mrcel0
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Post by mrcel0 on Nov 13, 2024 18:08:37 GMT -6
can I get my mixes to translate better from the average small 10x12x8’ bedroom? I have adequate treatment, but my mixes seem to be either really bright or overcooked when listening on other systems.. it’s been really tedious, i’ve been trying HD6XX + software stuff but i’m pretty wary about it.
I did a mix/ soft master a few days ago in another house, 2 stories with a really large foyer/ living room, placed the speakers in the center. I did not have any treatment, yet the mix I did in that room translated extremely well everywhere.. Do I just need more treatment? Do I need to replace the carpet with wood? Open the window/ door? i’ve been thinking I just need to pay for studio time or pay a mastering engineer but I really want to get it down myself at least adequately.
My speakers are against the short wall firing down longways. There is a window to the right, a door to the back left, & a closet back right.
I have my first reflection points and corner traps up to speaker height, and a front wall panel as well. Speakers are isolated but my desk is pretty huge and so is the monitor / screen. Any tips?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2024 19:04:20 GMT -6
You using an room correction? That would absolutely be my first move.
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Post by russellcreekps on Nov 13, 2024 19:18:20 GMT -6
The Arc 4 Studio (hardware) is really good if you’re looking for something relatively cost effective.
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Post by Dan on Nov 13, 2024 19:27:04 GMT -6
almost square rooms suck
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Post by RealNoob on Nov 13, 2024 19:44:12 GMT -6
Sonarworks or equivalent and keep the volume down. Mine is 11x14x9. Similar situation.
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Post by christophert on Nov 14, 2024 2:09:43 GMT -6
Use a pair of little monitors, your fave headphones, your car, your lounge room. Monitor very quietly on larger monitors. Other rooms and environments are your friends. Square / cubed rooms are your enemies  |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 14, 2024 5:01:52 GMT -6
can I get my mixes to translate better from the average small 10x12x8’ bedroom? I have adequate treatment, but my mixes seem to be either really bright or overcooked when listening on other systems.. it’s been really tedious, i’ve been trying HD6XX + software stuff but i’m pretty wary about it. I did a mix/ soft master a few days ago in another house, 2 stories with a really large foyer/ living room, placed the speakers in the center. I did not have any treatment, yet the mix I did in that room translated extremely well everywhere.. Do I just need more treatment? Do I need to replace the carpet with wood? Open the window/ door? i’ve been thinking I just need to pay for studio time or pay a mastering engineer but I really want to get it down myself at least adequately. My speakers are against the short wall firing down longways. There is a window to the right, a door to the back left, & a closet back right. I have my first reflection points and corner traps up to speaker height, and a front wall panel as well. Speakers are isolated but my desk is pretty huge and so is the monitor / screen. Any tips? What are your monitors? Certain styles of tweeters are notorious for skewing the top end. I’d consider buying some Sennhesier HD600. They’re the headphones I’ve always felt sounded closest to any monitors I’ve owned. They have the right kind of flat response to be useful in letting you check mixes and remove the room from the equation. They’re an old standard and a tried and tested design. I’ve been using them to check the low end on my mixes for over 15 years and they’ve never let me down. |
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Post by jaba on Nov 14, 2024 5:35:30 GMT -6
I also do a lot of my mixing in a close-to-square room and it takes some getting used to.
Treatment is important for sure and low volumes are your friend.
I use a mono Auratone to double check balance. Not much I trust more than that but there's a learning curve.
Headphones can be a good reference but I've never been good at mixing on them. Said that, the free Sienna Rooms (Acustica's fake rooms for headphones) has been surprisingly good for making decisions on the lower octaves and translates pretty well.
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Post by doubledog on Nov 14, 2024 8:39:23 GMT -6
Steven Slate VSX is another option you might want to check out. I personally would not make it my only mixing solution (like many testimonials will have you believe) but I do own it and to me it was an affordable 3rd option for mixing and mastering projects. I say 3rd because I have 2 sets of monitors that I can A/B, yet VSX helped me hear some things the monitors did not (especially in the below-100Hz area). The "rooms' that come with the Essentials version are pretty useful, but if you really like it then getting the other rooms may help too (and whether you buy Platinum now or later it's the same total price - although there are probably black friday deals that I don't see because they know I already bought it)
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Post by notneeson on Nov 14, 2024 9:32:25 GMT -6
can I get my mixes to translate better from the average small 10x12x8’ bedroom? I have adequate treatment, but my mixes seem to be either really bright or overcooked when listening on other systems.. it’s been really tedious, i’ve been trying HD6XX + software stuff but i’m pretty wary about it. I did a mix/ soft master a few days ago in another house, 2 stories with a really large foyer/ living room, placed the speakers in the center. I did not have any treatment, yet the mix I did in that room translated extremely well everywhere.. Do I just need more treatment? Do I need to replace the carpet with wood? Open the window/ door? i’ve been thinking I just need to pay for studio time or pay a mastering engineer but I really want to get it down myself at least adequately. My speakers are against the short wall firing down longways. There is a window to the right, a door to the back left, & a closet back right. I have my first reflection points and corner traps up to speaker height, and a front wall panel as well. Speakers are isolated but my desk is pretty huge and so is the monitor / screen. Any tips? All of the above. But also, if you’re mixing bright it means your monitoring is too dark. This could possibly indicate that your room treatment is disproportionately affecting the highs. |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 14, 2024 9:41:40 GMT -6
Learning your monitors and room correction will help, but I add another vote for Senn 600s.
I'm looking at adding an Auratone for balancing because that's the big thing I struggle with on headphones.
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Post by Dan on Nov 14, 2024 10:49:29 GMT -6
What monitors are you using? How far are you from them? Get in a 1m equilateral triangle optimally placed in the room. Totally cooked highs usually means something is dull, tweeters are shot, not on axis. Dynamics all over the place is usually from skill issue with often defective dynamics processors (heard on even big pop records when you hear stupid envelope), plastic woofers (both diaphragm and basket), crappy overdamped mid domes, limiters to protect your monitors' underpowered amps and drivers used out of spec, etc. there's all kinds of bullshit and often monitors aren't able to be used at their intended use without compromise.
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Post by skav on Nov 14, 2024 10:56:59 GMT -6
In my experience mixing alongside a reference track will tell you immediately if your frequency balance is off.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2024 11:14:32 GMT -6
near field monitoring is specifically designed to reduce/limit room interaction, NEAR FIELD MONITORING IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO REDUCE/LIMIT ROOM INTERACTION. To put it bluntly your room dimensions suck(just like mine and many others), I would suggest lowering you spl monitoring to about 70-75db spl in that room as to not excite the room and then get used to it, anything short of completely killing your room won't work and doing so will make your room uncomfortable, room correction is a marketed bandaid that feels weird because its NOT correcting your room, and it's giving you pseudo accuracy inaccurately(oxymoron, the room will STILL have all it's reflection points and modal problems only now in a processed convoluted way). Turn it down
Of course jmo
Popped into my head, early 2000's, I sat in on a Hillary Duff mixing session for about 5 minutes, the guy mixing had about 100db spl blasting out of the NS10's, I sat on the couch behind the desk shoulders up for a bit trying to understand wtf? and then decided to pull a Marsha Brady "something came up" to GTFOOT!!!!
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Post by jaba on Nov 14, 2024 11:39:05 GMT -6
In my experience mixing alongside a reference track will tell you immediately if your frequency balance is off. Good point, I forgot to mention that. I find the ADAPTR plug is great for a mental/ear reset after living in your own mix for some time. Flipping through a few reference tunes I know well really lets me know how mine is doing. I can't be too literal with it though - flipping through the references shows just how different they can all sound - but it definitely helps put mine in perspective. |
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Post by spud on Nov 14, 2024 11:52:45 GMT -6
I always had mix translation problems when I mixed with speakers. I never had the budget to make a correct acoustic and anyway I was always renting so it was complicated. The revelation came with the Ollo S4X coupled with a crossfeed plugin (Ghz CanOpener). It took me a while to adapt but since then I no longer have mix translation problems and I no longer want to go back to my speakers. It may not be ideal but I find it easier to hear everything precisely and to do a balance that translates well. Maybe you should try this type of headphones or a model from Audeze? It seems that the MM-100 is a very good headphone in a reasonable price range.
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Post by bossanova on Nov 14, 2024 13:29:45 GMT -6
I've also found that, if you go the headphones route, it can help to have a couple of different correction/virtual room VSTs to A/B/C against, with each one highlighting a different problem area.
For example, Waves Abbey Road Studio is brutally unforgiving when it comes to low end vs Sonarworks dipping the upper treble on my AT-50s and making me listen critically to whether my mix is too dull up top vs Waves Ocean Way being good for checking panning.
And then there's always comparing those to the unaltered headphone playback and against reference tracks.
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mrcel0
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Post by mrcel0 on Nov 14, 2024 21:26:43 GMT -6
can I get my mixes to translate better from the average small 10x12x8’ bedroom? I have adequate treatment, but my mixes seem to be either really bright or overcooked when listening on other systems.. it’s been really tedious, i’ve been trying HD6XX + software stuff but i’m pretty wary about it. I did a mix/ soft master a few days ago in another house, 2 stories with a really large foyer/ living room, placed the speakers in the center. I did not have any treatment, yet the mix I did in that room translated extremely well everywhere.. Do I just need more treatment? Do I need to replace the carpet with wood? Open the window/ door? i’ve been thinking I just need to pay for studio time or pay a mastering engineer but I really want to get it down myself at least adequately. My speakers are against the short wall firing down longways. There is a window to the right, a door to the back left, & a closet back right. I have my first reflection points and corner traps up to speaker height, and a front wall panel as well. Speakers are isolated but my desk is pretty huge and so is the monitor / screen. Any tips? All of the above. But also, if you’re mixing bright it means your monitoring is too dark. This could possibly indicate that your room treatment is disproportionately affecting the highs. So I moved my front panel, it was between both speakers and it actually opened up the sound a lot, with the front wall fiberglass panel the stereo field seems more isolated but after removing it sounds more like it has a “space” the highs are also more pronounced, sounds more lively without the front panel. I’m ordering a reference mic should be in next week to really get some room measurements. Mixing at low volumes is ideal but need to balance that out with volume to not lose all detail. |
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Post by mrcel0 on Nov 14, 2024 21:32:21 GMT -6
What monitors are you using? How far are you from them? Get in a 1m equilateral triangle optimally placed in the room. Totally cooked highs usually means something is dull, tweeters are shot, not on axis. Dynamics all over the place is usually from skill issue with often defective dynamics processors (heard on even big pop records when you hear stupid envelope), plastic woofers (both diaphragm and basket), crappy overdamped mid domes, limiters to protect your monitors' underpowered amps and drivers used out of spec, etc. there's all kinds of bullshit and often monitors aren't able to be used at their intended use without compromise. can I get my mixes to translate better from the average small 10x12x8’ bedroom? I have adequate treatment, but my mixes seem to be either really bright or overcooked when listening on other systems.. it’s been really tedious, i’ve been trying HD6XX + software stuff but i’m pretty wary about it. I did a mix/ soft master a few days ago in another house, 2 stories with a really large foyer/ living room, placed the speakers in the center. I did not have any treatment, yet the mix I did in that room translated extremely well everywhere.. Do I just need more treatment? Do I need to replace the carpet with wood? Open the window/ door? i’ve been thinking I just need to pay for studio time or pay a mastering engineer but I really want to get it down myself at least adequately. My speakers are against the short wall firing down longways. There is a window to the right, a door to the back left, & a closet back right. I have my first reflection points and corner traps up to speaker height, and a front wall panel as well. Speakers are isolated but my desk is pretty huge and so is the monitor / screen. Any tips? What are your monitors? Certain styles of tweeters are notorious for skewing the top end. I’d consider buying some Sennhesier HD600. They’re the headphones I’ve always felt sounded closest to any monitors I’ve owned. They have the right kind of flat response to be useful in letting you check mixes and remove the room from the equation. They’re an old standard and a tried and tested design. I’ve been using them to check the low end on my mixes for over 15 years and they’ve never let me down. Using Kali LP6 not sure if that provides any info but I actually like them more than the yamaha hs8’s I used to have. I use HD6XX headphones which are supposed to be very similar to the HD650. I have been careful about using sonarworks etc. because I don’t have a reference mic yet so I measured it with a mic in omni mode, i’ve just placed an order for a reference mic so should do real measurements next week. I find sonarworks really useful for the low end especially but the mids/highs seemed a bit odd to me but probably due to not using an actual reference mic. |
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