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Post by joey808 on Sept 5, 2013 1:21:22 GMT -6
I'm gonna do it, Im going to build something! Need guidance on what tools to purchase. Its driving me nuts watching you guys build all kinds of cool stuff! Lol! It's time to learn. Any advise on where and what to buy would be appreciated! Thanks Ok Joey, i cant seem to add a master post, and move it to the top of this thread , so without objection, i'm adding it to your post. If this is no good to you, let me know, and i'll start a brand new thread. please post on to the thread with any additional tool links, and i'll put them up top. Thanx TonySoldering/desoldering ironswww.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0790A71927&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Soldering-_-9SIA0790A71927www.circuitspecialists.com/soldering-station-60-watt-3dlf.htmlwww.google.com/#q=silver+solderwww.frys.com/product/2760813?source=googleps&gclid=CNebrpGf-7kCFYw1QgodxjIAxg IMV, must have!!Multi Meters www.circuitspecialists.com/csims8264.htmlwww.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=96H6287&CMP=KNC-GPLA&mckv=%7Cpcrid%7C27090000261%7Cplid%7C Check ebay/craigslist for deals...be careful!!Cutters/stripperswww.all-spec.com/products/Wire.Cable_Tools_and_Acc%7CWire_Strippers_and_Cutters%7CTOL-4D/CHP-170.htmlwww.sparkfun.com/products/8696Misc.www.samsclub.com/sams/ledu-economy-magnifier-lamps/127999.ip?pid=_CSE_Google_PLA_Lamps&CAWELAID=730010300000081936%26catargetid%3D730010300000000043%26cadevice%3D%7bdevice%7d&cagpspn=pla critical to me personally(not this particular one, just the function)www.widgetsupply.com/product/XWS2-1040.html?gclid=CJ3D47Gc-7kCFYaDQgodKxgA_gwww.harborfreight.com/6-piece-pick-set-93514.html these are absolutely critical to me alsowww.techni-tool.com/664SO801?gclid=CO759fGf-7kCFaFxQgodtRUATg&ef_id=UR8o-wAAADwlxaMo:20131003180246:s
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Post by timmyboy on Sept 5, 2013 3:34:15 GMT -6
I'm just going through the same thing at the moment. I've been looking at the best I can get for what I can afford (or want to spend on tools - because I want to spend as much as possible in kits). While at the same time - making sure Everything I get is good enough to do a PERFECT job. I bought a Hakko 888 soldering iron. I noticed that a few different sources were recommending different tips for the soldering iron. Since the tips are cheap - I've bought both the tip that CAPI recommends and the tip that Seventh Circle Audio recommend on their site. In fact the page on Seventh Circle Audio seems to be a great list of everything you need. It even recommended a $45 multimeter that has much better specs than any of the multimeters I had previously seen in that price range (Tenma 72-7925). So the two guides I've followed to see what I would need are - www.classicapi.com/catalog/images/gallery/VP26/VP2x-Assembly-Guide.pdfwww.seventhcircleaudio.com/asmtips.htmHope it helps!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 7:21:38 GMT -6
You don't have to invest alot of money to start. A solid soldering iron with fine tips. I have a weller, but there's very good other or cheaper stuff on the market, like Hakko and others.... Too cheap breaks fast, so it should be one of those that are recommended at the obvious mentioned places. An el cheapo multimeter, ok, you might invest in a better one, but, well, i guess everybody buys more than one....i have one in every corner...with transistor/diode tester, comes handy... I bought a very cheap handy LCR-Meter years ago while that kind of stuff was very new and expensive around here still - via ebay from singapore. 15 bucks. Worked. Nice to have. Solder sucker pump....better take two....(even the little more expensive ones can break faster than expected. Yes, they suck. Really, in different ways... But a more professional vacuum sucking machine that really cuts it is quite expensive and you won't need it in the beginning...or ever...) A "third hand" kind of thingie, those cheap things with a magnifying glass and two crocodiles. Cheap but indispensible. Solder 60tin-40lead with rosin core. Solder wick. I make my own kind of flux with 'rosin' (i.e. collophonium, that i bought in a 1 kg plastic container very cheap at the hardware store) solved in alcohol. Works. I also prepare self-etched PCBs with this liquid in a whole before i start to solder them. There is special PCB cleaner spray on the market, comes handy to clean up the rosin resists after soldering (this stuff contains acids, that can do harm in the long term, and especially microphone PCBs have to be 'surgically' clean!) From what i know, it mostly contains orange oil and alcohol. A mixture of both cleans up all rosin resists easily after a short time beeing on the surface, the rest can be washed down with pure alcohol. A toothbrush makes it even easier. (Tastes funny afterwards. Just a joke....) Precision tweezers. OK, these are not so cheap. But i never regret this buy. Bought the kind of stuff that they had in motorolas internal support and analysis workstations for mobiles. Safety goggles. Could safe you an eye if you don't wear glasses already. Shrink tubing, different gauges. Don't leave this one out. You will wish you have had it. Heat gun. Cheap and you will buy one anyway. For the shrink tubings and for desoldering of whole PCBs. And for soldering some SMD parts in one or the other occasion. Hmm, i guess that's it for the moment.... On your mark, get set, SOLDER!!! Best regards, Martin PS: And of course you need small needlenose pliers, a small(!) (side-)cutter, aaaand - an 'automatic' wire stripper (this one is damn cheap but very, very handy.)
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 5, 2013 11:37:33 GMT -6
good thread Joey! i think i'll put together a tool list ranging from cheap through expensive, but all very usable and make this thread a sticky? let me know what you fella's think, and post up links to any tools you've bought and work real well. Maybe mention tools that were a total fail also, to help bro's avoid "junk" in the future.
thanx T
btw, joey, i'd buy the hakko 888 like timmy did(any feedback tim?), and an hakko 808 desoldering gun which is an invaluable and awesome tool
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 5, 2013 11:41:49 GMT -6
An el cheapo multimeter, ok, you might invest in a better one, but, well, i guess everybody buys more than one....i have one in every corner...with transistor/diode tester, comes handy... I bought a very cheap handy LCR-Meter years ago while that kind of stuff was very new and expensive around here still - via ebay from singapore. 15 bucks. Worked. Nice to have. I bought a great fluke 87v on evilbay $175.00, and a second cheapy that measures HFE of transistors, invaluable for matching transistors, and cost $30
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Post by joey808 on Sept 5, 2013 17:18:11 GMT -6
Thanks,You guys are awesome!
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Post by timmyboy on Sept 5, 2013 18:05:22 GMT -6
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Post by joey808 on Sept 5, 2013 18:33:39 GMT -6
good thread Joey! i think i'll put together a tool list ranging from cheap through expensive, but all very usable and make this thread a sticky? let me know what you fella's think, and post up links to any tools you've bought and work real well. Maybe mention tools that were a total fail also, to help bro's avoid "junk" in the future. thanx T btw, joey, i'd buy the hakko 888 like timmy did(any feedback tim?), and an hakko 808 desoldering gun which is an invaluable and awesome tool This would be great, thanks Tony!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 5, 2013 22:52:56 GMT -6
wow! I didn't know that solder even existed! cool, if jeff says it works, it works. I still would clean with 99% alcohol, and a toothbrush, but that's because I'm a pimoa(pain in my own ass) lol! I'll get to work on the sticky over the weekend. good stuff fella's T
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Post by danetate on Sept 9, 2013 19:03:32 GMT -6
I use organic core solder - not sure if this is what Jeff is using - an engineer from Lowrance Electronics recommended this to me years ago. It has water based flux, so you can clean it under the faucet with your toothbrush (well maybe not YOUR toothbrush, but A toothbrush) and a bit of soap.
It doesn't solder quite as easily as resin-core though. But it isn't bad in my opinion. I'm using Kester SN63PB37.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 2:53:55 GMT -6
Lead bender, Angled clippers, panavise (not at all necessary but well worth it), stripaxe (expensive but so good), magnifying glass
jump in, it is easier than you might think, be methodical and "measure" twice: solder once
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Post by svart on Sept 10, 2013 7:39:39 GMT -6
No clean solder is the bane of any engineer/technician's existence. The flux used in it barely works. In my 20 years of soldering, nothing works better than regular old leaded solder with rosin core. Just use some acetone to clean it with a pig bristle brush and some paper towels.
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Post by gar381 on Sept 13, 2013 0:06:43 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Sept 13, 2013 9:02:12 GMT -6
I use high end flukes at work, but honestly at home, i use a cheap Chinese meter that has most everything built in, including hfe and cap measurements. It cost me 15$ and seems to be pretty close to the fluke measurements. I think most cheap meters are certainly close enough for most diy use, so don't worry about buying a super expensive fluke.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2013 10:22:21 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd , Did you ever put together a list? I'm going to begin my VP28 builds soon and need to get all the necessary tools. I've got a Hakko FX-888D iron and that's it. I need everything else. Amazon links would be killer too if you've got the time! Thanks man! -Jesse
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 1, 2013 10:25:18 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd , Did you ever put together a list? I'm going to begin my VP28 builds soon and need to get all the necessary tools. I've got a Hakko FX-888D iron and that's it. I need everything else. Amazon links would be killer too if you've got the time! Thanks man! -Jesse Hey jcoutu1, i dropped the ball on that, i'll grab up stuff people mentioned, and what ever else i can think of, and make a sticky lead post before the weekend.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2013 11:15:45 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd , Did you ever put together a list? I'm going to begin my VP28 builds soon and need to get all the necessary tools. I've got a Hakko FX-888D iron and that's it. I need everything else. Amazon links would be killer too if you've got the time! Thanks man! -Jesse Hey jcoutu1, i dropped the ball on that, i'll grab up stuff people mentioned, and what ever else i can think of, and make a sticky lead post before the weekend. That would be killer. Thanks man!
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Post by gar381 on Oct 2, 2013 12:27:26 GMT -6
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Post by jimwilliams on Oct 13, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -6
You need a decent bench fitted with the basic tools. A meter and scope are necessary. A graphical analyzer in either hardware or software is also needed to test and "verify". You can use a soundcard and freeware or spend $15,000 on a new Audio Precision 2600 rig. Look for cheap, accessable test gear and tools at: www.mcmelectronics.comIt's not much fun working on your gear if you can't figure out how to fix your mistakes.
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Post by stringbender on Jan 6, 2014 12:58:20 GMT -6
Hakko 888D , numerous soldering tips, Hakko makes a couple of long tips that I seem to like for tight spots. Fluke 179 (ouch$$$$$!!!!) panavise circuit board holder . You won't be sorry . I also bought a panavise 201 jr it is just right for the 2520 op amp boards. 5 inch lighted magnifier you must have a good magnifier with a good light ,kester no clean solder .
You can save some money purchasing solder and tips from Kimco , but the rest of it I pretty much bought on Amazon
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Post by tonecraft on Mar 29, 2014 19:57:24 GMT -6
I recommend investing in an audio friendly meter. It might cost you a few hundred but it is the most important piece of test gear you will use. I use a Fluke 187 has the ability to do "relative" reference measurements, dbm and dbv and can measure very fast voltage spikes as well as RMS voltages. I beat the crap out of mine and it has worked great for me going on 12 years.
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Post by ericn on Aug 13, 2014 1:13:52 GMT -6
As I get older I find a pair of 3.5 power dollar store reading glasses to be my top tooll!
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Post by guavatone on Dec 28, 2017 11:29:16 GMT -6
Hakko 936 station Desolder pump like Peterson shows. The powered ones are so finicky, but now I need a leg pad for endless pump pushing into my leg. Metal Awl for all those annoying strands of shielded cables Toothbrushes Solder Spooler. I never thought is would be a game changer until I got one. component bins if you can find good deals every once in a while stock up on em Helping hands and extra alligator clips
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Post by jimwilliams on Dec 28, 2017 11:47:48 GMT -6
Since California is an official RoHS state I must use lead free solder on new production. Older rework can still use lead based.
Here I use Kester 48 SN96 3% silver, 1/2% copper .020 for the fine work. The rest gets SN96 4% silver, a special alloy they make without copper. It costs about $125 per 1 lb roll, expensive but it sounds wonderful.
California will begin enforcing the RoHS restictions here as soon as they legalize beastiality and legalize all the illegal aliens.
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