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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 15:28:29 GMT -6
Just profiled both channels of my '68 Custom Deluxe with the Kemper. I'll post in a few - for some reason my internet is down upstairs...Anyway, I just used an SM57, so the sounds are what they are. Here are the things I notice: 1) It's close...really close. Maybe I'll post blind, although, my point isn't to try and trick anyone...but I hate when you label something and someone says, "Oh yeah, the blah blah is soooo much thicker." Anyway, since this was my first time profiling, I really didn't know what I was doing... and to really be able to tweak to match, you need to listen to what you're getting from the original amp and tweak the Kemper to match it. Well, my amp is right there beside my monitors and I didn't take the time to hook up the Kemper and amp to monitor at the same time...I just put up the mic, hit the "profile" button and kind of got what I got. And even then it was really close... 2) The feel is still not completely there. Like the total dynamic spectrum isn't there yet. It doesn't feel as good as playing a real amp. Now, you can be the judge as to how close the end result is... 3) The "amp-in-the-room" sound/feel is inspiring...and I miss that. But the end result is so similar - after miking the real thing - it's kind of like, "is that really that important?" It's not like I'm Yngvie Malmsteen... 4) I would never be able to own 1% of the amount of different amps I could have with this thing. And then there are the excellent TAF and Michael Britt profiles. So - let me know what you guys think about these files...I've got someone breathing down my back to buy the Amp...trying to hold him off until I make a final decision  soundcloud.com/johnandkris/sets/kempertest2Custom Channel https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/clipahttps%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/clipc-1Vintage Channel https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/clipbhttps%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/clipd-1 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 15:41:55 GMT -6
Just wanted to get some opinions...so I put this at the top I'll take down soon... |
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Post by winetree on Dec 27, 2014 16:17:01 GMT -6
Yea, I hear a difference. But I think you answered your own Question.
4) I would never be able to own 1% of the amount of different amps I could have with this thing. And then there are the excellent TAF and Michael Britt profiles.
When it comes down to the final mix does anyone really know the difference? You're the only one that knows. There're listening to the song.
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Post by matt on Dec 27, 2014 16:25:00 GMT -6
Just wanted to get some opinions Cool test. To my ears, all four tones are useful. It is interesting that the gain structure is noticeably different for the two channels of your amp. Good luck deciding! I'd end up keeping both! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 16:47:23 GMT -6
Just wanted to get some opinions Cool test. To my ears, all four tones are useful. It is interesting that the gain structure is noticeably different for the two channels of your amp. Good luck deciding! I'd end up keeping both! That could totally be my fault...When I profile, I don't really know where the gain is set on the Kemper...so I kinda ear-balled it. Any guesses on which is which? |
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Post by Randge on Dec 27, 2014 16:50:57 GMT -6
A,B and D are the amp. The 60 cycle hum and amp noise gives it away...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 17:40:33 GMT -6
Oops...yeah...I hear the difference in gain. I'll see if I can't match it up a little more.
BTW -
A & B are the Kemper
C & D are the Amp
Imagine if I knew what I was doing...
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Post by Randge on Dec 27, 2014 19:03:38 GMT -6
So, you have that much noise in the Kemper rig after profiling it?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 19:08:17 GMT -6
That thing is a NOISY amp for one...I think it's got some tube issues. MB doesn't seem to have issues with his profiles, so maybe I'm screwing it up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 19:09:13 GMT -6
Gonna go up and try to match the gain structure more closely.
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Post by wiz on Dec 27, 2014 19:42:50 GMT -6
well, I listened before I read the replies... really I did 8)
I liked A and C...
so one kemper, one real.
dunno anything else 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 20:08:47 GMT -6
Put two new Kemper files up (A&B) - tried to match the gain structure better. Also added a noise gate, so you can hear how that sounds...
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Post by M57 on Dec 27, 2014 20:13:51 GMT -6
A and B have a harsher upper mid-rangy digital sound to them. Unfortunately I read your posts before listening so I could be projecting them.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 20:43:01 GMT -6
No - I agree...I think that's probably safe to say in all the profiles...even the ones I didn't do...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 20:45:01 GMT -6
Two Michael Britt profiles...1970 Marshall SL100 and a Little Walter 50...
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/marshallslolittlewalter
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 20:49:40 GMT -6
I'm truly kind of torn...It's not so much that the Kemper doesn't sound great - a great player could make this thing sound unbelievable...I'm just sitting here thinking. So...I've got 797 amp profiles. Now what. Almost paralysis...And the truth is, the amp does sound a little better. Maybe I get a AEA and call it a day?
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Post by wiz on Dec 27, 2014 20:56:37 GMT -6
I can see the kemper, being the ducks guts... if you needed that sort of thing.
You are tracking a band, you record a DI signal at tracking, and profile the amp with the kemper for changes recalls... guitarists changing their mind kind of thing...
Or your mate owns a holy grail amp and you profile it...
Or you profile your own amp so you can work quietly...
But I agree 100% on the paralysis thing...
I got rid of a ton of plug ins... and shit in general to fight that.
Also, I find.. using real amps... leads me down paths I wouldn't sometimes go.. and having a few amps around.. just makes life easier in general... from a creative , non paralysis.. commit to something move on actually finish shit kind of view
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 21:59:04 GMT -6
Ohhhhh the gassy confusion
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 27, 2014 22:00:39 GMT -6
The answer might be to keep both.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2014 11:32:36 GMT -6
I think clip A & D is the amp. Now I'll go see if I'm wrong.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2014 11:36:41 GMT -6
I was 50/50. That Little Walter 50 sounds amazing. I'd like to have that many models that sound so close. The Kemper is impressive.
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Post by donr on Dec 28, 2014 13:18:15 GMT -6
I don't use many profiles on the Kemper. Maybe five. Don't want to audition 100 amps to record a part. Gonna get the MB profiles though. My favorite profiles are done by people who know how to record an amp in the first place. I am comfortable using the Kemper for recording. Live, I still prefer an amp, even though I use the Two-Notes Torpedo for the FOH cab/mic sound and the 4x12 is just a stage monitor.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -6
Yeah, I might just take all of the ones that came with the kemper off. They just clutter stuff up.
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Post by matt on Dec 28, 2014 15:04:37 GMT -6
My guess was 50/50, I picked B and C as the amp. True enough, the Kemper is impressive. I think if you dial in the gain structure, and work the tone stack, you effectively get what you need in the Kemper for tracking purposes.
My current recording rig is 100% centered around the Two Notes Studio. The signal chain: amp head > Studio > Symphony sounds so good I haven't even bothered to A/B it with my old method of recording egtrs (TLM 102 on a Marshall 412 > Slate Fox > Symphony). I am finishing up a track where half the guitars are through the Studio and no one can hear any difference. And I'm using the default speaker simulation when the third-party IRs are supposed to be better. No more mics for me on electrics. I was tracking at 3AM the other night with my favorite amp (100W Marsha) set on Preamp 5/Master vol 4 in complete silence. Well, near silence. There was pick noise and some headphone bleed. And some occasional cussing at the shitty playing of the damn guitarist. Someone buy him some lessons, or something. Sheesh.
I like the Kemper, but I want a Little Walter!
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Post by sopwith on Dec 28, 2014 15:48:24 GMT -6
Oops...yeah...I hear the difference in gain. I'll see if I can't match it up a little more. BTW - A & B are the Kemper C & D are the Amp Imagine if I knew what I was doing...
Amp sounds great I could tell pretty easily, and much preferred the amp. Not bad at all on the Kemper side, but the amp just seemed to be much more rich and full. Nice job micing it. Don't ditch the fender yet.
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