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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 12:48:24 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jul 21, 2016 15:31:46 GMT -6
I just listened.. havent gone to the reveal yet... I like them in the same order as you...
Hmmmm... if they are all meant to be the same settings.. they are three pretty different sounds....
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 15:47:33 GMT -6
I must admit, I've only listened on the laptop  (I only do 90% of my critical listening on my macbook  ) but I thought B and C sounded pretty similar. I thought A sounded the most finished and well-eq'd. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 21, 2016 17:01:43 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 20:13:28 GMT -6
Moving a mic an inch can be the difference in all these tones, all of these sound great, I would probably guess B is the UAD? I can't tell I have no idea, I like B the least.
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Post by ragan on Jul 21, 2016 22:58:48 GMT -6
A, C, B for me
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2016 16:59:40 GMT -6
We are all agreed!! A sounds glorious, B sounds like SKUT and then C sounds ok.
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Post by ragan on Jul 22, 2016 17:36:09 GMT -6
I was surprised at the answers. Granted, just because one is the real amp, doesn't mean it's being recorded well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 22, 2016 18:38:41 GMT -6
Yeah - once I knew the answers, I thought B sounded almost exactly like C. Which then made a lot of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 13:49:55 GMT -6
is B a profile of the mic'd setup though or is a different profile of the amp tweaked to match? Still think B was the weakest
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 23, 2016 22:26:18 GMT -6
Listening exactly once through iPad speakers, I actually preferred B. Thought it was the amp. Then C then A, which just didn't sound quite right in the top or bottom. But, iPad speakers, so basically meaningless.
But, proving once again, that I can take up bandwidth like nobodies bidness. I did read the comments that most disliked B before I posted, but after I listened.
Off to see what was actually what.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by donr on Jul 23, 2016 23:41:47 GMT -6
The wack part of the reveal is the Kemper should have sounded exactly like the real amp through the recording chain it was profiled with, as far as the frequency spectrum. The Kemper sounds darker than the amp/recording chain by itself. Now you can make a Kemper profile sound darker than it was profiled, but the whole purpose of the profiler is to make it sound just like what's going into it. If it doesn't, you keep A/B refining the profile until you're satisfied that it does. The UAD Friedman had to have been modeled with a different recording chain. That said, they're all usable. I'm assuming the guitar performance was recorded (before the amplifier) likely through the Kemper, then re-amped to all three options.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 2:31:51 GMT -6
Yes, two should have sounded the same, but didn't.
I like B the least clearly and slightly prefered A to C. But i just listened 1x..
Did not see the results yet. Hmmmm Let's see....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 2:43:01 GMT -6
Yes, i AM surprised and a bit angry about the bias of the so-called test.
Don brought it to the point absolutely. And since one of the candidates objectively is unusable, this test is totally pointless to me. And worse, it might get you to think the UAD could sound more accurate than a good modeled Kemper profile that in this case i can not believe has been put much work into.
I mean the difference is huge, if the Kemper would not be able to get closer to the original if you adjust by ear, it would be a pointless and unusable device, which i guess it isn't.
Biased. Totally.
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Post by donr on Jul 24, 2016 8:39:22 GMT -6
Took Chuck's hearing test, I'm done right about 11k. I heard some kind of aliasing higher than than, but no more HF. Some competition around 4-5.5 k with my tinnitus. I'll call it good. Good recordings still sound glorious to me at this Grandpa stage.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2016 8:52:02 GMT -6
Yes, i AM surprised and a bit angry about the bias of the so-called test. Don brought it to the point absolutely. And since one of the candidates objectively is unusable, this test is totally pointless to me. And worse, it might get you to think the UAD could sound more accurate than a good modeled Kemper profile that in this case i can not believe has been put much work into. I mean the difference is huge, if the Kemper would not be able to get closer to the original if you adjust by ear, it would be a pointless and unusable device, which i guess it isn't. Biased. Totally. Why do you call it biased? We don't know what the UAD was recorded with - just could be a better chain (or more preferable one)...I wasn't crazy about what the real one sounded like and then thought the Kemper sounded very similar. So, IMO, the Kemper did its job. I've been really impressed by these UAD amps. |
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Post by donr on Jul 24, 2016 9:12:32 GMT -6
I bought the UAD Friedman after seeing the Pete Thorn demo. It sounds fine, I'd use it on a recording. No one's gonna say, "..heyy, that sounds like a sim!"
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2016 20:39:22 GMT -6
Really like the silver one a lot
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 21:20:06 GMT -6
Oh, well, don't get me wrong, i preferred the UAD amp sim too, it surely does sound good.
And in this comparison better than the real thing (ehm, okaaayy).
But really the Kemper sounds darker and somehow dull to me and most of us liked it least, most probably because of this and i found this not subtle at all. And it does in comparison to both others. If the recording chains are so far off of each other, that the real thing and the kemper profile sound so different, then it is all comparing apples to oranges without mentioning, and in the outcome of the blind comparisons nearly all of us chose the UAD as most preferable. It sounds good, but this does say nothing about the other two...
By no means i say the UAD is not good. I really liked it, and i have no bias against good sims at all. (In fact i use the amps i still have rarely nowadays and play bass and guitar most of the time with sims...)
Hm, i hope this was clearer or more understandable. No offenses intended....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 24, 2016 21:47:30 GMT -6
I think A was best.
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(I only do 90% of my critical listening on my macbook 
) but I thought B and C sounded pretty similar. I thought A sounded the most finished and well-eq'd. 
