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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 12, 2016 10:17:48 GMT -6
I have an Active Fender Jazz Bass 5. It has two bar pickups and they both are powered by one 9 volt each. I have had some major problems with battery life. I think there is something wrong because I never leave it plugged in to drain the batteries. I just put batteries in it two weeks ago, picked it up to lay down some bass lines and one battery completely dead. The other fine. My backup bass is also powered and I am thinking about going passive. I've never been a huge fan of powered guitars anyway, but sometimes the tone is thick and meaty, growly that I love it, but fighting this battery situation has me going crazy. When I'm in the heat of battle working on a song, I don't want to grab a tool and it fail. This has happened more than once, very frustrating. I have been checking out the Ernie Ball basses with the Humbuckers, serious tone. I have also been looking at the Precision Bass Deluxe with a built in switch to switch from Passive to Active. I have never had a decent bass rig because I am not a bass player, but I need to fix this issue. If I have to breakdown and get a new bass, so be it. Anybody have any suggestions?
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Post by popmann on Aug 12, 2016 10:47:58 GMT -6
There's something wrong. I will have the same batteries in my 9vt Stingray or 18vt Carvin for years at the time. Obviously not leaving them plugged in for long stretches....but....
There's no doubt passive guitars are less trouble because they're simpler. I WILL point out that you could just have a passive switch added to yours....BUT....important bit about passive switches--you need to ALSO have a passive tone control for that mode, else it's really an "emergency only" switch. The new Fender Elite Precision does have that....and the best feeling Fender neck I've ever played. It feels like Stingray.
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 12, 2016 10:52:57 GMT -6
Thanks Popmann, as the batteries wear the consistency of tone starts diminishing also. I have been eyeing that New Precision Fender Deluxe for some time now with Active/Passive switch.
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Post by popmann on Aug 12, 2016 12:33:02 GMT -6
If you like the way your current Jazz plays, the bang for the buck is just to replace the electronics. Aftermarket, whether it's active or passive, it won't be (likely) all intertwined. You could even just get some nice Fralin (or something similar) passive PUs....nice tone cap--you WILL have to replace ALL the pots and maybe even the jack--Fender's things are all mounted onto PCBs under the pots....and then if you decide you want a preamp back, you can add an aftermarket one, which will connect ot the pots via wires, thus not moving the PCB around every time you grab a knob and move it....probably a couple hundred (a little more if you're paying for bench time) and you could have a nice set of passive PUs with new, non proprietary PCB mounted pots.
If routinely changing batteries is going to cause you grief, I wouldn't look for a active bass with a switch for passive mode. Just buy a passive bass (or passive electronics for yours). There's really not a huge difference for recording. I mean, if you love the sound of a Musicman, you need active because it part of that sound....those big pole MM pickups were always designed to have an active EQ/preamp. On the flip side, an active P bass is absurd, IMO--for the same reason--no longer sounds like a P. The Jazz is the only one of the big 3 that swings both ways. I don't really like them passive OR active, so....YMMV.
This is the new bang for the buck guy....apparently....never played one, but it's cheap enough I was tempted even though I don't love Jazz basses....
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 12, 2016 13:15:15 GMT -6
I have yet to find someone who isn't completely satisfied with some Seymour Duncan Basslines. If you're doing jazz, get stacked basslines that cancel out the hum. I use bass lines in everything, because I need good tone in my PJ custom. The ernie balls are active basses, although I never had trouble with them going dead on me until it was just obviously dead. If you're going to replace the electronics (cheapest route), just get a non active set of pups.
Someone should change out the system to use lithium batteries instead of the usual batteries, as they give full 100% juice until the day they die, which is why they are used in phones (and awesome in drills)
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 12, 2016 21:03:37 GMT -6
Thanks, probably just go with a Standard P-Bass and look to replace the Fender stock pickups and wiring in my Jazz 5.
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Post by popmann on Aug 12, 2016 23:37:21 GMT -6
yeah--just know that you need the pots and switches on top of the pickups. It's not a lot of money--just don't want it to be a surprise when you open it up and see that Fender's used surface mounted pots that you can't use with normal pickups....
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 13, 2016 5:53:21 GMT -6
I have an Active Fender Jazz Bass 5. It has two bar pickups and they both are powered by one 9 volt each. I have had some major problems with battery life. I think there is something wrong because I never leave it plugged in to drain the batteries. I just put batteries in it two weeks ago, picked it up to lay down some bass lines and one battery completely dead. The other fine. My backup bass is also powered and I am thinking about going passive. I've never been a huge fan of powered guitars anyway, but sometimes the tone is thick and meaty, growly that I love it, but fighting this battery situation has me going crazy. When I'm in the heat of battle working on a song, I don't want to grab a tool and it fail. This has happened more than once, very frustrating. I have been checking out the Ernie Ball basses with the Humbuckers, serious tone. I have also been looking at the Precision Bass Deluxe with a built in switch to switch from Passive to Active. I have never had a decent bass rig because I am not a bass player, but I need to fix this issue. If I have to breakdown and get a new bass, so be it. Anybody have any suggestions? View AttachmentWhat specific model bass is this? If it's draining your batteries in 2 weeks, maybe bring it to a tech and see if they see something wonky causing it. Maybe your jack is a wonky and it "thinks" something is plugged in? Mid 2000's American Deluxe Jazz I'm guessing?
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 13, 2016 15:41:11 GMT -6
I have an Active Fender Jazz Bass 5. It has two bar pickups and they both are powered by one 9 volt each. I have had some major problems with battery life. I think there is something wrong because I never leave it plugged in to drain the batteries. I just put batteries in it two weeks ago, picked it up to lay down some bass lines and one battery completely dead. The other fine. My backup bass is also powered and I am thinking about going passive. I've never been a huge fan of powered guitars anyway, but sometimes the tone is thick and meaty, growly that I love it, but fighting this battery situation has me going crazy. When I'm in the heat of battle working on a song, I don't want to grab a tool and it fail. This has happened more than once, very frustrating. I have been checking out the Ernie Ball basses with the Humbuckers, serious tone. I have also been looking at the Precision Bass Deluxe with a built in switch to switch from Passive to Active. I have never had a decent bass rig because I am not a bass player, but I need to fix this issue. If I have to breakdown and get a new bass, so be it. Anybody have any suggestions? What specific model bass is this? If it's draining your batteries in 2 weeks, maybe bring it to a tech and see if they see something wonky causing it. Maybe your jack is a wonky and it "thinks" something is plugged in? Mid 2000's American Deluxe Jazz I'm guessing? Yes, it is a 2005-6 Fender Jazz Bass 5 Deluxe. I took it apart and checked it out. I put two brand new batteries in it again, just to see if it is the Bridge pickup draining a lot quicker than the neck pickup. Now that I'm aware of the issue, I am testing it.
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Post by Ward on Aug 16, 2016 10:12:34 GMT -6
An alt solution is the Fender Noiseless J pickups and their active electronic kit. Noiseless and the choice of active or passive tones. Active EQ can get it into Stingray territory!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 16:19:03 GMT -6
Oh, this Sire MarcusMiller bass looks and sounds good and versatile. And i just looked it up and it's totally affordable for around 400 Euros upward to 550 depending on material and color. Hmm, never had a JB since my very first bass and never missed one ... now i want one, aargh. Thanks pop. ;-)
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 23, 2016 10:55:07 GMT -6
I suspect a short someplace, perhaps in the jack that switches the batteries on? You can determine that if you use a DVM on current mode and place the meter between the red or black battery wire and where it goes. If you see leakage current, you have a short. It could also be a leaking psu bypass cap, check that.
I'm all active here since 1972. Back in those days I designed and built active on-board circuits for Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, Byron Miller, Alphonso Johnson, Nate Watts (Wonderlove) and Frank Zappa.
Play any Zappa album past 1976 and you will hear my stuff used in all those recordings. Ike Willis and Ray White also had those active guitars. I also installed similar circuits into Stevie Wonder's clavinets and Rhodes pianos. Hear those on "Hotter Than July" and later.
All of my electric instruments are active, the basses and guitars. Some have simple booster/line amps, some with EQ and active panning. I have circuits with 3 band EQ and 2 band sweep frequency EQ. All of them use Dale resistors and LT or BB opamps. I also have a hum cancelling design I use in my Telecasters with a dummy coil to "tune" the hum out to -80 db via phase cancellation. That allows vintage pickups to be used, sans noise. All of them have a 5 meg input impedance to preserve all the tiny upper harmonics, bandwidth of these is 200k hz to avoid any phase shift. Yes, there is added clarity heard that is never found with a passive design due to the high impedance and stray capacitance of passive designs.
I can and have also rebuilt many Music Man preamps with a low noise fast opamp and good caps, a world of difference. Send a PM or email if interested in any of these designs as I don't activly (except maybe here) promote nor advertize them. I just sent some boosters to Henry Kaiser to be used with some special pickups he uses.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 23, 2016 14:11:56 GMT -6
I am not a fan of most off-the-shelf production active bases, especially the Fenders. The active part is simply a pretty cheesy add-on preamp. For available active options for replacement electronics I'd probably recommend Bartolini. You can pretty much design the kind of system you want and their stuff is top notch. www.bartolini.net/
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 23, 2016 22:49:50 GMT -6
I am still in the process of checking to see if it is still draining one battery quicker than the other. Strange, but I think this is the case of a bad battery right out of the duracell package.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:53:48 GMT -6
+1 for Bartolini PUs. Hi-quality preamps/active electronics by Noll go nicely with them. That's the stuff that is in my bass, and it easily beats lots of active electronics of the big brand names. Easily. Very efficient great sounding EQ/tonestack. When i got it in the 90s, the active Music Man basses were *the* shit/hype, and they sounded like ehm, shit in comparison. I am also not very excited about active electronics of higher priced basses of other big brand names. At their prices they should have top notch electronics - but often don't. noll-electronic.de/bass-electronics/
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 26, 2016 10:27:23 GMT -6
I've used Bill's pickups since his first, the "Hi-A" with six coils/outputs. Back in the mid 1970's me and Rex Bogue (John McLaughlin double neck guitar builder) built a guitar with those feeding pan pots. That wheel has been re-invented several times since, but we did that first.
I managed to get Bill Bartolini to custom wind my bridge jazz bass pickup back in 1979 to have a resonant peak at 15k hz, double his standard bandwidth. I found his off the shelf stuff to be a bit hard in the mids (ceramic magnet sound) and limited in the tops (dark).
He also made preamps starting with the "chip" in the mid 1970's. Most of those failed eventually as they were potted designs incapable of being repaired. When the el or tant caps fail, you threw it out.
I see the Noll designs are also fully potted (Everyone's got something to hide except me and my monkey?) and will also probably eventually fail, they cannot be repaired either. I prefer exposed designs that can be repaired, if needed. That also allows future upgrades when better semiconductors are developed, as they will.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 4:59:18 GMT -6
Yes, this is a downside of these electronics. But it's the only one, and mine works flawlessly since the early 90's. I also would prefer a repairable, upgradeable unpotted electronics, but honestly, i never even bothered to open the electronics cover plate. I never saw any need to make something better, that works this good. If it would fail anytime after decades now, for sure i would just exchange it with the same, so i don't have to think about it the next decades... It is what Stefan Heß uses in the Bogart Basses, and it sounded good from day one and many people were impressed when they heard the bass and it's flexible tonalities. I do not say others don't build good to very good electronics, sure there are quite some very good aftermarket alternatives to the average and often suboptimal bass electronics... And i am totally sure your designs are top notch in sound and usability, Jim. Noll and others want to keep their circuits protected from beeing cloned, unfortunately it is understandable - nowadays even more than in the 90's. I guess in a month someone would throw a clone of the circuits on the market, most probably built in s.e. asia. It is their business, and i have no problem with this kind of protection, as long as their products are of such a high quality and are endurable.
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 27, 2016 22:16:26 GMT -6
Bad Battery right out of the Duracell package. It is testing out fine so far.
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Post by Ward on Aug 29, 2016 6:44:48 GMT -6
Nobody wants to discuss passive-aggressive pickups anymore.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 29, 2016 6:56:18 GMT -6
Nobody wants to discuss passive-aggressive pickups anymore. I just post about them on Facebook without naming names
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 27, 2017 18:50:03 GMT -6
Another +1 for Bartolini's
I have a 5 string ibanez with passive bartolini's and active eq/tone stack. Sounds great and is capable of a wide range of different tones. For a Jazz Bass though I'd stick with passive pup's. A Jazz Bass with good pup's is so great all on its own. If you want a great, aggressive rock tone (ala a stingray) maybe try some Fender Custom Shop Jazz Bass PUP's. A friend of mine has those in his Jazz Bass and they sound amazing. Great, growly sound with the right amount of string noise.
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Post by Ward on Jan 27, 2017 19:28:30 GMT -6
Another +1 for Bartolini's I have a 5 string ibanez with passive bartolini's and active eq/tone stack. Sounds great and is capable of a wide range of different tones. For a Jazz Bass though I'd stick with passive pup's. A Jazz Bass with good pup's is so great all on its own. If you want a great, aggressive rock tone (ala a stingray) maybe try some Fender Custom Shop Jazz Bass PUP's. A friend of mine has those in his Jazz Bass and they sound amazing. Great, growly sound with the right amount of string noise. Good mention on the Bartolini.s. I have a brace of them in an 1990 Ibanez SDGR 6 string and then sound incredible in it.
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Post by svart on Jan 31, 2017 10:44:07 GMT -6
I have a Bartolini soap bar in my Cort Curbow active bass and it's been great for those times I've needed a really clean punchy pickup. Unfortunately most folks rather have the bumpy thump of a fender bass unless it's metal.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 2, 2017 17:58:58 GMT -6
Cool thread. I got my first active bass, an Ibanez SR405QM over a year ago, and I have never even changed the 9V battery yet. It's a monster, comparable but different to the passive standards that I also own. The ceramic pickups are super punchy, and the active preamp is just so much fun. Much different to a P-bass where you've just got "1 sound".
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