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Post by Guitar on Dec 29, 2017 14:28:53 GMT -6
Welp... I couldn't deal with it... I got a Supro Sahara coming in the mail next week from Sam Ash!
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 29, 2017 16:22:22 GMT -6
Anybody jump on these? If so, what’s the verdict? Cheers, Geoff I did not jump on one of these but what I did do is email the company with some technical questions about the new Dual Tone. I did not like the answers. 1) The neck is not the original Supro design made of solid aluminum with a wood veneer - it is a solid wood neck. How can this not affect the tone? 2) The neck mounting is not original. The original was a (very solid) one bolt mounting, with a second bolt to adjust neck tilt. The new version is a two bolt mounting that looks like the original but lacks the adjustment capability. My assumption is that this is related to the difference in neck material and construction. I also wonder if the bolts are real bolts as in the original, or simple wood screws as in Fenders and most others. To use bolts would require a metal insert embedded in the wood. 3) The electronics are not period correct, they are a conventional three way 1, 1+2, 2 switching configuration, but the original was up=2, middle=1 and down was 1 with a strangle cap inline, providing a very bright (Rickenbackeresque) tone at somewhat reduced volume. 1+2 could be acdhieved by catching the switch between the up & middle positions, like on an older Strat. To me, this significantly changes the character of the instrument. I don't know about other potential differences as I only asked about those features, so I don't know about,. e.g, potential differences in body construction and pickup design. I do know that the new pickups don't look exactly like the old ones, but that could easily be a cosmetic difference. I also see "gold foil" pickups on some models and I don't recall seeing any gold foils on vintage Supros, but I could be in error on that. So based on this info my conclusion is that these are lookalikes, not authentic reconstructions, at least in the case of the Dual Tone.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 29, 2017 16:28:17 GMT -6
My vintage Supro has a wooden neck.
Also F&^ck the weird switchy electronics...all they did was kill tone. I unwired them a few years ago and the guitar sounds better now. The stock guitar, the neck pickup was completely unusable. Not good.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 29, 2017 17:24:31 GMT -6
My vintage Supro has a wooden neck. Also F&^ck the weird switchy electronics...all they did was kill tone. I unwired them a few years ago and the guitar sounds better now. The stock guitar, the neck pickup was completely unusable. Not good. Well, as to the electronics I'd simply either use a 5 position Strat switch or use my Dremel to grind a detent for the in-between position, as I used to do on the old 3 position Strat switches. That way you could easily get the functionality of a "normal" 3 position plus the "jangle" of the strangle cap. Versatility is a GOOD thing. Of course the problem with strangle caps in general is that they generally require either some means of providing makeup gain or being in the habit of backing off the volume control in the "normal" positions. That being said, I've had a number of people have me short around the strangle cap in Rics in order to obtain an more normal sound from the bridge pickup. It's more difficult to make switchable on a Ric because they use the Gibson style selector switch, so you'd need to either add a mini-toggle or use a pot with a pull switch (if one would fit) in order to have both options. Are you certain it's really a wooden neck? The aluminum necks were fully enclosed in wood, so most people assumed that's what they were. But the fact that they were aluminum inside was why they didn't have a conventional truss rod or adjustment to straighten the neck - it simplify didn't warp. However this might be age and/or model dependent and I haven't been able to locate a detailed timeline for Supro model and detail changes. There were evolutionary changes in some or all of the original Supro electrics. Does yours have the plastic/fiberglass body or the wood body? My information is a combination of what I remember from when I was a kid and what I've read from more recent technical sources. There were a LOT of Supros around central Oklahoma in the days of my first bands. Damn - it just dumped my last edit - Anyway...... The model I'd really like to see revived is the fiberglass bodied acoustic resonator guitar with the form factor of a thin solid body single cutaway electric. For awhile they were available as a prize for mailing in enough cereal box tops....
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Post by Guitar on Dec 29, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -6
My vintage Supro has a wooden neck. Also F&^ck the weird switchy electronics...all they did was kill tone. I unwired them a few years ago and the guitar sounds better now. The stock guitar, the neck pickup was completely unusable. Not good. Well, as to the electronics I'd simply either use a 5 position Strat switch or use my Dremel to grind a detent for the in-between position, as I used to do on the old 3 position Strat switches. That way you could easily get the functionality of a "normal" 3 position plus the "jangle" of the strangle cap. Of course the problem with strangle caps in general is that they generally require either some means of providing makeup gain or being in the habit of backing off the volume control in ther "normal" positions. Are you certain it's really a wooden neck? The aluminum necks were fully enclosed in wood, so most people assumed that's what they were. But the fact that they were aluminum inside was why they didn't have a conventional truss rod or adjustment to straighten the neck - it simplify didn't warp. However this might be age and/or model dependent and I haven't been able to locate a detailed timeline for Supro model and detail changes. There were evolutionary changes in some or all of the original Supro electrics. Does yours have the plastic/fiberglass body or the wood body? My information is a combination of what I remember from when I was a kid and what I've read from more recent technical sources. I would need a good tip on how to find out if my neck has an aluminum core. It is very stable, I'll give that. Anything I can see looks like wood. My original Valco/Supro has a plywood body, apparently. Vistatone pickups. Weird electronics, we've been talking about. The new one I just ordered--not sure. They are supplying me a simplified wood/truss rod neck. And a reso-glass/Mahogany body with simplified electronics. Looking forward to trying them out and comparing them. They do offer models with complex electronics but that's not the one I went for with my buy.
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