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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 5, 2024 7:40:11 GMT -6
Found a used/excellent condition BCM104 and landed it for under $600 - I just couldn't pass that up, whether I keep it or not. Plan on trying it out as a vocal mic for doing demo vocals, possibly get into VO work if there is something to be had there.
I have a WA67 as my current main microphone and had been looking at finding an 47 replicant (bladerunner, sorry) and stumbled on this. Who knows where this will end up, but should be fun.
Appreciate your thoughts/experience with this mic - what its good for apart from its typical broadcast/VO use.
Thanks as always, Carvel
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2024 7:44:32 GMT -6
I honestly don’t know of anyone who has ever used it! It was a kind of weird sell a Neumann Dynamic Aimed at the SM7B Broadcast crowd. Never really gained any traction. Curious to hear what you think.
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Post by svart on Nov 5, 2024 7:48:18 GMT -6
Since it was designed for close talking, it'll probably have a some kind of pre-EQ to reduce proximity effect, which means that farther sources will be very bass-light.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 5, 2024 7:57:15 GMT -6
I honestly don’t know of anyone who has ever used it! It was a kind of weird sell a Neumann Dynamic Aimed at the SM7B Broadcast crowd. Never really gained any traction. Curious to hear what you think. The 104 is the condenser. The BCM705 is the dynamic version. They look nearly identical.
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Post by sean on Nov 5, 2024 8:04:56 GMT -6
They were used (possibly still are) on the Grand Ole Opry for bluegrass bands. Del McCoury used one for a long as the center vocal microphone live, and we used to use it in the studio on banjo. Expensive new but I think you’ll find a use for it.
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2024 8:07:06 GMT -6
I honestly don’t know of anyone who has ever used it! It was a kind of weird sell a Neumann Dynamic Aimed at the SM7B Broadcast crowd. Never really gained any traction. Curious to hear what you think. The 104 is the condenser. The BCM705 is the dynamic version. They look nearly identical. My bad still it’s one of the few Neumann’s I have never heard someone mention.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 5, 2024 8:21:31 GMT -6
The 104 is the condenser. The BCM705 is the dynamic version. They look nearly identical. My bad still it’s one of the few Neumann’s I have never heard someone mention. Maybe its just waiting for its Michael Jackson moment...
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Post by chessparov on Nov 5, 2024 12:20:32 GMT -6
Or…. (Going to) Jackson moment.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 5, 2024 13:11:27 GMT -6
A few tidbits I learned about the mic today as I listen to various reviews/comments about it.
- its less boomy and less sibilant than the TLM103, as a point of comparison - also not quite as bright/mid-forward as a U67 - It has an edge terminated capsule (K104) - the pad and high-pass switches are microswitches contained within the xlr connector
To adjust the switches you have to unscrew it and pull the connector and use a pointy object to move them - obviously, not a workable thing for a recording studio unless you set/forget.
For me, haven't seen/heard anything that makes me think this mic is not going to work. Obviously, how my voice sounds on it is the big thing, but I am thinking it is not going to be worse than anything else I have, the best of which is the WA67. To me, a solid step up, even if unconventional.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 5, 2024 13:17:57 GMT -6
I’d seriously consider ditching the Warm… Then replacing it with a M88. Chris
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2024 14:07:06 GMT -6
A few tidbits I learned about the mic today as I listen to various reviews/comments about it. - its less boomy and less sibilant than the TLM103, as a point of comparison - also not quite as bright/mid-forward as a U67 - It has an edge terminated capsule (K104) - the pad and high-pass switches are microswitches contained within the xlr connector To adjust the switches you have to unscrew it and pull the connector and use a pointy object to move them - obviously, not a workable thing for a recording studio unless you set/forget. For me, haven't seen/heard anything that makes me think this mic is not going to work. Obviously, how my voice sounds on it is the big thing, but I am thinking it is not going to be worse than anything else I have, the best of which is the WA67. To me, a solid step up, even if unconventional. Even if you decide to flip it post some samples so we can get an idea of what it’s like please!
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Post by chessparov on Nov 5, 2024 15:23:41 GMT -6
“MYN” did a YouTube video comparison vs. his TLM 103. Since Singing is “Musical Speech” largely… I expect the 104 to also be overall superior there too. Chris
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 5, 2024 16:00:53 GMT -6
Even if you decide to flip it post some samples so we can get an idea of what it’s like please! Will be glad to. Could be a couple weeks though before I can get something up. Since Singing is “Musical Speech” largely… I expect the 104 to also be overall superior there too. You may feel differently after you hear my "musical speech" through it
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Post by chessparov on Nov 5, 2024 16:33:22 GMT -6
Please post up! (I tried yesterday with a small file-but wasn't able) That way you can be my Guinea Pig! (Mostly) kidding. Love to hear it! Chris
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 12, 2024 6:59:34 GMT -6
I now have the mic in hand and its authentic, not a chinese clone. I was a tad suspect because I couldn't see the tell tail grill quick release buttons on the sides, but there weren't any screws in the casing either. This has a screw on grill with a spring loaded bearing that clicks into place once it is properly aligned. I haven't seen this level of engineering in something since I drove a BMW in my younger, less pragmatic years. This thing is simply a work of art.
I have read that the circuit board in this mic may be the same one as the TLM103 but as mentioned earlier, a different capsule. I haven't been able to confirm this with any Neumann source.
This one is a relatively low serial number, maybe from first or second year of production, not sure (I reached out to Neumann with the serial to see when it was made.)
Looking forward to giving it a spin. I am traveling with it this week but will try to get some acoustic test recordings done. "The room" is going to be unavoidable, but it will give me an idea, until I can get back to something better treated.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 12, 2024 12:52:51 GMT -6
Sshhh… Don’t tell most Pro’s here But… If you throw a microphone into Figure 8. Then put a decent (or better) Reflexion Shield in front. It can be pretty effective. Now I’d better check on how many Patterns that model has! Chris P.S. Neumann’s own Marketing says… “Outstanding” side rejection. And as I expected… Cardioid. Guessing quite Narrow.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 14, 2024 7:41:06 GMT -6
Got to play with it some last night. I wasn't in an environment where I could do critical listening, but did a quick recording of my Yamaha acoustic and used it for a co-writing session. It seems to be very much what you hear is what you got. It doesn't have a bristly or over-sibiliant top end (like a TLM103) which if I am describing correctly, makes it sound very smooth, possibly somewhat forgiving, but not overly warm - has very good clarity. However, I don't know that I would describe it as flattering though. Looking forward to comparing it side-by-side to my WA67 and a Shure KSM32. Neumann got back to me on this particular one: Built in 2004 and the design difference I noticed (screw on vs quick release grilll) came about in 2006. So this one is almost vintage
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Post by chessparov on Nov 14, 2024 12:47:44 GMT -6
Just like my jokes that are… Almost funny. BTW I’m sold my Vintage French rifle last weekend. I knew my ad description would help…. “Never fired.” “Only dropped once.”
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 21, 2024 8:42:44 GMT -6
Please post up! (I tried yesterday with a small file-but wasn't able) That way you can be my Guinea Pig! (Mostly) kidding. Love to hear it! Chris Here is a quick 2-bar test I did on it last night ( forgive the stiff playing ). Yamaha AC1R Acoustic with Martin Luxe Strings (love the strings). BCM104 high-pass engaged (mic'd around 14th fret, roughly 8" out) -> Cranborne EC2, no mojo, 30db gain -> Ashley CLX-52 (2:1 at +3db, 20ms attack .1s release) -> Logic 11 (no processing on track) Edit: figuring out bad soundcloud link...screw it, just go Here
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