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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 12:56:00 GMT -6
So, as many people are aware, Antelope has had their share of complaints over the years. I kind of always never gave their interfaces a whole lot of thought, because of it.
That said, the Orion interfaces have a lot of features, digital connection options, and I/O count for the money, all with what is supposed to be pretty good sounding conversion. So I'm taking a second look.
How are you guys liking the Orions these days? How's the support and reliability? If I were to pick up an Orion 32, I'd be looking to connect it to my Mac Studio via Thunderbolt, and then software monitor thru the DAW during tracking and everything else, as opposed to trying to use the built in mixer and DSP. So I'd probably just set the routing up in Orion to get the I/O sent to/from the DAW and then leave it alone after that.
I don't think I probably care that much about all of the DSP FX options and all of that. I just want 32 channels of low latency I/O over Thunderbolt. Also, part of what attracts me to the Orion is that it has MADI connections, which I could use as a way to bring additional channels in from something like a Burl B16 Mothership (B16 > MADI > Orion > TB > Mac and Mac > TB > Orion > MADI > B16).
Also, what kind of RTL can you get with an Orion 32 over Thunderbolt, at 96k and a 32 buffer? What about 96k and a 64 buffer?
How's the conversion on the Orion 32+ Gen 4? What about the Orion 32+ Gen 3 (in case I decided to pick up a used Gen 3 on the cheap)? Is the conversion at least on the same level as the Apollo X series (I currently have a pair of Apollo x16).
Given my stated needs, what does the Gen 4 Orion 32 offer over and above the Gen 3 Orion 32? Maybe I should just pick up a used Gen 3 to save some bucks?
What do I not know about Orion 32s that I should be considering, either good or bad?
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 15, 2024 13:06:10 GMT -6
I bought my Lynx (n) recently, i was considering the Antelope 32 and the 64, i can only speak to why i did NOT go with them
The listening tests i did(internet only) sounded a little flat compared to others they were put up against. There is a comparison with JCF and others here on this forum recently that verified what i heard. More importantly the lack of information and support inquiry i was able to gather from the co itself was enough to break the deal, I couldn't even find good spec sheets without a battle.
I found just the opposite with the lynx which is more expensive, support is unheard of, it's future proof upgradeable, the specs are great, I went with 24 channels and it would cost me around $1k to bump it up to 32 and it'd take about a week, it also sounds really really good to my ears
I'm sure the antelope is a good unit for some
hope this helps
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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 13:20:27 GMT -6
I bought my Lynx (n) recently, i was considering the Antelope 32 and the 64, i can only speak to why i did NOT go with them The listening tests i did(internet only) sounded a little flat compared to others they were put up against. There is a comparison with JCF and others here on this forum recently that verified what i heard. More importantly the lack of information and support inquiry i was able to gather from the co itself was enough to break the deal, I couldn't even find good spec sheets without a battle. I found just the opposite with the lynx which is more expensive, support is unheard of, it's future proof upgradeable, the specs are great, I went with 24 channels and it would cost me around $1k to bump it up to 32 and it'd take about a week, it also sounds really really good to my ears I'm sure the antelope is a good unit for some hope this helps The customer service at UA used to be something that specifically kept me around as a customer, but times have changed, unfortunately. So a cross grade on the quality of customer service wouldn't necessarily be a big deal to me, if I dumped my Apollos for an Orion. I'm already dealing with not so great customer service at UA at this point anyway. As for the Lynx, my original plan was to get a 32 channel Aurora (n), and I still could potentially do that. That said, I've increasingly been kicking around getting a Burl B16 for tracking, in which case the other channels of conversion I would have, whether that be Apollo x16, Aurora (n), Orion 32+, or something else, would end up being primarily used just for hardware inserts. For whatever that's worth. And the Aurora doesn't have an option for MADI AND TB connections. It's one or the other, and I'd want both if I were to also pick up the Burls. Also, I could sell my pair of Apollo x16s, plus my 2192 for $6k to $7k total, pick up an Orion for $3k or less, and put the remainder of that money towards the Burls. AND, I wouldn't have to pick up a separate MADI interface for another $2k, since the Orion has MADI connections. It is a substantial difference in total cost. With the Orion option, I could get the Orion AND the Burls. With the Aurora, I'd have to pick one or the other. I don't think I can afford to do the Aurora AND Burls right now. I hear you on the Lynx support though. It's definitely a reason that I had been considering going Lynx. But, regardless of all of the above, if the Orion 32+ is just going to cause me a bunch of angst and problems, it's not worth the trouble. So that's why I'm curious to hear about people's opinions on Antelope and the Orion 32+. By the way, do you have a link to the thread you mentioned, where converters were compared to the JCF? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 15, 2024 13:59:57 GMT -6
I bought my Lynx (n) recently, i was considering the Antelope 32 and the 64, i can only speak to why i did NOT go with them The listening tests i did(internet only) sounded a little flat compared to others they were put up against. There is a comparison with JCF and others here on this forum recently that verified what i heard. More importantly the lack of information and support inquiry i was able to gather from the co itself was enough to break the deal, I couldn't even find good spec sheets without a battle. I found just the opposite with the lynx which is more expensive, support is unheard of, it's future proof upgradeable, the specs are great, I went with 24 channels and it would cost me around $1k to bump it up to 32 and it'd take about a week, it also sounds really really good to my ears I'm sure the antelope is a good unit for some hope this helps The customer service at UA used to be something that specifically kept me around as a customer, but times have changed, unfortunately. So a cross grade on the quality of customer service wouldn't necessarily be a big deal to me, if I dumped my Apollos for an Orion. I'm already dealing with not so great customer service at UA at this point anyway. As for the Lynx, my original plan was to get a 32 channel Aurora (n), and I still could potentially do that. That said, I've increasingly been kicking around getting a Burl B16 for tracking, in which case the other channels of conversion I would have, whether that be Apollo x16, Aurora (n), Orion 32+, or something else, would end up being primarily used just for hardware inserts. For whatever that's worth. And the Aurora doesn't have an option for MADI AND TB connections. It's one or the other, and I'd want both if I were to also pick up the Burls. Also, I could sell my pair of Apollo x16s, plus my 2192 for $6k to $7k total, pick up an Orion for $3k or less, and put the remainder of that money towards the Burls. AND, I wouldn't have to pick up a separate MADI interface for another $2k, since the Orion has MADI connections. It is a substantial difference in total cost. With the Orion option, I could get the Orion AND the Burls. With the Aurora, I'd have to pick one or the other. I don't think I can afford to do the Aurora AND Burls right now. I hear you on the Lynx support though. It's definitely a reason that I had been considering going Lynx. But, regardless of all of the above, if the Orion 32+ is just going to cause me a bunch of angst and problems, it's not worth the trouble. So that's why I'm curious to hear about people's opinions on Antelope and the Orion 32+. By the way, do you have a link to the thread you mentioned, where converters were compared to the JCF? |
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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 14:19:06 GMT -6
The customer service at UA used to be something that specifically kept me around as a customer, but times have changed, unfortunately. So a cross grade on the quality of customer service wouldn't necessarily be a big deal to me, if I dumped my Apollos for an Orion. I'm already dealing with not so great customer service at UA at this point anyway. As for the Lynx, my original plan was to get a 32 channel Aurora (n), and I still could potentially do that. That said, I've increasingly been kicking around getting a Burl B16 for tracking, in which case the other channels of conversion I would have, whether that be Apollo x16, Aurora (n), Orion 32+, or something else, would end up being primarily used just for hardware inserts. For whatever that's worth. And the Aurora doesn't have an option for MADI AND TB connections. It's one or the other, and I'd want both if I were to also pick up the Burls. Also, I could sell my pair of Apollo x16s, plus my 2192 for $6k to $7k total, pick up an Orion for $3k or less, and put the remainder of that money towards the Burls. AND, I wouldn't have to pick up a separate MADI interface for another $2k, since the Orion has MADI connections. It is a substantial difference in total cost. With the Orion option, I could get the Orion AND the Burls. With the Aurora, I'd have to pick one or the other. I don't think I can afford to do the Aurora AND Burls right now. I hear you on the Lynx support though. It's definitely a reason that I had been considering going Lynx. But, regardless of all of the above, if the Orion 32+ is just going to cause me a bunch of angst and problems, it's not worth the trouble. So that's why I'm curious to hear about people's opinions on Antelope and the Orion 32+. By the way, do you have a link to the thread you mentioned, where converters were compared to the JCF? Oh, THAT thread. I posted in that thread last month. Ha! |
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Post by doubledog on Nov 15, 2024 19:11:46 GMT -6
obviously you saw my thread, and know that I am running Windows and USB, but I have an Orion 32+ Gen 4, and I understand you are in the same general area as me so if you want to look at it, run something through it, etc. lmk. I'm not running TB or a mac though, and I am using the onboard mixer, but I'll be honest - the rest of the DSP plugins and stuff I don't care about. From what I've read, it seems to be a nightmare anyway. But monitoring through the mixer is very similar to what I did with the Apollo. It's slightly different and that's annoying, but mainly because I'd been using the Apollo for the last 10+ years. So it was mostly not Antelope's fault for that. I'm fully used to it now and it's working great for me.
Also I did a lot of checking the specs and if I recall., the Gen4 has slightly better specs than the Gen3. both are an improvement over the Apollo 16. I think the Gen4 has 2 x MADI ports but less ADAT expansion.
ok, now Antelope as a company... yeah, they kind of suck. The support is hit or miss. Sometimes you get someone that will really help and knows their stuff. Other times I get someone that is just ready to close the ticket and that is their #1 priority (just like UA). But even though they don't always get back to you quickly (most of my tickets have had a response within 24 hours) at least they don't make you first talk to a fucking BOT. And you can call them, but you have to do it during their daytime business hours (Bulgaria I think). But once I got it setup and installed, it's really been stable and I actually like a lot of things better than the Apollo (for example switching session sample rates with the Apollo almost always resulted in a blue screen. Sometimes I got a BSOD just for looking at it wrong). Nothing like that so far with this one.
I'm only using 24 i/o right now - I don't have DB25 snakes connected to the last 8 yet. But I'm enjoying the 8 more than I had with the Apollo and someday will probably find a reason to connect the rest (if my budget allows).
btw, I track a bunch of drum sessions and I have been doing it at 512 samples and it doesn't really bother me, but I'm not even putting drums into the headphones. However, when I'm punching in, then I have to remember to disable any plugins or the delay is unbearable (but it was the same thing with my Apollo 16). I could use the onboard DSP mixer, but it's easier to just disable any plugins until I'm done tracking drums.
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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 20:09:04 GMT -6
obviously you saw my thread, and know that I am running Windows and USB, but I have an Orion 32+ Gen 4, and I understand you are in the same general area as me so if you want to look at it, run something through it, etc. lmk. I'm not running TB or a mac though, and I am using the onboard mixer, but I'll be honest - the rest of the DSP plugins and stuff I don't care about. From what I've read, it seems to be a nightmare anyway. But monitoring through the mixer is very similar to what I did with the Apollo. It's slightly different and that's annoying, but mainly because I'd been using the Apollo for the last 10+ years. So it was mostly not Antelope's fault for that. I'm fully used to it now and it's working great for me. Also I did a lot of checking the specs and if I recall., the Gen4 has slightly better specs than the Gen3. both are an improvement over the Apollo 16. I think the Gen4 has 2 x MADI ports but less ADAT expansion. ok, now Antelope as a company... yeah, they kind of suck. The support is hit or miss. Sometimes you get someone that will really help and knows their stuff. Other times I get someone that is just ready to close the ticket and that is their #1 priority (just like UA). But even though they don't always get back to you quickly (most of my tickets have had a response within 24 hours) at least they don't make you first talk to a fucking BOT. And you can call them, but you have to do it during their daytime business hours (Bulgaria I think). But once I got it setup and installed, it's really been stable and I actually like a lot of things better than the Apollo (for example switching session sample rates with the Apollo almost always resulted in a blue screen. Sometimes I got a BSOD just for looking at it wrong). Nothing like that so far with this one. I'm only using 24 i/o right now - I don't have DB25 snakes connected to the last 8 yet. But I'm enjoying the 8 more than I had with the Apollo and someday will probably find a reason to connect the rest (if my budget allows). btw, I track a bunch of drum sessions and I have been doing it at 512 samples and it doesn't really bother me, but I'm not even putting drums into the headphones. However, when I'm punching in, then I have to remember to disable any plugins or the delay is unbearable (but it was the same thing with my Apollo 16). I could use the onboard DSP mixer, but it's easier to just disable any plugins until I'm done tracking drums. Thanks for the offer. I might take you up on that, depending on how things go. From what I've generally read over the years, the Orions are supposed to be as good or maybe better than the Apollos, in sound quality. So I wasn't super worried about that, though it's nice to hear from you on that subject, since you've had both an Apollo and Orion to directly compare. Which version of the Apollo did you have? The x16, or one of the older Apollo 16s? As for all of the I/O, both digital and analog, that's always been a nice feature of the Orions, and it's certainly what caught my eye when the Orion line first came out. So the hardware itself seems fine. For me, the biggest question, by far, is the customer service and support. That's always been what has kept me away. I'm worried about driver support as much as anything. I don't want to buy an Orion and then Antelope stops updating Thunderholt drivers two years later because they've released a new version of the Orion and left the previous version behind. I feel like I've read that that's been a problem. What's been your experience with that sort of thing? I'd be looking at the Gen 4, obviously, but I'm also curious about the Gen 3. Antelope is selling Gen 3 demo models on Reverb for like $1600. But I'd be wondering if I should just stay away from those Gen 3 models because they are about to stop being supported or already have stopped being supported. Maybe somebody with a Gen 3 can chime in with how support is going for those. |
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Post by RealNoob on Nov 15, 2024 20:30:53 GMT -6
I still have a 2016 Orion Studio. I got it in 2017. It was better than what I had had great connectivity.
I had a few minor issues, usually a routing thing, that I called support for. Only once did it take me more than a day to get support. I usuallly got them quickly by phone.
Since buying it, I have had a MOTU Ultralight, a Revolution 2X2 and the SSL Big Six. I can't easily tell a difference between them so I am sticking with the SSL for now, due to functionality. I'd use it again in a heartbeat.
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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 20:32:56 GMT -6
I still have a 2016 Orion Studio. I got it in 2017. It was better than what I had had great connectivity. I had a few minor issues, usually a routing thing, that I called support for. Only once did it take me more than a day to get support. I usuallly got them quickly by phone. Since buying it, I have had a MOTU Ultralight, a Revolution 2X2 and the SSL Big Six. I can't easily tell a difference between them so I am sticking with the SSL for now, due to functionality. I'd use it again in a heartbeat. Is Antelope still updating drivers for that 2016 Orion? Are you on Mac or PC? Thanks for adding a data point. |
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Post by RealNoob on Nov 15, 2024 20:34:21 GMT -6
I think I had worked with them in 2023 for Sonoma. Still using Sonoma. There was a bit of. trick for it but they knew immediately what to do.
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Post by Quint on Nov 15, 2024 20:36:14 GMT -6
I think I had worked with them in 2023 for Sonoma. Still using Sonoma. There was a bit of. trick for it but they knew immediately what to do. So it worked on Mac Silicon (M1, M2, etc.), I assume? Edit: en.antelopeaudio.com/2021/02/m1-antelope-compatibility/According to this Antelope page, Gen 3 is supposed to be good with Mac silicon. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 15, 2024 21:00:49 GMT -6
I think I had worked with them in 2023 for Sonoma. Still using Sonoma. There was a bit of. trick for it but they knew immediately what to do. So it worked on Mac Silicon (M1, M2, etc.), I assume? Edit: en.antelopeaudio.com/2021/02/m1-antelope-compatibility/According to this Antelope page, Gen 3 is supposed to be good with Mac silicon. Wasn't stable on my Mac Studio M1 thunderbolt. The Orion sound great , but my routing would change at random and even show correct on the software . Antelope tech support was horrible . Sold it |
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Post by doubledog on Nov 15, 2024 22:32:23 GMT -6
obviously you saw my thread, and know that I am running Windows and USB, but I have an Orion 32+ Gen 4, and I understand you are in the same general area as me so if you want to look at it, run something through it, etc. lmk. I'm not running TB or a mac though, and I am using the onboard mixer, but I'll be honest - the rest of the DSP plugins and stuff I don't care about. From what I've read, it seems to be a nightmare anyway. But monitoring through the mixer is very similar to what I did with the Apollo. It's slightly different and that's annoying, but mainly because I'd been using the Apollo for the last 10+ years. So it was mostly not Antelope's fault for that. I'm fully used to it now and it's working great for me. Also I did a lot of checking the specs and if I recall., the Gen4 has slightly better specs than the Gen3. both are an improvement over the Apollo 16. I think the Gen4 has 2 x MADI ports but less ADAT expansion. ok, now Antelope as a company... yeah, they kind of suck. The support is hit or miss. Sometimes you get someone that will really help and knows their stuff. Other times I get someone that is just ready to close the ticket and that is their #1 priority (just like UA). But even though they don't always get back to you quickly (most of my tickets have had a response within 24 hours) at least they don't make you first talk to a fucking BOT. And you can call them, but you have to do it during their daytime business hours (Bulgaria I think). But once I got it setup and installed, it's really been stable and I actually like a lot of things better than the Apollo (for example switching session sample rates with the Apollo almost always resulted in a blue screen. Sometimes I got a BSOD just for looking at it wrong). Nothing like that so far with this one. I'm only using 24 i/o right now - I don't have DB25 snakes connected to the last 8 yet. But I'm enjoying the 8 more than I had with the Apollo and someday will probably find a reason to connect the rest (if my budget allows). btw, I track a bunch of drum sessions and I have been doing it at 512 samples and it doesn't really bother me, but I'm not even putting drums into the headphones. However, when I'm punching in, then I have to remember to disable any plugins or the delay is unbearable (but it was the same thing with my Apollo 16). I could use the onboard DSP mixer, but it's easier to just disable any plugins until I'm done tracking drums. Which version of the Apollo did you have? The x16, or one of the older Apollo 16s? I had the original Apollo 16 Silver (firewire) |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 15, 2024 23:11:37 GMT -6
I still have a 2016 Orion Studio. I got it in 2017. It was better than what I had had great connectivity. I had a few minor issues, usually a routing thing, that I called support for. Only once did it take me more than a day to get support. I usuallly got them quickly by phone. Since buying it, I have had a MOTU Ultralight, a Revolution 2X2 and the SSL Big Six. I can't easily tell a difference between them so I am sticking with the SSL for now, due to functionality. I'd use it again in a heartbeat. I'm still using my 1st Gen Orion 32, to get into the Mac Studio I bought an RME MADIface, since it isn't suported any longer. RME will always write new drivers, so I'm good for a long time (hopefully). |
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Post by Quint on Nov 16, 2024 0:14:09 GMT -6
Wasn't stable on my Mac Studio M1 thunderbolt. The Orion sound great , but my routing would change at random and even show correct on the software . Antelope tech support was horrible . Sold it Exactly the sort of thing I've been worried about. I'm kind of wondering about connecting to a MADI interface instead, like the RME PCIe cards, and just not even fool with any of the interface side of things with the Antelope. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 16, 2024 0:14:47 GMT -6
I still have a 2016 Orion Studio. I got it in 2017. It was better than what I had had great connectivity. I had a few minor issues, usually a routing thing, that I called support for. Only once did it take me more than a day to get support. I usuallly got them quickly by phone. Since buying it, I have had a MOTU Ultralight, a Revolution 2X2 and the SSL Big Six. I can't easily tell a difference between them so I am sticking with the SSL for now, due to functionality. I'd use it again in a heartbeat. I'm still using my 1st Gen Orion 32, to get into the Mac Studio I bought an RME MADIface, since it isn't suported any longer. RME will always write new drivers, so I'm good for a long time (hopefully). Yeah, I'm kind of thinking about this too. But in this situation, I would definitely buy the Gen 3 Orion instead of the Gen 4, to offset the cost of the RME MADI card. |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 16, 2024 10:17:52 GMT -6
I'm still using my 1st Gen Orion 32, to get into the Mac Studio I bought an RME MADIface, since it isn't suported any longer. RME will always write new drivers, so I'm good for a long time (hopefully). Yeah, I'm kind of thinking about this too. But in this situation, I would definitely buy the Gen 3 Orion instead of the Gen 4, to offset the cost of the RME MADI card. That makes sense. My SW guy is a personal friend and he helped my navigate and get the Orion/MADIface happening, and save for one weird issuse and I assume was my fault, I haven't had any issuses. At this point the Orion is purely the converter, and I've always liked the sound of it. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 16, 2024 11:50:24 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm kind of thinking about this too. But in this situation, I would definitely buy the Gen 3 Orion instead of the Gen 4, to offset the cost of the RME MADI card. That makes sense. My SW guy is a personal friend and he helped my navigate and get the Orion/MADIface happening, and save for one weird issuse and I assume was my fault, I haven't had any issuses. At this point the Orion is purely the converter, and I've always liked the sound of it. Yeah, I would basically set the routing up in the Orion to be simple AD to MADI out and MADI in to DA, and then probably never mess with it again. I'm just really gun shy about depending on Antelope for any sort of driver/software sort of stuff, so relying on the Orion to work on it's own, much less also serve as the interface for MADI connections to/from the Burls, really worries me. RME, on the other hand, I feel like I would get really dependable, super low latency performance with their HDSPe MADI FX card in a Sonnet box. And I wouldn't have to worry about any interface stuff for a LONG time. That's not worth nothing. |
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Post by doubledog on Nov 16, 2024 14:44:19 GMT -6
going MADI should also allow you to record at higher than 96KHz if you ever decide you want to (ADAT can't do that w/o losing 50% more of the available channels). That was one of the things that pushed me to the Orion 32+ Gen4. I tested it and I can record 32 channels at 192KHz (over USB even!). Do I need or want to right now? Not really. But if I ever get a project to mix or a client requests it - I'll be ready and I can do it. But the added cost of the RME MADI card prevented me from going that route.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 17, 2024 15:06:24 GMT -6
That makes sense. My SW guy is a personal friend and he helped my navigate and get the Orion/MADIface happening, and save for one weird issuse and I assume was my fault, I haven't had any issuses. At this point the Orion is purely the converter, and I've always liked the sound of it. Yeah, I would basically set the routing up in the Orion to be simple AD to MADI out and MADI in to DA, and then probably never mess with it again. I'm just really gun shy about depending on Antelope for any sort of driver/software sort of stuff, so relying on the Orion to work on it's own, much less also serve as the interface for MADI connections to/from the Burls, really worries me. RME, on the other hand, I feel like I would get really dependable, super low latency performance with their HDSPe MADI FX card in a Sonnet box. And I wouldn't have to worry about any interface stuff for a LONG time. That's not worth nothing. I have been using the Orion studio and discrete 8 with a HDSP. I just AD to ADAT and ADAT to DA. Super easy. I use the orion studio via thunderbolt probably daily. Its not as solid as RME but nothing i have tried is. About on par with the apollo on windows. Mac is not something I have tried with antelope, but i would assume it is better. Also support has always been great for me. They have used teamviewer to diagnose an issue one time, and always answered questions within 24hrs. They also talked to their hardware team to diagnose a fault on the circuit board so i could get it repaired locally (output opamp). |
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Post by Quint on Nov 17, 2024 17:59:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I would basically set the routing up in the Orion to be simple AD to MADI out and MADI in to DA, and then probably never mess with it again. I'm just really gun shy about depending on Antelope for any sort of driver/software sort of stuff, so relying on the Orion to work on it's own, much less also serve as the interface for MADI connections to/from the Burls, really worries me. RME, on the other hand, I feel like I would get really dependable, super low latency performance with their HDSPe MADI FX card in a Sonnet box. And I wouldn't have to worry about any interface stuff for a LONG time. That's not worth nothing. I have been using the Orion studio and discrete 8 with a HDSP. I just AD to ADAT and ADAT to DA. Super easy. I use the orion studio via thunderbolt probably daily. Its not as solid as RME but nothing i have tried is. About on par with the apollo on windows. Mac is not something I have tried with antelope, but i would assume it is better. Also support has always been great for me. They have used teamviewer to diagnose an issue one time, and always answered questions within 24hrs. They also talked to their hardware team to diagnose a fault on the circuit board so i could get it repaired locally (output opamp). Good to know. Thanks As for the RME HDSPe MADI FX, which is what I'm proposing to use, the latency listed here is very encouraging: www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/entry/105-rtl-comparison-of-different-rme-products-en-de/So that's 2.154 ms (@44.1k, 32 buffer) + AD latency + DA latency for RTL. That's 95 samples + AD/DA latency, which is 0.989 ms (@96k, 32 buffer) + AD/DA latency. From what I've been able to cobble together from info online, AD/DA total converter latency in the Orion looks to be 30 to 40 samples. Assuming 40 samples at 96k, that's another 0.4 to 0.5 ms for conversion. That's a total RTL at basically 1.5 ms (0.989 + 0.5) at 96k. The Apollo RTL at 96k, using the built in DSP mixer (Console), which doesn't even go thru the computer, is only 0.4 ms faster at 1.1 ms RTL at 96k. I'll take that sort of native latency (<1.5 ms), and I trust the RME card to be able to provide that sort of latency in a stable, relatively low CPU fashion. The Burl BAD8 has even lower converter latency than the Orion, at 7 samples for the AD. Assuming that the BAD16 uses the same chip, it would also have 7 samples. Anyway, I'd be looking at 1.5 ms, or less, for total RTL. I'll take it! I'll need to test it in real life, to verify on my system, but that might just be the final nail in the coffin for my Apollos. tapeop.com/reviews/gear/122/bad8-converter-card-for-b80-b16/And the Ferrofish Pulse 16 conversion latency: gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=16999245&postcount=37 |
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Post by andtide on Nov 17, 2024 21:22:08 GMT -6
I’m about to grab a 32+… I have a studio synergy now. Wasn’t painless- but getting with support wasn’t hard. Was pretty good support compared to many other experiences.
Once set up it’s been ROCK solid and is sounds good.
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Post by Quint on Nov 17, 2024 21:44:58 GMT -6
I’m about to grab a 32+… I have a studio synergy now. Wasn’t painless- but getting with support wasn’t hard. Was pretty good support compared to many other experiences. Once set up it’s been ROCK solid and is sounds good. Thanks for the data point. By the way, do you have any experience with the Ferrofish Pulse or A32? I'm also looking at those as an affordable MADI alternative to the Orions. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 18, 2024 4:21:05 GMT -6
Antelope thunderbolt rtl
Sample Rate (in kHz) Buffer (in samples) Round Trip Latency in (ms)
44.1khz. 16 1.769
44.1khz. 32 2.857
44.1khz. 64 5.034
96khz. 32 1.438
96khz. 64 2.438
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Post by Quint on Nov 18, 2024 7:12:12 GMT -6
Antelope thunderbolt rtl Sample Rate (in kHz) Buffer (in samples) Round Trip Latency in (ms) 44.1khz. 16 1.769 44.1khz. 32 2.857 44.1khz. 64 5.034 96khz. 32 1.438 96khz. 64 2.438 Awesome. Thanks so much for taking those measurements. 1.438 ms at 96/32 is pretty good. I'd be totally okay with that. Thing is, I bet that running the Orion over MADI to a RME PCIe card would be even faster, down around 1.1 to 1.2 ms. Either way, these are all encouraging numbers. |
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