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Post by deehope on Nov 24, 2014 13:38:02 GMT -6
For the people who claim the superbeast sounds better then the regular 1794 configuration. Is this due to the upgraded opamps? Dual mono configuration? Or a little of both? I just want it to sound as good as the superbeast.
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Post by formatcyes on Nov 24, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -6
Right now it's more like 75-100$. Just not sure that's worth an extra 3db of ENOB.. I am sure I would not be able to tell the difference. Will not cost you a sale with me regardless of what you choose to do. Re Power supply I don't think splitting (2 separate 5v supply’s) it will make any difference. I am an electronics’s tech and have never seen such a thing.
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Post by svart on Nov 24, 2014 13:45:59 GMT -6
Right now it's more like 75-100$. Just not sure that's worth an extra 3db of ENOB.. I am sure I would not be able to tell the difference. Will not cost you a sale with me regardless of what you choose to do. Re Power supply I don't think splitting (2 separate 5v supply’s) it will make any difference. I am an electronics’s tech and have never seen such a thing. It's not common, that's for sure. A single proper low noise supply should be good enough. We're not talking high power levels with a lot of crosstalk here. That being said, using two regulators isn't a big deal, but there is also a common VCC between the dac outputs. The datasheet doesn't specify why it's a different input though. What I'm concerned about is that if any regulator is slightly off and there are internal junctions, then currents will flow improperly and we'll get worse performance than using a single supply.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 24, 2014 13:52:22 GMT -6
I'm no way near knowledgeable enough to answer either of the last 2 questions, but i can say that great crosstalk specs translate to a very wide sounding stereo image. I'm not sure how lower voltages are effectively different? but obviously higher voltages monoblock power amps are always found in the super high end studios, and prefered by audiophile types... so? i wish JW would chime in here a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 14:00:23 GMT -6
For the people who claim the superbeast sounds better then the regular 1794 configuration. Is this due to the upgraded opamps? Dual mono configuration? Or a little of both? I just want it to sound as good as the superbeast. It's more on the speculative side. We immediately noticed the spectral balance and stereo image changed to the better in the Superbeast. As jimwilliams stated, the opamps used by his recommendation have the ability for handling the more power-demanding low end with more fidelity than other opamps, which does result in a superior spectral balance. How far the dual chip design in the Superbeast adds more to the stereo image than the improved low end transients alone, which will better the stereo image, too, is unknown to me, i just can't compare, because don't have the standard version with upgraded opamps, which would separate the featured upgrades of the Superbeast...
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Post by deehope on Nov 24, 2014 14:20:20 GMT -6
In regards to names. At first I was thinking something like a play on the f22 raptor. . A stealth nearly invisible plane that gets the job done while going unnoticed. But I'm thinking more along the lines of something to do with purity.
Purity from an audio standpoint as what you hear is what you get or what you put in is what you get out.
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Post by formatcyes on Nov 24, 2014 14:31:57 GMT -6
In regards to names. At first I was thinking something like a play on the f22 raptor. . A stealth nearly invisible plane that gets the job done while going unnoticed. But I'm thinking more along the lines of something to do with purity. Purity from an audio standpoint as what you hear is what you get or what you put in is what you get out. If you don't like rap you could get the poptor or the jazztor Or if you have nit's the indietor
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Post by svart on Nov 24, 2014 16:41:35 GMT -6
Ok, pretty sure I'm going with the Wolfson SPDIF transceiver for the receiving and jitter reduction. Seems that the TI parts have a hard time with SPDIF jitter from some sources.
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Post by wiz on Nov 24, 2014 17:21:00 GMT -6
I suggest for the name you call all your manufactured devices SVART.
Then for this first model you give it the model name RGO.
So your convertor would be the SVART RGO
cheers
Wiz
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Post by deehope on Nov 24, 2014 17:42:16 GMT -6
Holy shit. ... the whole second part of my post got cut off.
Purity from a design standpoint because it's simple and straight to the point without much in the signal path.
Most importantly purity from a business standpoint as there's not a 500% to 2000% markup or lame marketing hype. It came to life more or less because you saw this forum besides themselves, waiting 6+ months on a product they've paid for and weren't getting anything resembling costumer service. You saw where you could help and you did.
So ya... purity/transparency/integrity. There must be a cool Greek translation for that lol
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 24, 2014 17:43:23 GMT -6
I suggest for the name you call all your manufactured devices SVART. Then for this first model you give it the model name RGO. So your convertor would be the SVART RGO cheers Wiz How about "Svargo" and use a logo of a lower leg/foot being shoved into a converter box 8)
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Post by wiz on Nov 24, 2014 17:51:57 GMT -6
I suggest for the name you call all your manufactured devices SVART. Then for this first model you give it the model name RGO. So your convertor would be the SVART RGO cheers Wiz How about "Svargo" and use a logo of a lower leg/foot being shoved into a converter box 8) you are truly the king of gif's 8) cheers Wiz (i still chuckle every time I think of Daffy)
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 24, 2014 18:06:35 GMT -6
it's just a phase i'm going through... i'll stop soon, i promise 8) daffy's classic, though.. thinking of dan going to get the mail like that was a great one 8)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 1:12:16 GMT -6
Holy shit. ... the whole second part of my post got cut off. Purity from a design standpoint because it's simple and straight to the point without much in the signal path. Most importantly purity from a business standpoint as there's not a 500% to 2000% markup or lame marketing hype. It came to life more or less because you saw this forum besides themselves, waiting 6+ months on a product they've paid for and weren't getting anything resembling costumer service. You saw where you could help and you did. So ya... purity/transparency/integrity. There must be a cool Greek translation for that lol Purity would be "hagneia". "sophia" would be a nice name, too, meaning "wisdom"... which is to be used to build this converter...and to buy it ... :-D Just "speedwagon" would fit the bill, too. We guys here will have a smile each time it is mentioned, with the forum reference left out. :-) just brainstorming...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 1:16:57 GMT -6
it's just a phase i'm going through... i'll stop soon, i promise 8) daffy's classic, though.. thinking of dan going to get the mail like that was a great one 8) No problem for me. Just let your ADD show up in endlessly moving gifs as long as it's entertaining like this - makes me smile, really.
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Post by deehope on Nov 25, 2014 14:46:54 GMT -6
Will this be able to clock other converters?
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Post by svart on Nov 25, 2014 14:50:58 GMT -6
Will this be able to clock other converters? It won't have a wordclock output if that is what you mean. At least this version won't. The SPDIF stream has timing built into the signal which can be used to clock other converters if they see the SPDIF signal. Typically you'd slave your soundcard (or whatever your SPDIF receiver is) to the SPDIF stream from the ADC. The DAC should sync and slave itself to the SPDIF signal coming into it as well. So in this case, both the soundcard and DAC are clocked by the ADC.
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Post by svart on Nov 25, 2014 14:55:12 GMT -6
So I think I'll do the DAC PCB as a single/dual arrangement. Both PCM1794A DACs will have a bit resistor that will set it either mono or stereo allowing either, and allowing me the choice to use one or both.
That way I can only populate half the board. I'm on the fence about making this an option though.
In any case, there isn't a good way to determine what format the SPDIF receiver sees, so the LCD will probably only display a "LOCKED" or "UNLOCKED" message for the DAC.
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Post by svart on Nov 25, 2014 15:57:37 GMT -6
So the ADC boards and the front panel boards have been shipped. I won't see them until probably next week though.
I already see one or two issues with the ADC boards that need fixing.
Also, I'm wondering if I shouldn't change the ADC layout entirely. I've found some good small LDO regulators and have switched to point-of-load regulation on the DAC board to make things a little more local to the parts. I might want to do the same thing with the ADC board to better some of the things I did on it.
I might be too anal about it though. I keep wanting to do things very tightly and neatly due to having to do that kind of thing on RF designs for so long. Now that I'm working on a low speed project, most of the things I'd worry about don't matter at all!
In other news, water is wet.
So that's it for today's work I think, time to leave work and go to the store and get T'day fixings for when the folks come into town.
Today I got the Wolfson SPDIF transceiver drawn and into the schematic. I also got the PCM1794A drawn and into the schematic. I got most everything hooked up between the SPDIF and analog outputs for one mono channel (or a single stereo DAC if it happens that way). Now I need to go through the nets and make sure I have everything the way I want it. I also need to choose a clock source for the Wolfson part.
There really isn't that much to do software wise with this board even though it's more complex than the ADC board. It mostly syncs up to the SPDIF signal that is sent to it. There are a few hardware configuration pins, but I don't forsee needing to change those on the fly for any reason. I might bring them into the microcontroller anyway, just in case.
There is an "UNLOCK" output from the wolfson part. I might see about using that to drive the MUTE pin of the PCM1794 chips so that it automatically mutes the outputs if it loses lock. Otherwise it might give a loud and annoying HISSSSSSSS. Unsure it will do that though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:15:37 GMT -6
You are not "too anal" about things. You really go for excellence, not less. You see things you think you can do better - you fix it in design, even before you stuffed one single board. It is easy to see you put all your experience into the product, and this is a very good thing. This normally pays off, even if you think it's overdosed first. OK, some things might only matter at RF frequency stuff and may be irrelevant to audio world, but better coming from pedantic design principles down to the actual project, than working from sloppy design upwards. It is more like the "doing it right the first time" principle...
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2014 16:51:36 GMT -6
Your Idea of to anal means get it right now! In the grand old days that was called product development ! Relax while most of us can't offer much as far as the circuit , we are here to help, and there is a lot of talent here, and all we want is to be able to buy and recommend a decent piece of gear.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 25, 2014 18:38:34 GMT -6
I don't know about other folks, but one of the first things i do when i get a piece of gear is de lid it and admire or the work inside, this thing(just judging from the pcb renderings) is gonna look killer! Really man, this is exciting, and i think your attention to detail and no compromise approach is going to reward you bigger than you may think 8)
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 25, 2014 18:49:33 GMT -6
any ideas on the name yet? I swear that RGO Speedwagon is really cool for some reason, really. What's your last name Chris? maybe we can brainstorm something with your surname?
here's some that i like RGO Speedwagon Svargo ADChrisuperDAC
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Post by wiz on Nov 25, 2014 18:51:05 GMT -6
Svartass
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Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 25, 2014 19:03:35 GMT -6
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