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Post by lolo on Oct 6, 2013 5:05:29 GMT -6
Anyone here recording with a Hummingbird? Or perhaps a J45?
How are they as studio workhorses?
thing is in Australia the Gibson acoustics are way more expensive than in the U.S
told my wife, if we ever do a trip to the U.S, we will return with a Gibson acoustic.
the ones I have played here really wowed me.
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Post by svart on Oct 7, 2013 7:07:43 GMT -6
I'll ask this guitarist I've been working with what his guitar model is. We've recorded his Gibson acoustic, but it's an older model I think. It sounded really great. It had a deep tone but he used brighter strings and it sang.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2013 9:20:42 GMT -6
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Post by lolo on Apr 24, 2015 11:22:14 GMT -6
Can grab a great deal on a Hummingbird true vintage. Gonna have a look tomorrow. Almost too good to miss. Will see how it sounds and plays first.
Anyone recorded a hummingbird? Sound good infront of a mic?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 24, 2015 17:07:29 GMT -6
It depends.. if you want a sort of bluesey sound, Gibsons are classic, if you want a more folk/singer/songwriter sound, Martin's are more prevalent. So it kind of depends on what style you usually want. Jimmy Page, Mark Knopfler, mainly use Martin's or Martin style guitars. That's not to say they don't use Gibsons sometimes. Also more classic Country artists used Martin's too.
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Post by geoff738 on Apr 24, 2015 18:35:59 GMT -6
I'm more of a Martin end of the spectrum guy. But ... the Gibby's really are different, even when they're spec'ed almost exactly like their Martin equivalent. To me the Gibbys give more note fundamental and are therefore have more of a mid-emphasis, while I hear Martins tending to have more focus on the (upper) harmonics. I also have friends who would describe it exactly the opposite. So, what do I know?
Also, there's a pretty wide range in the Gibson fold. Jumbos? Square shoulder dreads? Slope shoulder? How about a vintage ladder braced LG-oo. Jumbos make me think Emmylou, Townshend, Zep I. Everly Bros. Square shoulder dreads - Keef did ok with Doves and Hummingbirds. And J-45s are noted as workhorses for a reason. So yeah, depends what you want. Killer bluegrass canon? Advanced Jumbo (which is a square shouldered dread). Singer-songwriter?J-45. Authentic 30s bluesman - something in an LG. So, make sure you want the Gibson thing. It's not a Martin thing, but it's not a bad thing. Different.
So you really have to try them. Although there are some decent things on youtube that give good Martin to Gibson comparisons. I'll try to look some up and get back to this.
I'm personally GASing for a J-185 (small Jumbo in Collings and other's speak) but a 45 wouldn't suck. And, I recently played a 50s SJ (dread) that may have been the best acoustic I've ever played. Stunningly good. Balanced. I mean Balanced. It had everything.
Good luck on your search!
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by lolo on Apr 24, 2015 22:38:10 GMT -6
Just played the Hummingbird True Vintage. Oh my. Such a joy. Great sounding guitar. Made the guy a trading offer. He is thinking about. If he accepts im a lucky man. Will be a massive bargain
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Post by ragan on Apr 25, 2015 11:27:11 GMT -6
I just went on a significant search for my "main" acoustic. I settled on an (older) Gibson Songwriter Deluxe. I *LOVE* this guitar. Beautiful, balanced midrange compared to the more scooped sound of classic Martins (which I also love). My runner up was the Martin HD28-V but this Gibson just totally won me over. Not exactly like a Hummingbird but probably in the same general territory.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2015 11:51:56 GMT -6
I just sold my J45 because I got the D-28 Authentic. It was a fantastic guitar, but ultimately the D28 is such a monster, I never really chose the j45 anymore. Probably could've/should've kept it, but the money was put to good use.
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Post by mobeach on Apr 25, 2015 11:58:36 GMT -6
Also, there's a pretty wide range in the Gibson fold. Jumbos? Square shoulder dreads? Slope shoulder? How about a vintage ladder braced LG-oo. Jumbos make me think Emmylou, Townshend, Zep I. Everly Bros. Square shoulder dreads - Keef did ok with Doves and Hummingbirds. And J-45s are noted as workhorses for a reason. So yeah, depends what you want. Killer bluegrass canon? Advanced Jumbo (which is a square shouldered dread). Singer-songwriter?J-45. Authentic 30s bluesman - something in an LG. So, make sure you want the Gibson thing. It's not a Martin thing, but it's not a bad thing. Different. Cheers, Geoff I heard the Jumbo's are too boomy for recording, and Dreadnaughts have a more well rounded EQ. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 25, 2015 12:04:07 GMT -6
Also, there's a pretty wide range in the Gibson fold. Jumbos? Square shoulder dreads? Slope shoulder? How about a vintage ladder braced LG-oo. Jumbos make me think Emmylou, Townshend, Zep I. Everly Bros. Square shoulder dreads - Keef did ok with Doves and Hummingbirds. And J-45s are noted as workhorses for a reason. So yeah, depends what you want. Killer bluegrass canon? Advanced Jumbo (which is a square shouldered dread). Singer-songwriter?J-45. Authentic 30s bluesman - something in an LG. So, make sure you want the Gibson thing. It's not a Martin thing, but it's not a bad thing. Different. Cheers, Geoff I heard the Jumbo's are too boomy for recording, and Dreadnaughts have a more well rounded EQ. Tell that to Keith! The Sticky Fingers/Let It Bleed era Stones records have some of my all time favorite acoustic guitar tones. Mostly J-200 and Hummingbird. I have a Guild F-50r that records really well. The sustain on that thing is amazing. |
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Post by mobeach on Apr 25, 2015 12:06:50 GMT -6
I heard the Jumbo's are too boomy for recording, and Dreadnaughts have a more well rounded EQ. Tell that to Keith! The Sticky Fingers/Let It Bleed era Stones records have some of my all time favorite acoustic guitar tones. Mostly J-200 and Hummingbird. There's always exceptions  |
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Post by ragan on Apr 25, 2015 12:57:19 GMT -6
Tell that to Keith! The Sticky Fingers/Let It Bleed era Stones records have some of my all time favorite acoustic guitar tones. Mostly J-200 and Hummingbird. There's always exceptions Very true. |
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Post by swurveman on Apr 25, 2015 14:35:33 GMT -6
Can grab a great deal on a Hummingbird true vintage. Gonna have a look tomorrow. Almost too good to miss. Will see how it sounds and plays first. Anyone recorded a hummingbird? Sound good infront of a mic? I've never had or recorded a Gibson Humminbird, but check this video out. It blew me away. Also: It looks like a Schoeps mic pointing at the neck, but there's another mic farther away pointing at the back of the guitar. Not sure if that was just for his voice or was part of the sound. |
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Post by yotonic on Apr 25, 2015 14:47:58 GMT -6
nice shirt that adds to the resonance
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Post by swurveman on Apr 25, 2015 15:08:39 GMT -6
nice shirt that adds to the resonance True. And the guy can play. That video was like the soundtrack of my youth. Check out the 50 second mark of this video. Damn if it isn't "Ramble On" in a black T shirt. |
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Post by lolo on Apr 25, 2015 22:35:07 GMT -6
Here she is picked, grabbed it last night. Gibson Hummingbird true vintage. Stupid good deal. Trade + cash. Have tried alot of hummingbirds and other Gibson, and some was nice. Never felt like THE guitar for me. But this guitar was just different. Tight, warm, big, loud. Just beautiful. After the first strum she had me. This will be my workhorse. For live and studio. Have some other nice alternatives that I can still use in the studio. Will miss my Cole Clark for live use, as it sounded great on stage.  |
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Post by lolo on Apr 25, 2015 22:37:54 GMT -6
Can grab a great deal on a Hummingbird true vintage. Gonna have a look tomorrow. Almost too good to miss. Will see how it sounds and plays first. Anyone recorded a hummingbird? Sound good infront of a mic? I've never had or recorded a Gibson Humminbird, but check this video out. It blew me away. Also: It looks like a Schoeps mic pointing at the neck, but there's another mic farther away pointing at the back of the guitar. Not sure if that was just for his voice or was part of the sound. Yeah its exactly the same model as in the video. When I first heard it yesterday it blew me away. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2015 9:56:00 GMT -6
Can grab a great deal on a Hummingbird true vintage. Gonna have a look tomorrow. Almost too good to miss. Will see how it sounds and plays first. Anyone recorded a hummingbird? Sound good infront of a mic? I've never had or recorded a Gibson Humminbird, but check this video out. It blew me away. Also: It looks like a Schoeps mic pointing at the neck, but there's another mic farther away pointing at the back of the guitar. Not sure if that was just for his voice or was part of the sound. Greg Koch is a monster...funny dude. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2015 9:58:03 GMT -6
One of the great - and weird things - about Gibsons is that they don't tend to hold their "new" value well. You can pick up a used Gibson acoustic for cheap...Nice.
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Post by donr on Apr 27, 2015 10:20:55 GMT -6
I had a Hummingbird in the '70's, sold it after a decade or so, it sounded dull, compared to Martins. Didn't sing.
I recently got a Gibson, an old B25, which is a 'student' guitar, but it sounds wonderful.
With acoustics, I find it's really the individual guitar more than the model or brand. Some just have it, and others don't.
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Post by lolo on Apr 27, 2015 19:17:29 GMT -6
I had a Hummingbird in the '70's, sold it after a decade or so, it sounded dull, compared to Martins. Didn't sing. I recently got a Gibson, an old B25, which is a 'student' guitar, but it sounds wonderful. With acoustics, I find it's really the individual guitar more than the model or brand. Some just have it, and others don't. Know exactly what you mean. Always wanted a J45 or Hummy. Tried plenty of standard models. none of them spoke to me. This Hummy TV was just different. as soon as i picked it up I knew it HAD to come home. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 29, 2015 8:41:33 GMT -6
Congrats lolo! To me, it's between the "Angie" or "Can't Always Get What You Want" sound, or the "Stairway to Heaven" sound. Gibson, or Martin.
I find it's Keith's playing and the great songwriting, not his guitar's sound that makes those classic Stones tracks truly great. On some tracks you can hear the strings buzzing, and we don't care. I've seen Keith play Martin's as well, and preferred that anyway. In a sense, it's a Blues tone vs. a Folk tone, and there's no right or wrong.
This is where I'm coming from, and you just can't get this from a Gibson:
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Post by ragan on Apr 29, 2015 8:45:40 GMT -6
Congrats lolo! To me, it's between the "Angie" or "Can't Always Get What You Want" sound, or the "Stairway to Heaven" sound. Gibson, or Martin. I find it's Keith's playing and the great songwriting, not his guitar's sound that makes those classic Stones tracks truly great. On some tracks you can hear the strings buzzing, and we don't care. I've seen Keith play Martin's as well, and preferred that anyway. In a sense, it's a Blues tone vs. a Folk tone, and there's no right or wrong. This is where I'm coming from, and you just can't get this from a Gibson: Except that Jimmy Page was (I'm pretty sure) playing his Harmony Sovereign on that record. Can be had today for like $400! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 29, 2015 11:00:22 GMT -6
Dang, wadda ya know, thanks Ragan.
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Still, I was referring to his sound in general, andI believe it was 90% of the time a Martin,. Please don't tell me "Your Time is Gonna Come" was the Harmony too, or I'll need a drink.
* update: I just googled it, and I'll be damned, he used a Gibson J-200, which he said was the best one he's ever played, ( t was a loaner). So, I guess the truth is, it's in the hands of the player, and Gibson or Martin aren't the biggest factors. Still, I prefer the Martin sound. I've had two custom shop, top of the line Gibson's, a J-200 and J-45 here, and my Martin D-41 Turbo, and everyone here agreed t was no contest, my Martin just whooped their ass.
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