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Post by doubledog on Oct 12, 2024 14:56:30 GMT -6
Sometimes I'll need a virtual instrument for doing some arranging and then it's replaced by real horns. But sometimes I may also use them as is (i.e, no budget) or to fatten up some real horns if they need it... Usually looking for sax (alto, tenor, bari), trumpet, trombone. I used to have some decent samples in Sampletank 3 but that fell apart for me after a couple moves to different systems and I never got it going again (and ST4 sucked IMO). So sometimes I will use Xpand!2. It might be "good enough" for demos for the real horn players, but not much beyond that.
So what is good, yet reasonably priced?
I searched here, but got back to 2019 and feel like that is probably irrelevant now. oh yeah, I'm running Pro Tools (latest) on Windows but should not really matter.
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Post by damoongo on Oct 12, 2024 21:39:46 GMT -6
Nah
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 12, 2024 22:10:57 GMT -6
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Post by damoongo on Oct 12, 2024 22:49:43 GMT -6
I think it was solid. Succinctly sharing my opinion that midi horns are still garbage, and just track some horns if you’re intending to use it in an actual release. |
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Post by doubledog on Oct 13, 2024 9:07:10 GMT -6
I think it was solid. Succinctly sharing my opinion that midi horns are still garbage, and just track some horns if you’re intending to use it in an actual release. Unfortunately, not useful. I'll advocate all day long to hire a real drummer and stop playing with the MIDI stuff but I also know that a ton of songs do get built with MIDI drums and some even get published that way (even if they still sound like garbage to a real drummer). I've also replaced hundreds (or more - I've lost count) of drum machine and programed tracks with real drums. So why would horns be any different these days? All I'm asking is if there is something out there that is useful for arranging and demos while acknowledging that in some cases, a client without a budget for real horns may end up using them "as is". |
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Post by damoongo on Oct 13, 2024 10:01:55 GMT -6
For arranging, literally going “baaaaaah bap!” Into a 57 sounds better. Gets the dynamics across better. Gets the feeling across better too.
Sometimes if a client doesn’t have the budget for me to make something I think sounds good (you agreed that midi horns sound bad), I just say no. It’s my name on it too. And that’s my resume.
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Post by antbar on Oct 13, 2024 10:09:40 GMT -6
Sometimes I'll need a virtual instrument for doing some arranging and then it's replaced by real horns. But sometimes I may also use them as is (i.e, no budget) or to fatten up some real horns if they need it... Usually looking for sax (alto, tenor, bari), trumpet, trombone. I used to have some decent samples in Sampletank 3 but that fell apart for me after a couple moves to different systems and I never got it going again (and ST4 sucked IMO). So sometimes I will use Xpand!2. It might be "good enough" for demos for the real horn players, but not much beyond that. So what is good, yet reasonably priced? I searched here, but got back to 2019 and feel like that is probably irrelevant now. oh yeah, I'm running Pro Tools (latest) on Windows but should not really matter. Well, this is meant to be helpful, but it won't be useful since you're running PT in Windows! I'm very fond of Logic's own Studio Horns. I have used them in conjunction with real horns, but often use them on their own. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 13, 2024 10:21:34 GMT -6
I can't disagree with "nahh", brass is still something that just doesn't cut it for much out front, if it's 2ndary or tertiary pop brass or session horns pro would work, i'd use em for writing and arranging demo's fosho, but if its an important job its a hire out. That said, id say strings have come a looooong way toward useful, I just picked up abbey road 2 strings and they sound amazing, i have NOT used them in a track yet though so can't speak to that
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Post by sean on Oct 13, 2024 10:24:42 GMT -6
Session Horns sounds pretty good to me. Sure real is better but in a dense track 99.9% of listeners won’t know the difference. And, for arranging, it seems to do a good enough job of separating the horns based on the range of keys you are playing
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 13, 2024 11:49:37 GMT -6
For arranging, literally going “baaaaaah bap!” Into a 57 sounds better. Gets the dynamics across better. Gets the feeling across better too. Sometimes if a client doesn’t have the budget for me make something I think sounds good (you agreed that midi horns sound bad), I just say no. It’s my name on it too. And that’s my resume. Despite my earlier comment I do have to agree that horns seem to be the hardest instrument to believable replicate with VI |
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Post by doubledog on Oct 13, 2024 13:16:09 GMT -6
For arranging, literally going “baaaaaah bap!” Into a 57 sounds better. Gets the dynamics across better. Gets the feeling across better too. Sometimes if a client doesn’t have the budget for me make something I think sounds good (you agreed that midi horns sound bad), I just say no. It’s my name on it too. And that’s my resume. Despite my earlier comment I do have to agree that horns seem to be the hardest instrument to believable replicate with VI Agree that horns are tough and this is why I'm asking if anyone else has anything they recommend. I've got plenty of crappy sounding VIs already.  |
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Post by bossanova on Oct 13, 2024 13:29:06 GMT -6
I haven't put the money in really test it out but SWAM can do some pretty amazing things if the time and performance/programming are there.
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Post by drbill on Oct 14, 2024 11:13:51 GMT -6
It's all about context and your programming skills. Speaking as an EX-horn player (trombone). I use a wide variety of Kontakt programs. With horns, it's all about the articulations and the breath control / swells. Playing line by line, with linear movement as opposed to chordal (keyboard style technique) helps greatly. Ultimately, it's whatever works. Or doesn't. No easy answers here I'm afraid.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 14, 2024 11:56:27 GMT -6
I mixed some Ralph Carney tracks one time that had been Melodyned to death. Made him sound like a sampler. Sigh.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 14, 2024 14:10:29 GMT -6
I mixed some Ralph Carney tracks one time that had been Melodyned to death. Made him sound like a sampler. Sigh. You gave me the shivers. That hurts. |
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