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Post by ragan on Apr 29, 2015 11:21:02 GMT -6
Dang, wadda ya know, thanks Ragan. . Still, I was referring to his sound in general, andI believe it was 90% of the time a Martin,. Please don't tell me "Your Time is Gonna Come" was the Harmony too, or I'll need a drink. * update: I just googled it, and I'll be damned, he used a Gibson J-200, which he said was the best one he's ever played, ( t was a loaner). So, I guess the truth is, it's in the hands of the player, and Gibson or Martin aren't the biggest factors. Still, I prefer the Martin sound. I've had two custom shop, top of the line Gibson's, a J-200 and J-45 here, and my Martin D-41 Turbo, and everyone here agreed t was no contest, my Martin just whooped their ass. That is a really special Martin you've got. The whole thing is beyond subjective. Just gotta find a guitar that really speaks to you and you're golden for life. As for Page, I think he mostly played the Sovereign up through Led Zeppelin IV (with some exceptions). I've seen pics of him with a D28 I think. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 29, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -6
Looks like a Martin here: Attachments:
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Post by ragan on Apr 29, 2015 14:43:29 GMT -6
Yeah that's likely the D-28 he played. I can't remember if it's from the recent Jimmy Page book I read or the classic "Hammer of the Gods" bio I read a long time ago but he says the Sovereign was his "main" acoustic guitar through Led Zeppelin IV. He also sometimes played the D-28 and a J-200. Those Sovereigns are pretty nice, solid wood guitars though. U.S. made I think.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 22, 2015 21:21:18 GMT -6
Anyone here recording with a Hummingbird? Or perhaps a J45? How are they as studio workhorses? thing is in Australia the Gibson acoustics are way more expensive than in the U.S told my wife, if we ever do a trip to the U.S, we will return with a Gibson acoustic. the ones I have played here really wowed me. I have 2 vintage J-45's and a Hummingbird. That song I did for MJB Other Side Of Town, I used the Hummingbird on. Gibson are outstanding studio guitars. Most are easy to record in my experience. Nice and woody. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 22, 2015 21:46:48 GMT -6
Dang, I really like that sound cowboy, I assumed it was the Martin Turbo. Shows how much I know..
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 28, 2015 12:24:33 GMT -6
I played a used Santa Cruz Vintage Jumbo yesterday at Sound Pure.... it's a J45-ish guitar, and if I had $3500 to burn, I would have bought it. www.soundpure.com/p/santa-cruz-vj-vintage-jumbo-acoustic-guitar-used/10302I had never really played a good example of a J45 --- now I know what it's all about. This is a cool video with Richard Hoover, the founder of Santa Cruz explaining guitar building, tone woods, etc. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2015 13:40:57 GMT -6
I've had several Santa Cruz's...two Tony Rice's, a D-PW and another bearclaw mahogany D-PW. Awesome guitars...Overpriced, but awesome. joelhamilton has a beautiful vintage wood 1934D that sounds fantastic. It's not my D-28 Authentic, though...(I keed, I keed) I would absolutely suggest that you look on ebay for used J45 True Vintage's. I had one that was awesome. I've seen them go for as low as $2200 |
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Post by geoff738 on May 29, 2015 14:52:35 GMT -6
Dang, wadda ya know, thanks Ragan. . Still, I was referring to his sound in general, andI believe it was 90% of the time a Martin,. Please don't tell me "Your Time is Gonna Come" was the Harmony too, or I'll need a drink. * update: I just googled it, and I'll be damned, he used a Gibson J-200, which he said was the best one he's ever played, ( t was a loaner). So, I guess the truth is, it's in the hands of the player, and Gibson or Martin aren't the biggest factors. Still, I prefer the Martin sound. I've had two custom shop, top of the line Gibson's, a J-200 and J-45 here, and my Martin D-41 Turbo, and everyone here agreed t was no contest, my Martin just whooped their ass. IIRC the J-200 was borrowed from fellow session player Big Jim Sullivan. The Stairway acoustic may have been a Maton. I believe Page "borrowed" the Maton from someone and never gave it back. Although I may be misremembering things, I'm sure I've read that he used Matons on some of Zeps recordings. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on May 29, 2015 14:55:31 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2015 19:01:49 GMT -6
I thought stairway was a Harmony Sovereign or something like that.
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2015 0:34:22 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it's the Sovereign.
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Post by Randge on May 30, 2015 10:46:18 GMT -6
It takes many years for a Gibson to dry out and sound good to me. Martins are good right out of the shoot and only get better. This, talking the higher cost Martin guitars and not the $1,000 or less versions. fiddler63 has some of the best Gibsons I have ever recorded but they are old ones that are super dry and clear as a bell. He uses lighter gauge strings on them and they really sing. |
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Post by lolo on May 31, 2015 9:36:24 GMT -6
I bought the Hummingbird true vintage and absolutely love it. played it live for the first time last week at a show. was fantastic. wasn't sure how it will hold up live against my Cole Clark as the Cole Clarks are fantastic live guitars. But yeah it was superb. Different sound. Big and warm
Haven't recorded it yet as it's in to be repaired. nice crack it in. typing this with a tear in my eye :-(
played last week, and it wasn't a shady pub gig. was a theater show. getting ready to sound check just after the main act. As they were close to the end of their sound check i already took my guitar out and just had it on a stand (very stupid) to quickly grab it as we were pushed for time. The lead singers (of the main act) acoustic was playing up and it was the battery, so he took his battery out and threw it backstage (into the dark). my luck!! it hit my guitar. My week old Hummingbird true vintage. pissed off is a understatement
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Post by geoff738 on May 31, 2015 15:33:45 GMT -6
I bought the Hummingbird true vintage and absolutely love it. played it live for the first time last week at a show. was fantastic. wasn't sure how it will hold up live against my Cole Clark as the Cole Clarks are fantastic live guitars. But yeah it was superb. Different sound. Big and warm Haven't recorded it yet as it's in to be repaired. nice crack it in. typing this with a tear in my eye :-( played last week, and it wasn't a shady pub gig. was a theater show. getting ready to sound check just after the main act. As they were close to the end of their sound check i already took my guitar out and just had it on a stand (very stupid) to quickly grab it as we were pushed for time. The lead singers (of the main act) acoustic was playing up and it was the battery, so he took his battery out and threw it backstage (into the dark). my luck!! it hit my guitar. My week old Hummingbird true vintage. pissed off is a understatement Ouch!. Hopefully it's just a flesh wound and it'll sound just as good with added character. But, I feel your pain. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on May 31, 2015 15:37:28 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it's the Sovereign. Yeah, that seems to be what Wiki says, although he owned his Martin by that point. Dunno where I got the Maton idea from. Maybe an Andy Johns interview. A bit OT but Johns claims the 12 strings were Rickies (not the Fender XII) and that the solo was his main Lester and not the Tele into the Supro. Who knows? They were both there but memories can be faulty especially with substances around, and I suspect Page has told nearly as many whoppers as the good Reverend Gibbons. So, who knows? Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2015 21:22:38 GMT -6
That solo definitely sounds like humbuckers to me.
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Post by ragan on Jun 3, 2015 21:36:11 GMT -6
That solo definitely sounds like humbuckers to me. +1 |
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 3, 2015 22:31:56 GMT -6
That solo definitely sounds like humbuckers to me. Yeah it does. But so does LZ 1, and that's supposedly Tele into Supro for the most part. Kinda. Actually a lot of the tones are pretty ratty. But his 50's triple bucker Custom hadn't been stolen yet, so wouldn't it have been brought into the studio? And some of the stuff on II sure sounds like Tele (or at least not LP) to me. And I just saw a pic a couple days ago with Page in the studio with the Rickenbacher solid state amps he used at the beginning of Zep and there's a Supro in the pic too. So, LZ 1? But he's playing an LP burst. Doesn't look like the one he got from Walsh. But maybe it was just less banged up and faded. But basically, once it gets treated and mixed, it really is hard to tell whether it was single coil or bucker. We're so used to seeing Page live with the Paul and the Marshalls or HiWatts early on that we tend to equate that sound with him. I know I do. But on record his tones were all over the place. Back on topic to Gibson acoustic matters, I'm gassing for a John Walker J-185. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by ragan on Jun 3, 2015 23:02:19 GMT -6
I think Zeppelin I sounds like the Tele that it (supposedly) is. Especially stuff like "Communication Breakdown". That double disc DVD has a lot of live footage from that era with him playing the Tele and it sounds like the record to me. Squishy and nasty.
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 3, 2015 23:13:21 GMT -6
I think Zeppelin I sounds like the Tele that it (supposedly) is. Especially stuff like "Communication Breakdown". That double disc DVD has a lot of live footage from that era with him playing the Tele and it sounds like the record to me. Squishy and nasty. Yeah, and he was playing that with the Yardbirds. So no doubt it was there. I'm a Tele guy too, and i know they don't all sound brittle and trebly overkill. The good ones slay. But that record doesn't sound like it's all done on the same guitar to me. But again, different amps, different rooms/ studios etc. etc. Great record. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by ragan on Jun 4, 2015 0:24:48 GMT -6
I think Zeppelin I sounds like the Tele that it (supposedly) is. Especially stuff like "Communication Breakdown". That double disc DVD has a lot of live footage from that era with him playing the Tele and it sounds like the record to me. Squishy and nasty. Yeah, and he was playing that with the Yardbirds. So no doubt it was there. I'm a Tele guy too, and i know they don't all sound brittle and trebly overkill. The good ones slay. But that record doesn't sound like it's all done on the same guitar to me. But again, different amps, different rooms/ studios etc. etc. Great record. Cheers, Geoff I wouldn't be surprised if it was all the same guitar. They did that record in something like 30 hours studio time (I know....). Page mentions that he still has the invoice for the record. It's in his most recent book. I just read it but I can't think of the title (it's the one by the Guitar World guy). |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 4, 2015 8:29:53 GMT -6
I've lost track, are you guys referring to the solo in Stairway? I'd swear that's a Tele.
Page is a magician. He can take one guitar and make it sound three different ways just by miking it differently. I do believe on the first album the Tele was the main electric.
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