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Post by Quint on Oct 22, 2024 19:47:00 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 22, 2024 20:21:01 GMT -6
Very interesting. This is exactly what I was looking for a few years ago for my rehearsal studio / drum room. I even like that it looks sort of old and dated.
Sort of like the poor man’s Radar.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 22, 2024 20:25:00 GMT -6
$900 by the way.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Oct 22, 2024 20:30:15 GMT -6
Yep, a less featured Radar.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 22, 2024 20:40:00 GMT -6
I like it
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Oct 22, 2024 21:06:35 GMT -6
They have made some incredibly cool and useful stuff over the years. I do wish I still had my PortaStudio 4-track.
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2024 21:26:33 GMT -6
Yep, a less featured Radar. Yeah and as a former Gearpimp & current RADAR owner do you have any idea how many times I have heard that? At least Twice from my old friend and former Tascam Rep alone! Now Paul as a RADAR owner you know there are 3 things Tascam will never equal, The Build, The Remote & The Sound.
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2024 21:35:39 GMT -6
Does this link work for others?
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Post by Quint on Oct 22, 2024 21:38:31 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 23, 2024 0:11:07 GMT -6
Yep, a less featured Radar. Yeah and as a former Gearpimp & current RADAR owner do you have any idea how many times I have heard that? At least Twice from my old friend and former Tascam Rep alone! Now Paul as a RADAR owner you know there are 3 things Tascam will never equal, The Build, The Remote & The Sound. Well that's why I referred to it as the "poor man's" RADAR! But you gotta admit, it's pretty cool.
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Post by ragan on Oct 23, 2024 10:04:53 GMT -6
This looks fun.
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Post by Quint on Oct 23, 2024 10:06:22 GMT -6
Yeah. Where was this thing when I was 22? I'd have been all over this. I had the 4 track Portastudio, but this new thing would have been awesome at that time.
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 24, 2024 3:32:22 GMT -6
I am not sure that I understand the difference between this and simply syncing an Alesis hardisc recorder to a DAW. Used they can be picked up for next to nothing and they don't require Dsub connectors.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 24, 2024 11:34:58 GMT -6
I am not sure that I understand the difference between this and simply syncing an Alesis hardisc recorder to a DAW. Used they can be picked up for next to nothing and they don't require Dsub connectors. For me the interest is more in the I/O than the hard disk recording aspect. I see this as a very clean 24 I/O for patching in my console with some nice monitoring features to go along with it. The hard disk recording is secondary. So I'm comparing it to my paired up Motu 24 AO and AI and thinking that for half the price of that pair I can get the same I/O along with some tactile methods for switching between monitoring through the board or from the DAW. If I were to do that, I'd probably use the hard disk feature occasionally for the random jam session type things where it'd be nice to just press a button and capture, but anything serious would go through the DAW. If the conversion is decent (and why wouldn't it be, Tascam has always ranged from passable to good depending on their product range in my understanding) it's quite the bargain for that use case. The other use case would be in my mixing room where I literally have zero need for anything other than line in and line out. In this case the lack of ADAT would hurt me a little bit and would probably make this inappropriate for that use but if I didn't have so much centered around my Cranborne 500ADAT (I do all conversion in mixing through the Cranborne, not just the 500 series stuff) it would be a nice fit there too.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2024 13:19:42 GMT -6
I am not sure that I understand the difference between this and simply syncing an Alesis hardisc recorder to a DAW. Used they can be picked up for next to nothing and they don't require Dsub connectors. For me the interest is more in the I/O than the hard disk recording aspect. I see this as a very clean 24 I/O for patching in my console with some nice monitoring features to go along with it. The hard disk recording is secondary. So I'm comparing it to my paired up Motu 24 AO and AI and thinking that for half the price of that pair I can get the same I/O along with some tactile methods for switching between monitoring through the board or from the DAW. If I were to do that, I'd probably use the hard disk feature occasionally for the random jam session type things where it'd be nice to just press a button and capture, but anything serious would go through the DAW. If the conversion is decent (and why wouldn't it be, Tascam has always ranged from passable to good depending on their product range in my understanding) it's quite the bargain for that use case. The other use case would be in my mixing room where I literally have zero need for anything other than line in and line out. In this case the lack of ADAT would hurt me a little bit and would probably make this inappropriate for that use but if I didn't have so much centered around my Cranborne 500ADAT (I do all conversion in mixing through the Cranborne, not just the 500 series stuff) it would be a nice fit there too. i'm with you on this though the tascam 24 rig would be a great one stop shop also
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Post by ab101 on Oct 24, 2024 13:29:36 GMT -6
The mic pres and converters in my old Tascam HS-p82 are actually quite good. So I believe Tascam has the ability to make a great product. I suppose we will find out soon if this is one of them. The price makes me suspicious though.
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Post by sirthought on Oct 24, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -6
Need to mix with your racks and racks of outboard? This will do 24 channels for $1K!
I don't know how we evaluate if the converters are decent, but this thing most likely does a good job, and you can also get a nice transport controller.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 24, 2024 13:50:31 GMT -6
I can see a place for this, but aren’t solid state multitrack recorders going for like $1k these days? Not sure why I’d buy this over a more pro ss recorder. I’d also rather have almost any analog mixer with built in SD card recorder (Presonous, Mackie, Tascam etc).
As far as conversion goes, it could be ok to great, but tascams small mixers, while being super fun and useful, don’t sound great…
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Post by christophert on Oct 24, 2024 13:55:17 GMT -6
I wonder what the latency is on these? Tascam do make good sounding convertors, and have since way back in the DA88 days.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2024 14:47:49 GMT -6
Need to mix with your racks and racks of outboard? This will do 24 channels for $1K! I don't know how we evaluate if the converters are decent, but this thing most likely does a good job, and you can also get a nice transport controller. I think converter quality is more dictated by power supply, isolation and audio path quality, the ADDA chips have been solid for a decade now
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Post by copperx on Oct 24, 2024 15:42:46 GMT -6
Need to mix with your racks and racks of outboard? This will do 24 channels for $1K! I don't know how we evaluate if the converters are decent, but this thing most likely does a good job, and you can also get a nice transport controller. I think converter quality is more dictated by power supply, isolation and audio path quality, the ADDA chips have been solid for a decade now The fact that the 1990s Apogee AD8000 is still usable today is proof of this.
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Post by copperx on Oct 24, 2024 15:48:49 GMT -6
This thread reignited my desire for a dawless setup for recording. Is there such a thing as a digital-only Radar?
This Tascam would have been really cool if it had a bunch of ADAT/AES inputs so we could bring our own converters, and and a nice, large remote.
Arming tracks and the ability to punch in and basic transport control are all I ask.
I wonder if a Radar can be had cheap if its converters have been scavenged. I just want to use that beautiful remote and not have to look at a goddamn screen while recording.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Oct 24, 2024 15:49:14 GMT -6
"I think converter quality is more dictated by power supply, isolation and audio path quality",
Hence the Radar being more then twice the size of this thing.
As far as conversion, far a few beat the Nyquist, Ultra Nyquist, and for that matter the Classic conversion in the Radar systems.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 24, 2024 16:01:27 GMT -6
This thread reignited my desire for a dawless setup for recording. Is there such a thing as a digital-only Radar? This Tascam would have been really cool if it had a bunch of ADAT/AES inputs so we could bring our own converters, and and a nice, large remote. Arming tracks and the ability to punch in and basic transport control are all I ask. I wonder if a Radar can be had cheap if its converters have been scavenged. I just want to use that beautiful remote and not have to look at a goddamn screen while recording. Really needs a remote. Six dsub's get clunky fast. This thing really needs to be racked or it will be very cumbersome. And this would work great for DAW-less setup for sure. But I can't envision doing any punches without a DAW. Never want to go back to that. Overdubs? Sure. Punches, no thanks.
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Post by copperx on Oct 24, 2024 16:07:48 GMT -6
This thread reignited my desire for a dawless setup for recording. Is there such a thing as a digital-only Radar? This Tascam would have been really cool if it had a bunch of ADAT/AES inputs so we could bring our own converters, and and a nice, large remote. Arming tracks and the ability to punch in and basic transport control are all I ask. I wonder if a Radar can be had cheap if its converters have been scavenged. I just want to use that beautiful remote and not have to look at a goddamn screen while recording. Really needs a remote. Six dsub's get clunky fast. This thing really needs to be racked or it will be very cumbersome. And this would work great for DAW-less setup for sure. But I can't envision doing any punches without a DAW. Never want to go back to that. Overdubs? Sure. Punches, no thanks.
Tell me more about this.
Punching in is such a mundane task and is still do it manually and by ear, mostly.
How do you do it? How does a DAW improve punches for you? Do you use auto punch-in and out a lot?
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