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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2015 13:39:35 GMT -6
The problem is that you are asking them what they want.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 22, 2015 15:49:49 GMT -6
So, if you'll probably never own a bunch of guitar amps or mics, is this thing a great option if you still want access to tons of guitar tones, but don't want to deal with latency from plugins either when tracking live?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2015 16:48:03 GMT -6
Definitely. I haven't heard a software emu that can come close to any of the really good profiles for the kemper. Considering I would often have 5+ guitar parts on a track, software was never really a viable option. If you burn it down, you take away the whole advantage of re-amping it anyway. The Kemper also has several outputs, so you can record a dry signal along with the wet signal if you want to reamp later.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 22, 2015 17:13:21 GMT -6
this guy does a great job selling the unit and the Michael Britt add-on profiles:
now if i only had guitar chops...
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Post by wiz on May 22, 2015 17:30:12 GMT -6
wiz - I think I had mentioned the whole "overwhelmed" thing when I sold a Kemper a while back. And I was...But the more I used it, the more I figured out which Profile guys I liked and that way, I could whittle down to the best options. So now days, I really have several go-to amps and enjoy the others as different flavors. TAF Supro 1694T, AC30, 53 Deluxe and tons of Michaels stuff - the new ones are just fantastic. Thanks for the reply JohnkennI can see the "whittling" down process happening, that has always seemed to happen to me , especially in the early 90s when I was using those guitar multi effect boxes like the GT5 ME5 etc, you start off with 8 gazillion presets, and over the course of a few after buying one I always seemed to end up with the same sort of thing, clean, louder clean, slightly dirty, crunchy, solo.... 8) I had a look at the price of the Kemper here in Oz and its around 2700 our dollars, about 300 more than I paid for my Tone King Imperial. It certainly is the best sounding modeller I have heard... Its interesting, maybe a play on one when I come to the states later in the year? cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2015 17:34:29 GMT -6
I think the Kemper is the best crunch tone unit out there. Never heard very convincing ones out of anything else.
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Post by yotonic on May 22, 2015 19:44:45 GMT -6
If I was a gigging guitarist this would be tempting. But as a songwriter I have just given up on everything digital or emulation-based.
I have bought every digital keyboard, synth, Marshall JMP1, and modern tech piece of gear etc., and I'm always left feeling just a little flat. But if I sit down at a real Rhodes, or play a nice vintage Martin, or a Gretsch drum kit, a Steinway grand, a Moog synth, or a JCM800 100watt stack the music just flows. So I don't even bother with sample loops, electronic keyboards or anything that is emulation based anymore, only because I need that analog resonance to inspire me. I'm sure it's a super practical tool for the more talented musicians out there but I've noticed I churn out a lot of mediocre material when I don't have that magic that comes from analog or "real instruments" for lack of a better paraphrase. Now I buy every real instrument I come across, just because I can get better ideas and inspiration out of an old instrument than anything new and digital I've bought in the last ten years.
I hope that doesn't sound negative, just a counterpoint. And guys like Pete Yorn would sound good playing guitar on an iPhone.
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Post by mikec on May 23, 2015 7:21:13 GMT -6
I bought the Britt Vintage pack yesterday based off on John's recommendation and spent a couple hours with it last night. These are my favorite profiles so far by a long shot. Everything from sparkly clean to the edge of breakup and on to good crunch. Highly recommended.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2015 8:59:51 GMT -6
If I was a gigging guitarist this would be tempting. But as a songwriter I have just given up on everything digital or emulation-based. I have bought every digital keyboard, synth, Marshall JMP1, and modern tech piece of gear etc., and I'm always left feeling just a little flat. But if I sit down at a real Rhodes, or play a nice vintage Martin, or a Gretsch drum kit, a Steinway grand, a Moog synth, or a JCM800 100watt stack the music just flows. So I don't even bother with sample loops, electronic keyboards or anything that is emulation based anymore, only because I need that analog resonance to inspire me. I'm sure it's a super practical tool for the more talented musicians out there but I've noticed I churn out a lot of mediocre material when I don't have that magic that comes from analog or "real instruments" for lack of a better paraphrase. Now I buy every real instrument I come across, just because I can get better ideas and inspiration out of an old instrument than anything new and digital I've bought in the last ten years. I hope that doesn't sound negative, just a counterpoint. And guys like Pete Yorn would sound good playing guitar on an iPhone. The Kemper is as easy as turning on an amp and has a nearly unlimited amount of creative possibilities. It's the first simulator that I don't really even question the sound. It's there. Keep one amp for that thump in the chest in-the-room-sound...but other than that, I think this thing is a songwriter's dream. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 23, 2015 9:53:20 GMT -6
what about for guys who will probably never own a pedal board or a space where they can shed/shred at a practice studio volume?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2015 10:01:17 GMT -6
It's got all the effects you would ever use...
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Post by LesC on May 23, 2015 12:12:26 GMT -6
In case you don't know about it, the Behringer FCB1010 foot controller is great when combined with the UnO-for-Kemper chip! I think it was designed in conjunction with Kemper, before he came out with his own controller. I like the Behringer/Uno-For-Kemper better and it's much less expensive.  |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 23, 2015 15:05:51 GMT -6
There is 6 electric guitar parts on this tune. I used a real amp and the Kemper, 3 tracks a piece. See if you guys can tell which is which. I can't and I know which is which.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/past-the-point-of-rescue
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Post by gouge on May 23, 2015 15:55:06 GMT -6
don't worry about it @johnkenn all good at my end. I wasn't trying to dis kempler. i was interested in cowboys thoughts and was heading down that path. I've still got tube amps gouge. And I still use them from time to time too, but since getting this Kemper, I seldom mic an amp. In fact I've got my AC 3o on loan to my nephew. But I won't loan him my Kemper  That wasn't my point. You said you can't get sounds as good as the Kemper in a project studio. I didn't agree. That's all. |
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Post by ragan on May 25, 2015 13:23:53 GMT -6
Hey Kemper guys. I'm thinking of ordering one for 15% off at GC today. I can return it if it doesn't blow my hair back.
Question though, is the only way to get it into the DAW via SPDIF? My Burl B2 lives on my SPDIF L/R. Would I have to constantly be re patching that SPDIF to use both?
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Post by LesC on May 25, 2015 13:48:22 GMT -6
SPDIF is one way to go, but a lot of people use the analog outputs into an ADC. I think Johnkenn likes the analog outputs into his Burl, so that might work well for you. I've used the Kemper SPDIF as well as analog into my Burl, both work great!
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Post by ragan on May 25, 2015 13:50:47 GMT -6
SPDIF is one way to go, but a lot of people use the analog outputs into an ADC. I think Johnkenn likes the analog outputs into his Burl, so that might work well for you. I've used the Kemper SPDIF as well as analog into my Burl, both work great! Ahh gotcha. Thanks. |
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Post by LesC on May 25, 2015 14:01:37 GMT -6
SPDIF is one way to go, but a lot of people use the analog outputs into an ADC. I think Johnkenn likes the analog outputs into his Burl, so that might work well for you. I've used the Kemper SPDIF as well as analog into my Burl, both work great! Ahh gotcha. Thanks. You're welcome, just remember as someone wrote above, it's all about the profiles. If you just try the profiles that come with the Kemper, you may be disappointed. At least try out the freebies from Michael Britt's site. |
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Post by ragan on May 25, 2015 14:53:57 GMT -6
You're welcome, just remember as someone wrote above, it's all about the profiles. If you just try the profiles that come with the Kemper, you may be disappointed. At least try out the freebies from Michael Britt's site. Yeah I'll definitely try the Britt samples. Those are the ones that sold me on giving this crazy Alien's Alarm Clock a try. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 25, 2015 14:58:20 GMT -6
Those are the ones that sold me on giving this crazy Alien's Alarm Clock a try.   lolololololol |
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Post by formatcyes on May 25, 2015 15:04:36 GMT -6
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Post by maxy on May 25, 2015 15:07:00 GMT -6
I am a total tube amp snob and have a hefty collection of old fenders etc but I recently closed down my studio (my job for the past decade) and moved across the country due to a family situation. I fell into a deep depression not being able to mic amps and I still had some guitar tracks to record. I got a Kemper and life is good again. It delivers. I had read about mbritt profiles before I got my kemper and had pack 1 and 2 before it arrived.
I find the Kemper a great tool because I can switch my amp so much faster than if I use a real amp. Makes it fast and easy to find the right tone for the song. That is inspiring to me. I had to spend a lot of time finding my favorite tones and ones that matched my guitars etc but once that is done its fast. I played more guitar during the first couple months of having the Kemper than the last 3 years. Fun shit! Like being a teenager again.
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Post by LesC on May 25, 2015 16:51:06 GMT -6
Welcome maxy! I hope your depression is OK, my daughter's has been going on for about 20 years now. And no, not only because I'm her dad.
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Post by LesC on May 25, 2015 17:04:19 GMT -6
Atomic Amps used to be the powered speakers sold directly by Fractal to facilitate use of it's Axe-FX systems on stage. At least that's what I'm remembering. I'm not sure if Fractal and Atomic have the same owners. The Atomic "Artists" page lists a lot of great guitarists that use the Atomic "CLR Reference Monitors" for their Fractal boxes, not necessarily the Atomic "Amplifire" pedals. Fractal is also coming out with a small effects-only pedal, the "FX8 Multi-Effects Pedal Board". It's about twice as much as the Atomic Amplifire, but Fractal effects have been considered by many to be the finest modeled effects available. Wow, so much choice! For now, I'm happy with my rack-mounted Kemper and my FCB1010 foot contoller with the Uno4Kemper chip. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2015 17:09:31 GMT -6
I am a total tube amp snob and have a hefty collection of old fenders etc but I recently closed down my studio (my job for the past decade) and moved across the country due to a family situation. I fell into a deep depression not being able to mic amps and I still had some guitar tracks to record. I got a Kemper and life is good again. It delivers. I had read about mbritt profiles before I got my kemper and had pack 1 and 2 before it arrived. I find the Kemper a great tool because I can switch my amp so much faster than if I use a real amp. Makes it fast and easy to find the right tone for the song. That is inspiring to me. I had to spend a lot of time finding my favorite tones and ones that matched my guitars etc but once that is done its fast. I played more guitar during the first couple months of having the Kemper than the last 3 years. Fun shit! Like being a teenager again. Welcome, maxy! LesC is right about me going analog...I think it sounds better - but that's just me. Don't bother with the profiles that come with the Kemper - they're not very usable. I believe Kemper has some free downloads from The Amp Factory and Michael Britt though...This latest Michael Britt Vintage Pack is just the bomb. Just remember - compare the Kemper to the sounds you recorded to when you played your mic'd up amp. Just by sheer volume, a real amp in a room is always going to be more "impressive." |
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