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Post by hadaja on Nov 18, 2024 13:50:04 GMT -6
I was a PT fan for over a Decade then all the RTAS plug in upgrades killed me .
I went to Logic - but dam it takes a while to learn a new program and why the heck does doing fades on a track sometimes work and most times dont?
I am upgrading my MAc and then can go to latest Logic and see if that fixes it.
I love my fades.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 18, 2024 13:57:54 GMT -6
Has anyone imported an audio file into both logic and PT and put identical plugins with identical settings and then tried nulling them? I might try that out to see if I’m hallucinating….. again
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Post by EmRR on Nov 18, 2024 15:14:48 GMT -6
Has anyone imported an audio file into both logic and PT and put identical plugins with identical settings and then tried nulling them? I might try that out to see if I’m hallucinating….. again Trick would be ‘identical plugins’, meaning ignoring all native plugs. Then so long as you’ve got the same pan law setting, should be ready to test. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 18, 2024 15:30:18 GMT -6
Has anyone imported an audio file into both logic and PT and put identical plugins with identical settings and then tried nulling them? I might try that out to see if I’m hallucinating….. again Honestly... apart from technical interest...I don't think it matters in the end. Having the right workflow/cost benefits far out weigh any sonic difference that may be percieved.....doing a proper null test.... Anyone thinking of changing DAWS (which I have done a few times in the past) get your self a months subscription to a training site for the DAW you are going to migrate to... sit down and watch the videos with a pen and paper and take notes...of the things you need to do all the time whilst in a session. That has made the transition each time much easier...noting key commands , where things are in menus that I need daily...etc. Perhaps consider giving LUNA a run... its free... I am happy with it. cheers Wiz |
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Post by smashlord on Nov 18, 2024 17:48:13 GMT -6
One thing worth mentioning between the two.... Apple gives you free, meaningful updates on the regular. I mean, the last time I paid for Logic was when X came out in 2014? Logic 11 was a "free" upgrade if you ignore that you had to first upgrade to Apple Silicon to use it.
ProTools OTOH..... well, we all know what their updates are usually like.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 18, 2024 18:13:26 GMT -6
Use whatever drives you the least crazy, because clients and creativity itself are often maddening enough.
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 18, 2024 22:38:31 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 19, 2024 2:50:34 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. Yeah I thought my antidote was buying a Windows 11 workstation and running Cubase …. But my son wants an iPhone 16 for Xmas - I need a new iPhone - I’m about to buy a new Mac Book Pro - last year I bought an iPad Pro for live. So even with Windows/ Cubase in the studio (which I’m super happy with) …. Apple reels you in !! They do make fantastic mobile/ lifestyle products - I really like the Apple iCloud eco system - it just works. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 19, 2024 6:37:54 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. I must say i disagree here (computer wise). Mac products have have had way longer lifespan than my colleagues pc’s. Mac uses quality parts in their production. I get 6-8 years out of computers and I am using an over 10 year old pad that only this year ran out of update capabilities. The pad serves as movie and entertainment only for me, occasional photo editing. But the computers are used hard and heavy. So all and all I have always considered mac rather competitive price wise. |
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 19, 2024 7:03:26 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. I must say i disagree here (computer wise). Mac products have have had way longer lifespan than my colleagues pc’s. Mac uses quality parts in their production. I get 6-8 years out of computers and I am using an over 10 year old pad that only this year ran out of update capabilities. The pad serves as movie and entertainment only for me, occasional photo editing. But the computers are used hard and heavy. So all and all I have always considered mac rather competitive price wise. Oops looks like the post I quoted didn’t show up correctly. I quoted the bit about needing to buy an apple silicon machine to use Logic 11 for “free”. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 19, 2024 8:09:56 GMT -6
I must say i disagree here (computer wise). Mac products have have had way longer lifespan than my colleagues pc’s. Mac uses quality parts in their production. I get 6-8 years out of computers and I am using an over 10 year old pad that only this year ran out of update capabilities. The pad serves as movie and entertainment only for me, occasional photo editing. But the computers are used hard and heavy. So all and all I have always considered mac rather competitive price wise. Oops looks like the post I quoted didn’t show up correctly. I quoted the bit about needing to buy an apple silicon machine to use Logic 11 for “free”. Sorry, yeah that makes sense  . Yeah disregard my disagreement |
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Post by Dan on Nov 19, 2024 8:36:10 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. Logic and Final Cut being used as a loss leaders killed a ton of professional uses of the programs (both for me personally eventually) when Apple killed key features and didn’t fix bugs because it wasn’t in their best financial interest to do so. Reaper took a ton of audio users from Logic, Cubase, and Pro Tools native. |
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Post by theshea on Nov 19, 2024 10:32:29 GMT -6
i discovered really late that in logic you can set a lot of options for the mouse pointer (not just right click marquee). and depending where the mouse is (up, down) in a track region you can do a lot of quick editing.
theres a good yt tutorial about it. cant find it right now.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 19, 2024 10:44:35 GMT -6
I mean, this is really the crux of the Apple software pricing scheme. Low prices for apps compels people to buy the hardware, which goes obsolete every few years and needs to be re-bought new, all while locking them into a bigger ecosystem of phones, watches, and whatever else new thingy they release. It's brilliant. I must say i disagree here (computer wise). Mac products have have had way longer lifespan than my colleagues pc’s. Mac uses quality parts in their production. I get 6-8 years out of computers and I am using an over 10 year old pad that only this year ran out of update capabilities. The pad serves as movie and entertainment only for me, occasional photo editing. But the computers are used hard and heavy. So all and all I have always considered mac rather competitive price wise. My PC workstations get used in the studio for 9 years before being changed. Then retired and go on for many more years - one is now 15 years old and going strong in my wife office! As a family we have a collection of Apple Mac Book Air's and imac's (don't get me started on iphones and ipads) .... that are of limited use thanks to Apple software obsolescence. So I'm afraid my experience doesn't agree with yours at all. Personally I prefer PC in my main studio but Apple Laptops for my writing/teaching room. They're both very expensive things to buy and both last a long time - but I must say PC wins if you're talking about longevity and long term hardware/software compatibility. For example, my Powercore 6000 hasn't worked with an Apple computer for 5 years - when my new PC arrived 13900K - I stuck a Firewire card in it (Windows 11 instantly downloaded the right driver) I downloaded a Microsoft legacy firewire driver - I'm told made available especially for Powercore users! Plugged in my Powercore 6000 - J Bridged the plugins and "pow" Powercore running like a dream inside Cubase 13 and Wavelab 12. That's PC World. vs Mac Island. A paradise Island for sure - but definitely an island. |
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 19, 2024 11:15:52 GMT -6
That's PC World. vs Mac Island. A paradise Island for sure - but definitely an island. Fair statement I think. Personally, I prefer Apple for its "just works" and well integrated ecosystem. I don't mind the island, as long as it has everything I need and it does. I think a whole lot less about "fixing" issues in a Mac world than I did in a Windows/PC world when we had/used PCs. Common sense goes a long way in both realms. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 19, 2024 11:18:30 GMT -6
I must say i disagree here (computer wise). Mac products have have had way longer lifespan than my colleagues pc’s. Mac uses quality parts in their production. I get 6-8 years out of computers and I am using an over 10 year old pad that only this year ran out of update capabilities. The pad serves as movie and entertainment only for me, occasional photo editing. But the computers are used hard and heavy. So all and all I have always considered mac rather competitive price wise. My PC workstations get used in the studio for 9 years before being changed. Then retired and go on for many more years - one is now 15 years old and going strong in my wife office! As a family we have a collection of Apple Mac Book Air's and imac's (don't get me started on iphones and ipads) .... that are of limited use thanks to Apple software obsolescence. So I'm afraid my experience doesn't agree with yours at all. Personally I prefer PC in my main studio but Apple Laptops for my writing/teaching room. They're both very expensive things to buy and both last a long time - but I must say PC wins if you're talking about longevity and long term hardware/software compatibility. For example, my Powercore 6000 hasn't worked with an Apple computer for 5 years - when my new PC arrived 13900K - I stuck a Firewire card in it (Windows 11 instantly downloaded the right driver) I downloaded a Microsoft legacy firewire driver - I'm told made available especially for Powercore users! Plugged in my Powercore 6000 - J Bridged the plugins and "pow" Powercore running like a dream inside Cubase 13 and Wavelab 12. That's PC World. vs Mac Island. A paradise Island for sure - but definitely an island. No politics! 😅 |
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Post by Ward on Nov 19, 2024 11:59:10 GMT -6
My PC workstations get used in the studio for 9 years before being changed. Then retired and go on for many more years - one is now 15 years old and going strong in my wife office! I have a 1994 Powermac 7100 still functional and running. 30 years. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 19, 2024 16:49:01 GMT -6
My PC workstations get used in the studio for 9 years before being changed. Then retired and go on for many more years - one is now 15 years old and going strong in my wife office! As a family we have a collection of Apple Mac Book Air's and imac's (don't get me started on iphones and ipads) .... that are of limited use thanks to Apple software obsolescence. So I'm afraid my experience doesn't agree with yours at all. Personally I prefer PC in my main studio but Apple Laptops for my writing/teaching room. They're both very expensive things to buy and both last a long time - but I must say PC wins if you're talking about longevity and long term hardware/software compatibility. For example, my Powercore 6000 hasn't worked with an Apple computer for 5 years - when my new PC arrived 13900K - I stuck a Firewire card in it (Windows 11 instantly downloaded the right driver) I downloaded a Microsoft legacy firewire driver - I'm told made available especially for Powercore users! Plugged in my Powercore 6000 - J Bridged the plugins and "pow" Powercore running like a dream inside Cubase 13 and Wavelab 12. That's PC World. vs Mac Island. A paradise Island for sure - but definitely an island. No politics! 😅 It's not politics - I swing both ways  |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 19, 2024 16:50:41 GMT -6
My PC workstations get used in the studio for 9 years before being changed. Then retired and go on for many more years - one is now 15 years old and going strong in my wife office! I have a 1994 Powermac 7100 still functional and running. 30 years. It's not a game of Top Trumps |
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Post by Ward on Nov 19, 2024 19:03:52 GMT -6
I have a 1994 Powermac 7100 still functional and running. 30 years. It's not a game of Top Trumps LMAO . . . I was expecting something a little more sardonic.HA |
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Post by smashlord on Nov 19, 2024 22:21:15 GMT -6
I've been getting close to 10 years out of my Macs before the slowdown is just too much. Just upgraded to a new Studio recently, but still running my 9+ year old Mac Pro for tracking and editing in another room. It just doesn't like running big mix sessions with MIDI and new CPU hogging plugs anymore.
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Post by drbill on Nov 19, 2024 22:41:24 GMT -6
I've been getting close to 10 years out of my Macs before the slowdown is just too much. I'm still running a 2010 Mac Pro that's been upgraded to 2012, bunch of hard drives added, lots of RAM added, SSD's added, new video card added. Runs perfectly fine. My only problem is that Apple has seen fit to develop the new operating systems for older hardware, so I'm stuck on 10.14.6. That would be "OK", but developers and their installers are not happy developing for a 5 year old operating system. So at some point I will upgrade - but it won't be because my Mac is broken, worn out, or too slow. It will because of Apple's deliberate plan to obsolete anything over 4 years old. On, and on the advantage of PT over Logic...... . I think you know my opinion already. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2024 2:43:44 GMT -6
If you’re a commercial studio and need world wide compatibility PT sessions are the industry standard equivalent of a reel of 2 inch tape.
You simply have to learn it to be a successful engineer, mixer etc taking in professional projects or travelling beteen commercial studios because 90% of the time it’s going to be Pro Tools. PT established itself a the defacto standard.
If you’re sat at home making music for yourself or local artists then pick the DAW that feels like home (that might be PT)
I’ve bought and used most DAW’s going and my favourites have been Logic and Cubase - I find they are super easy to operate and are a super fast workflow for composition.
PT, Reaper, Live …. just baffle me.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 20, 2024 6:51:29 GMT -6
If you’re a commercial studio and need world wide compatibility PT sessions are the industry standard equivalent of a reel of 2 inch tape. This is a great explanation. After pondering my "why" on wanting to use Pro Tools, I think it boils down to that as being a songwriter, in an industry where the hustle (earning $$) is fragmented into many different pieces, having PT as a skillset in my back pocket is not a bad thing. I don't think it will make me a better songwriter - in fact, its probably slowing me down a bit - but I do enjoy the art of tracking/mixing and want to be able to do that well. |
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Post by mjheck on Nov 20, 2024 8:27:41 GMT -6
I started with both in 2007. I was confused by how the panning worked in Logic until I learned that you could change the pan law. I switched my default to -3 dB (rather than than the default "-3dB compensated"). Since then it has worked as expected.
I tend to agree with the general sentiments here - if I were working commercially, it would be paramount to be as proficient in PT as possible. As I am working mostly for myself or for tiny songwriting clients, Logic is perfect.
I find I am at my best creatively when I can both pursue a concrete vision AND leave room for happy accidents. Logic is so incredibly deep, there are still things I am finding fifteen years later. Some days I sit down with the purpose of exploration and just mess with an instrument I haven't used much. That is often a spark into another new direction or at least some more creative energy.
I also grew up using Macs, and did not have to work on PC's until much later in life. PT looks like a windows design to me, if that makes any sense. The color choices, typography, navigation, etc. If you like or are use to one versus the other, that is bound to be a time saver at minimum and a frustration remover ideally.
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. Yeah disregard my disagreement 
