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Post by kumoparty on Sept 24, 2024 17:53:43 GMT -6
I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post. I'm glad to be here. Its definitely my favorite place to lurk  JLM FC78 Audioscape 78 Overstayer SFE IGS Volfram I know the Overstayer is slightly more feature packed, outside of that, has anyone had experience with all of these compressors and can speak to their merits or differences over the others? |
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Post by phdamage on Sept 24, 2024 18:20:26 GMT -6
Paging Dan for Daking options
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Post by dok on Sept 24, 2024 20:09:26 GMT -6
Drawmer 1978 too, has been on my list for quite a while
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Post by Dan on Sept 24, 2024 20:44:42 GMT -6
I wouldn't buy any compressor just because it uses a specific kind of variable resistor or voltage controlled amplifier. I would buy one only for its specific behavior that you know you want.
Why does it have to be a FET? VCAs and digital are more consistent and logarithmic for better behavior and now a few manufacturers make discrete linear vcas themselves to emulate past compressors more consistently, more stable, and cleanly.
I'm sure what you mentioned are all fine if they are built half decently as are the aforementioned Dakings and Drawmers. There's also the Crane Song STC-8, Elysias, Smart C2 with the poke and crush, various diode bridges to give you that pokey snare and thud bass, etc.
ITB there are the Tokyo Dawn Kotelnikov and Molot you can get on sale for pretty cheap and the Goodhertz Faraday and Vulf that are not cheap and all can be pretty aggressive and shape peaks. The Glue is a classic and the new PSP Impressor is really good especially if you hit it's FAT mode 16x sidechain oversampling. If you know how to set Unisum to not be totally smoothed out, you can make it almost sound like a Distressor. The Fuse VCL-373 is an aggressive pumpy monster. The Weiss DS1 is its own weird thing and can overshoot hard and do this insane thing to the resonant heads of drums if you set it right.
MJUC is a cheap and flexible classic but outside of mk I smashing stuff with HQ on, you might want to control the peaks beforehand. It's 24 euros so if you don't have that or anything, I would get that and it can do a lot of sounds and sounds cool with easy to understand controls.
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 24, 2024 21:04:01 GMT -6
Makes sense. Perhaps stereo 1176/1178 would have been a more appropriate title. I love that sound. The Volfram, SFE, and JLM all nod to 1176/1178 without being exact replicas. So, I'm curious to how they compare. I included the Audioscape because I've used an 1178 so its a familiar comparison point. And ya, Drawmer, Daking too I suppose.
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Post by copperx on Sept 24, 2024 22:09:06 GMT -6
Add the Lindell 77X-500 to the list, a stereo 1176 clone.
And the Daking FET III.
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Post by deaconblues on Sept 25, 2024 7:45:32 GMT -6
Welcome!
Have you considered a matched pair of the WesAudio ng76s?
LOTS of coloration options plus digital recall.
I haven't cork-sniffed all of the varieties of FET comps, but these sound good to me.
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 25, 2024 13:50:27 GMT -6
Thanks! I hadn't considered the WesAudio or the Lindell 77X-500. Wes looks great other than the rack space demands. Lindell looks like a great affordable option. Thanks for the suggestions. The list grows...
JLM FC78
Audioscape 78
Overstayer SFE
IGS Volfram
Drawmer 1978
WesAudio ng76
Lindell 77X-500
Daking FET III
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Post by ericn on Sept 25, 2024 18:09:25 GMT -6
Thanks! I hadn't considered the WesAudio or the Lindell 77X-500. Wes looks great other than the rack space demands. Lindell looks like a great affordable option. Thanks for the suggestions. The list grows... JLM FC78 Audioscape 78 Overstayer SFE IGS Volfram Drawmer 1978 WesAudio ng76 Lindell 77X-500 Daking FET III Also take a look at Linkable mono fets. |
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 25, 2024 18:16:36 GMT -6
Options overload! Has anyone had experience with the JLM or the IGS?
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Post by copperx on Sept 26, 2024 0:03:36 GMT -6
Thanks! I hadn't considered the WesAudio or the Lindell 77X-500. Wes looks great other than the rack space demands. Lindell looks like a great affordable option. Thanks for the suggestions. The list grows... JLM FC78 Audioscape 78 Overstayer SFE IGS Volfram Drawmer 1978 WesAudio ng76 Lindell 77X-500 Daking FET III Also take a look at Linkable mono fets. Speaking of linkable units, are there any mono 1176s that are stereo linkable, besides the Wesaudio? |
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 26, 2024 14:41:56 GMT -6
Also take a look at Linkable mono fets. Speaking of linkable units, are there any mono 1176s that are stereo linkable, besides the Wesaudio? Hairball has a kit |
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Post by ericn on Sept 26, 2024 15:32:23 GMT -6
Also take a look at Linkable mono fets. Speaking of linkable units, are there any mono 1176s that are stereo linkable, besides the Wesaudio? All the Purple’s! |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 27, 2024 1:46:22 GMT -6
I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post. I'm glad to be here. Its definitely my favorite place to lurk JLM FC78 Audioscape 78 Overstayer SFE IGS Volfram I know the Overstayer is slightly more feature packed, outside of that, has anyone had experience with all of these compressors and can speak to their merits or differences over the others? The stand out is the Audioscape 1178. Because the stand out is an 1178. You can track vocals with it, bass with it, acoustic guitar, piano, OH .... well just about anything that's a musical signal! And then you can use it to mix those signals or as a stereo bus compressor over drums OH's, Piano OH's etc. Personally, I wouldn't put it on the stereo mix bus .... which is good news as you then get to pain over which VCA and Vari-MU compressor you should buy next |
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Post by kelk on Sept 27, 2024 2:44:23 GMT -6
I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post. I'm glad to be here. Its definitely my favorite place to lurk JLM FC78 Audioscape 78 Overstayer SFE IGS Volfram I know the Overstayer is slightly more feature packed, outside of that, has anyone had experience with all of these compressors and can speak to their merits or differences over the others? The stand out is the Audioscape 1178. Because the stand out is an 1178. You can track vocals with it, bass with it, acoustic guitar, piano, OH .... well just about anything that's a musical signal! And then you can use it to mix those signals or as a stereo bus compressor over drums OH's, Piano OH's etc. Personally, I would put it on the stereo mix bus .... which is good news as you then get to pain over which VCA and Vari-MU compressor you should buy next +1
I believe Phill Brown frequently uses a 1178 on stereo mix bus.. That man has some ears.
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 27, 2024 13:49:18 GMT -6
The stand out is the Audioscape 1178. Because the stand out is an 1178. You can track vocals with it, bass with it, acoustic guitar, piano, OH .... well just about anything that's a musical signal! And then you can use it to mix those signals or as a stereo bus compressor over drums OH's, Piano OH's etc. Personally, I would put it on the stereo mix bus .... which is good news as you then get to pain over which VCA and Vari-MU compressor you should buy next +1
I believe Phill Brown frequently uses a 1178 on stereo mix bus.. That man has some ears.
The 1178 is the only one I've worked with myself. I loved it. The main reason I started this thread was to see how these other comps compare to an 1178. I'm particularly interested in how the Overstayer compares. I'd love to hear about that. And eek! the VCA pain is real. I'm putting that one aside for now. For Vari-MU, as soon as I get flush I plan on a Thermionic and a Gyraf and hope to leave it at that |
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Post by skav on Sept 27, 2024 14:30:26 GMT -6
+1
I believe Phill Brown frequently uses a 1178 on stereo mix bus.. That man has some ears.
The 1178 is the only one I've worked with myself. I loved it. The main reason I started this thread was to see how these other comps compare to an 1178. I'm particularly interested in how the Overstayer compares. I'd love to hear about that. And eek! the VCA pain is real. I'm putting that one aside for now. For Vari-MU, as soon as I get flush I plan on a Thermionic and a Gyraf and hope to leave it at that You can get a refurbished AS78 now at www.audio-scape.com/refurbishedThey might go quick. |
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 27, 2024 16:41:04 GMT -6
I saw that. I'm not in too much of a rush. It did give me pause for a minute though |
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Post by robo on Sept 28, 2024 10:03:47 GMT -6
There’s a used Overstayer SFE in the classifieds right now. I had the early half-rack version and it was a great sounding box. Cool sounding drive for sure.
I don’t think it does dual mono, so that’s an advantage of others. I think the 1178 clones are going to have less overt color than the OS. I have the Daking Fet III and if you want classy/clean control, that’s an amazing box. It won’t pump like an 1178 though.
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Post by Dan on Sept 28, 2024 10:17:28 GMT -6
There’s a used Overstayer SFE in the classifieds right now. I had the early half-rack version and it was a great sounding box. Cool sounding drive for sure. I don’t think it does dual mono, so that’s an advantage of others. I think the 1178 clones are going to have less overt color than the OS. I have the Daking Fet III and if you want classy/clean control, that’s an amazing box. It won’t pump like an 1178 though. yes it’s a better compressor than an 1176 but maybe not as fast for pure peak control but the 1176 also doesn’t release fast enough and would benefit from a faster non-linear release when suppressing peaks. Most people use the 1176 as a dirt box so ymmv |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 28, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -6
+1
I believe Phill Brown frequently uses a 1178 on stereo mix bus.. That man has some ears.
The 1178 is the only one I've worked with myself. I loved it. The main reason I started this thread was to see how these other comps compare to an 1178. I'm particularly interested in how the Overstayer compares. I'd love to hear about that. And eek! the VCA pain is real. I'm putting that one aside for now. For Vari-MU, as soon as I get flush I plan on a Thermionic and a Gyraf and hope to leave it at that My stereo bus chain is an RMS755 (VCA) > Thermionic Phoenix MP > Thermionic Swift (tube stereo EQ) I really dig the Phoenix on the stereo bus (doubles up for drum bus duties too especially parallel comp) and it's brilliant for tracking too - it's one of the best vocal and bass tracking compressors I've used. Maybe grab a Thermionic Phoenix first? (I see then standard unit second at times) |
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 28, 2024 12:02:27 GMT -6
There’s a used Overstayer SFE in the classifieds right now. I had the early half-rack version and it was a great sounding box. Cool sounding drive for sure. I don’t think it does dual mono, so that’s an advantage of others. I think the 1178 clones are going to have less overt color than the OS. I have the Daking Fet III and if you want classy/clean control, that’s an amazing box. It won’t pump like an 1178 though. Thanks for the heads up! Classy clean/control sounds about right. I don't need it to pump. There was a certain open sheen to the 1178 that I like. I'll take a closer look at the Daking. I've had my eye on the Swift too. I love that chain. The Thermionic gear is expensive! I'm pretty sure I want to save for the MP. But, you make a good point. Rather than spending my money on less costly pieces, I could save up for my dream stuff. |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 28, 2024 12:27:26 GMT -6
There’s a used Overstayer SFE in the classifieds right now. I had the early half-rack version and it was a great sounding box. Cool sounding drive for sure. I don’t think it does dual mono, so that’s an advantage of others. I think the 1178 clones are going to have less overt color than the OS. I have the Daking Fet III and if you want classy/clean control, that’s an amazing box. It won’t pump like an 1178 though. Thanks for the heads up! Classy clean/control sounds about right. I don't need it to pump. There was a certain open sheen to the 1178 that I like. I'll take a closer look at the Daking. I've had my eye on the Swift too. I love that chain. The Thermionic gear is expensive! I'm pretty sure I want to save for the MP. But, you make a good point. Rather than spending my money on less costly pieces, I could save up for my dream stuff. Compared to some around these parts .... I don't really have that much hardware but what I do have is the good stuff, so that's been my approach over the 25 years it's taken me to put my rig together .... quality over quantity. Also, pieces that can do double duty - tracking and mixing. |
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Post by kumoparty on Sept 28, 2024 13:54:47 GMT -6
Compared to some around these parts .... I don't really have that much hardware but what I do have is the good stuff, so that's been my approach over the 25 years it's taken me to put my rig together .... quality over quantity. Also, pieces that can do double duty - tracking and mixing. Ya, its starting to sink in that this is the way for me too. It keeps my head clear, my approach focused, and my sound sweet. It will take some discipline and some trial and error but it feels right. |
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Post by smashlord on Sept 28, 2024 14:58:16 GMT -6
Why does it have to be a FET? VCAs and digital are more consistent and logarithmic for better behavior and now a few manufacturers make discrete linear vcas themselves to emulate past compressors more consistently, more stable, and cleanly. Good behavior is boring. Gimme that rebellious FET schmutz! The stand out is the Audioscape 1178. Because the stand out is an 1178. You can track vocals with it, bass with it, acoustic guitar, piano, OH .... well just about anything that's a musical signal! And then you can use it to mix those signals or as a stereo bus compressor over drums OH's, Piano OH's etc. Personally, I would put it on the stereo mix bus .... which is good news as you then get to pain over which VCA and Vari-MU compressor you should buy next The ADR Compex would like to have a word! |
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