post by octalsocket on Nov 19, 2024 21:25:57 GMT -6
The “detector” works by looking for that dense wave shape that sibilance is, rather than detecting an abundance of the chosen frequency in the audio spectrum. In the few weeks I’ve had it, it has never missed an “SSS,” and has on rare occasions, detected on something like a sharp “T” sound or the like, which was also helpful. Does it really work as simply as it seems? Their YouTube short with the woman singing is amazing. Surprisingly, yes. There is a demo period, I believe. $50, the last time I checked. |
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Post by doubledog on Nov 19, 2024 23:04:52 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2024 3:09:18 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible)
Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin?
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Post by doubledog on Nov 20, 2024 8:16:39 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible) Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin? I do it manually about 90% of the time. Same for plosives (although I do generally have a HPF EQ on there first). If I'm lazy, or if the singer was Slytherin, then I might use a plugin. |
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Post by seawell on Nov 20, 2024 8:19:46 GMT -6
Just starting to demo this but I'm liking this a lot so far. Thanks, hadn't heard of it yet. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 20, 2024 14:27:02 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible) Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin? Manual plus Arbiter. Actually other way around. I do Arbiter gently and then manually do anything that still stands out. |
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Post by christophert on Nov 20, 2024 14:39:19 GMT -6
Just starting to demo this but I'm liking this a lot so far. Thanks, hadn't heard of it yet. This will be an excellent addition to Arbiter - like a lot of audio processing, sometimes it is better to de ess in 2 stages (and sometimes 3 when it is a screaming rock track) I prefer to use two different de essers to do this. Arbiter is such an amazing studio tool - and so are all of the TDR plug ins. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 20, 2024 15:41:49 GMT -6
I forget about having this thing! Thanks for the reminder. It's great.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2024 17:21:19 GMT -6
I went to have a look at Arbiter.
They obviously have admired Fab Filters GUI’s!
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Post by aremos on Nov 20, 2024 22:45:14 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible) Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin? On my own vocals, always.
Otherwise, Waves Sibilance does a good job.
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Post by Dan on Nov 21, 2024 8:35:09 GMT -6
What’s really funny is if you’re at single sample rates, something like Arbiter, Nova, or Weiss is cleaner and faster than your fingers.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 21, 2024 10:27:33 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible) Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin? I have done it manually for years, I’m going to demo this as I’m starting to think this plug might be a more transparent option than me selecting and grabbing an S with clip gain and pulling it down?, which pulls everything about the vox down, these are theoretically more frequency specific and that seems a good idea to me as long as it’s performed in a linear phase-ish operation for transparency? |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 21, 2024 14:46:37 GMT -6
On my own vocals I always go the extra mile and manually de-ess (which is truly invisible) Does anyone ever do manual de-easing or do you guys always automate with a plugin? I have done it manually for years, I’m going to demo this as I’m starting to think this plug might be a more transparent option than me selecting and grabbing an S with clip gain and pulling it down?, which pulls everything about the vox down, these are theoretically more frequency specific and that seems a good idea to me as long as it’s performed in a linear phase-ish operation for transparency? My manual de-easing entails manually applying an EQ rather than pulling down the level which can make the vocals a bit lispy. An EQ always works perfectly for me. |
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