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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2013 23:14:01 GMT -6
To hear Lowery tell it, though, those royalties can’t go much further down. In a post appearing beneath the remarkably subtle headline, “My Song Got Played on Pandora 1 Million Times and All I Got Was $16.89, Less Than What I Make From A Single T-Shirt Sale“, Lowery published his royalty statements for the fourth quarter of 2012. His 40 percent ownership of the song “Low” earned him $1,373.78 in royalties from 18,797 plays on terrestrial radio, while 1.159 million plays on Pandora brought in just $16.89. Sirius XM played the song 179 times, earning him $181.94. For those playing along at home, that comes to $2.54 per play for Sirius, $0.18 per play for terrestrial radio, and $0.00003 per play for Pandora. thetrichordist.com/2013/06/24/my-song-got-played-on-pandora-1-million-times-and-all-i-got-was-16-89-less-than-what-i-make-from-a-single-t-shirt-sale/There's some blogger claiming that it is "patently untrue"...Well, I will be more than happy to provide my BMI statement that shows $3.00 for 27,000 plays...He got totally raped... |
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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2013 21:32:41 GMT -6
This is theft, plain and simple. I don't understand how Pandora gets away with it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 24, 2013 22:47:43 GMT -6
Cannibals.
Oh, I nearly forgot, my friend Sal Maida plays bass in Cracker, I'll ask him about it next time I see him
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2013 10:36:47 GMT -6
It's going to be the death of our industry.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2013 10:46:23 GMT -6
Some argue that Pandora and ilk are already paying the same rate as radio - per impression. For example - when a song plays on the radio, in say - Dallas - they estimate (who the hell estimates this?) the number of people that are listening at that time...so - you get two spins per day in Dallas, you could get credit for millions of impressions. Now, with Pandora and Spotalie, your song plays and they say that's worth one impression - based on the radio formula...Like .00111 cent...
Well I would argue that THAT IMPRESSION is is worth FAR MORE than a million people with the radio on while they're in the shower. That person selectively sought out the music - or the music channel they're playing. They had to say, "Hey - I want to hear some Neil Young today..." They typed in Neil Young - and there it is - FREE. Meanwhile, Pandora and Spotify are making MILLIONS off the back of all these artists.
Why doesn't the music industry create their own vehicle for streaming - run by a board of directors - and set their own pricing? Pandora and Spotify can either follow suit or risk losing the music when the contracts run out...
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Post by jakemurray on Jul 26, 2013 4:19:39 GMT -6
You have to remember that the Industry big boys were approached with the streaming services long ago and shot the idea down as a farce, genuinely believing the Internet was a fad and piracy/online presence would fizzle out and they could regain control the old fashioned way: by suing people and selling CDs (at extortionate prices)... yeah, right.
I have to agree with you on the streaming sites holding a far more significant impression as people are seeking out the music that they wanna hear. Another valid point you made is that radio is free and these services like Pandora are not. If they're charging people for access on such a large scale, is that going to developers? If so, how come they need so much more money than broadcast radio for their sites? If it's going in their pockets for profit when they're already making their money from advertising as well... what the fuck are they playing at? How can someone introduce a platform based on their "love of music" and not pay the people who make the songs and need the money. If there's no cash going to the artists, there's certainly no cashing going to the engineers...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 26, 2013 6:59:12 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2013 10:35:29 GMT -6
That's a sickening thought. He's making more money than the artists who created the product he's selling. Guy's that savvy and ambitious often make lots of money, no big deal, why not? That said, they should also give back properly. Biting the hands that feed is insane.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 11, 2013 10:51:53 GMT -6
Thats crazy . I'll never listen to Pandora again . |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 11, 2013 11:47:00 GMT -6
I've stopped too. You see that article with the Pink and black picture?
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Post by scumbum on Aug 11, 2013 12:50:37 GMT -6
I've stopped too. You see that article with the Pink and black picture? Yeah , I actually copied it and emailed it to my friend to show him how its almost impossible to make money with your music these days . Some of those figures , like the plays online are insane . I mean to get that many plays a month alone means your doing good in the music industry . Spotify , 4 million plays ?? Rhapsody 850,000 plays A month and you only make Minimum wage ?? And on top of that if someone can listen to your song with an online service like Pandora for example , theres even less reason right there for them to go buy your music . Like if I wanna listen to Metallica Enter Sandman right now , all I do is go on youtube and listen to it . I don't need to buy the song . I hate the internet ............. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 11, 2013 13:03:46 GMT -6
That's the problem with these services. The value of the impression. I think the value per play on a spotalie and pandora should be waaaay more than terrestrial radio.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 11, 2013 16:07:52 GMT -6
That's the problem with these services. The value of the impression. I think the value per play on a spotalie and pandora should be waaaay more than terrestrial radio. Yeah the value should be more because the online services are worldwide (Huge listening audience ) and the listener can choose what bands/music they want to listen to . Terrestrial radio is just local to the area it broadcasts (much fewer listeners than online) and you can't pick what bands you wanna listen to , you hope they play them . This is my vision of what the internet should be......... No one should be able to listen to music for free (unless of course the artists wants to give out his music ) . What should have really happened with the internet was big record stores like Tower Records should have made an online site where you become a member with a monthly fee and you can browse and listen to their library of music . If your not a member to an online music site , you should not be able to find any free music online ANYWHERE . There should be HUGE fines that would hurt all these companies profits , like youtube , where if something on their site breaks copyright law , youtube for hosting the video is held accountable , not the uploader , and the fine should go by how many views the video has , like a dollar per illegal view . Like for example "Metallica Enter Sandman" . I wanna listen to that right now , I don't have to buy it , I can listen to it for free as many times as I want . This video right here , I'm sure is an illegal upload , how many views does it have , 23 Million . Thats 23 Million times Metallica the creators of this work got screwed . Youtube themselves , for hosting the video should get a fine of a $1 per every illegal view . So Youtube would have to pay the rights holder of Enter Sandman $23 Million dollars because of this video right here . If that was the Law , Youtube would make damn sure every video uploaded was checked for copyright infringment . |
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Post by sozocaps on Aug 17, 2013 20:25:06 GMT -6
I would like to continue this discussion.... It's pure theft...
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Post by Rock Kennedy on May 7, 2014 14:03:25 GMT -6
After a little number crunching, I think I have correctly calculated that Lowery can earn just as much as Pandora's owner, if he can simply get everyone on earth to listen to one of his songs everyday for 9 months. Difficult, but doable. |
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Post by wiz on May 9, 2014 17:19:30 GMT -6
LOL
cheers
Wiz
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