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Post by mobeach on Sept 13, 2015 16:21:45 GMT -6
I'm wondering if the tone circuits and neck pickup on/off switch really make a difference since there's also a pickup selector switch?
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 13, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -6
Owner of both here. They're slightly different beasts:
Jazzmaster - has both a Rhythm and Lead circuit. Rhythm circuit is both pickups in series, Lead is either pickup or both in parallel. Very different - rhythm circuit is much darker, in general I don't use it since I do a lot of bright rock guitars. Overall the sound of a JM is very spectrally broad and quite biting. Lots of like 3Khz aggression.
Jaguar - same roughly but the Lead circuit also has a bass cut. Combined with the tone control that can make for midrangey tones. Overall the Jag is more 'Strat-y' sounding than a Jazzmaster. More of a 1-2Khz peak.
I'd consider the selector useful in situations where you want to have 2 different volumes or where you want a jazz-type rhythm sound as I find it softens the attack quite a bit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 13, 2015 18:02:45 GMT -6
THIS ^^
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Post by donr on Sept 14, 2015 19:00:40 GMT -6
I could never figure out the purpose of Jazzmaster/Jaguar Fenders. All the recording artists used Strats and Tele's. I loved the looks, but where were the hits with the instruments?
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 15, 2015 4:01:51 GMT -6
They're great rock and funk instruments because of the top end, but they're fairly impolite guitars in comparison to Strats and Teles. But people like Hendrix and Elvis Costello were big into Jazzmasters - as well as the big rock heads from the 90's like Dinosaur Jr., Nirvana, Sonic Youth etc. etc. Dick Dale and other surf heads were using Jazzmasters too - maybe the Beach Boys? Seen some pics of them with them.
Hendrix in a backing band doing some good funk/rnb on a JM. Upstaging the band really!
John Frusciante and Jonny Marr are probably the big Jaguar players. Kurt Cobain used them on all his stuff, and so did the dudes from Television. For hits with Mr. Marr, you can take your pick - but John Frusciante it's notably the pre By The Way stuff that he used a lot. Under The Bridge is pure Jag gold.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 15, 2015 4:30:58 GMT -6
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 15, 2015 5:42:15 GMT -6
Good article - the trem is a great reason too, such a beauty of a thing.
I think the reason Strat/Tele and even the Les Paul thing is ubiquitous is because there's such a tradition of how to record and how to shape these guitars to what people want. The Strat trem can be blocked off and so they're tuning stable and very modular - you know what a Tele into a Tubescreamer into a JCM800 will sound like, you know what a Strat into a Fuzz Face into an AC30 will sound like. Also as I said before the guitars are bigger and, in particular with the JM, the extension in the bottom and top is crazy in comparison to a Strat.
JM's and Jag's are different beasts and a musician who can't manage or use the sustaining/feedback nature of the beast is doomed to hate it or at least be kind of confused by it. The necks aren't good for shredding, the necks are longer, the rear side of the bridge rings a lot unless you dampen it, the bridges usually require some customization or very heavy strings (I only use 11's, so I've had to modify my bridge).
I love playing them, wouldn't send the world out to buy them. Even the other guitarist in my band loves that I plays them, but doesn't particularly like borrowing them.
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 15, 2015 7:49:21 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Oct 24, 2015 14:28:35 GMT -6
Wow I was surprised how similar the Jaguar and Jazzmaster sounded. The Jazzmaster with more jangle on the top though like you said. Very different from the strat. I think the bridge / tailpiece of those guitars gives them sort of a compressed sound and feel, compared to the usual stop tail or tunomatic type guitars most people use. Can be weird to adjust to if it's not what you're after, indeed. But they ring out in such a cool way. The closest I have at home is an old Supro Lexington from the '60s. I feel like these things love overdrive and distortion.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 24, 2015 14:35:59 GMT -6
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Post by mobeach on Oct 24, 2015 16:07:09 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 24, 2015 17:06:26 GMT -6
Yep, took some fresh pics for my Craigslist ad yesterday, but gave you guys a sneak peek.
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Post by sean on Oct 24, 2015 19:42:53 GMT -6
I have a '64 Jaguar and an early 2000's American Jazzmaster. At least with mine, the Jaguar is biter, a little sharper sounding. I recently had Carter Vintage rebuild my original pots because they were freezing up and I think they wired it back up wrong because both volume and tone are both acting like tone. I guess I should have to plugged it up and tested it before I left...just figured for how long ago/how much they charged it wasn't necessary...
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Post by winetree on Oct 24, 2015 21:16:47 GMT -6
I remember back in the day you couldn't give either away. In pawn shops that's all you saw.
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 25, 2015 4:40:10 GMT -6
Wow I was surprised how similar the Jaguar and Jazzmaster sounded. The Jazzmaster with more jangle on the top though like you said. Very different from the strat. I think the bridge / tailpiece of those guitars gives them sort of a compressed sound and feel, compared to the usual stop tail or tunomatic type guitars most people use. Can be weird to adjust to if it's not what you're after, indeed. But they ring out in such a cool way. The closest I have at home is an old Supro Lexington from the '60s. I feel like these things love overdrive and distortion. Yeah, the Strat is much more narrow sound. The Jazz for some things is just too bright, so I tend to default to my Jag. For drop tuned stuff, I actually thought I'd prefer the Jazzmaster but actually the Jag sounds better in lower tunings. So for stuff in CGDGAD or variations I use my Jaguar, and for DADABE, reg Drop D or standard I use my Jazz. They do indeed love distortion, the feedback you can get is ridiculous. Really a beautiful instrument for the harsher, noisier stuff.
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Post by b1 on Oct 25, 2015 6:23:05 GMT -6
Nels Cline has played a Jazzmaster for ages. He owns both Jags & Jazzes.
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2015 7:11:47 GMT -6
Owner of both here. They're slightly different beasts: Jazzmaster - has both a Rhythm and Lead circuit. Rhythm circuit is both pickups in series, Lead is either pickup or both in parallel. Very different - rhythm circuit is much darker, in general I don't use it since I do a lot of bright rock guitars. Overall the sound of a JM is very spectrally broad and quite biting. Lots of like 3Khz aggression. Jaguar - same roughly but the Lead circuit also has a bass cut. Combined with the tone control that can make for midrangey tones. Overall the Jag is more 'Strat-y' sounding than a Jazzmaster. More of a 1-2Khz peak. I'd consider the selector useful in situations where you want to have 2 different volumes or where you want a jazz-type rhythm sound as I find it softens the attack quite a bit. Not all Jazzes and Jags are wired correctly!! A ton of them are mis-wired so that the "rhythm" circuit is merely the neck pickup with separate volume and tone controls.
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