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Post by john on Oct 27, 2016 11:04:09 GMT -6
I almost picked up the 40 last year. I think I am going to grab one of these for recording as a contrast to my Vox tube amp. Anyone else use a Jazz Chorus for recording Rhodes?
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 27, 2016 14:10:13 GMT -6
I dont know rhodes players but guitar players who used this amp.
Knopfler used him several times as far as I know Pat Metheney used one too.
I played one two times I liked it but I think its a bit expensive for a transistor amp...
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 29, 2016 12:07:46 GMT -6
The stereo chorus would be a nice feature, but I've never heard a Rhodes player use one. They're quite bright, afak, which may or may not be what you want.
A notable user would be Robert Smith of The Cure.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 30, 2016 4:41:53 GMT -6
I almost picked up the 40 last year. I think I am going to grab one of these for recording as a contrast to my Vox tube amp. Anyone else use a Jazz Chorus for recording Rhodes?
I've seen people use the JC-100 for Rhodes. Chorus sounded nice. As noted, it's a fairly bright amp, but worked OK IIRC (It's been some time.) I kinda question how well the JC-22 would do though as it's the baby of the line, only has 5" speakers, which I'm not sure how they'd do with the low end of the Rhodes' range... |
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Post by jimwilliams on Oct 30, 2016 12:08:54 GMT -6
DI the Rhodes harp into an active high impedance DI. Then feed it into a harmonizer set to .99 and blend. That is the best chorus sound you will ever hear with the Rhodes. Since there is no pitch modulation, you won't get the sea-sickness feeling from the tuning going up and down.
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Post by john on Oct 31, 2016 8:48:09 GMT -6
...which I'm not sure how they'd do with the low end of the Rhodes' range... ah yes, very good point. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Oct 31, 2016 9:46:32 GMT -6
That's why you use a DI, you can shape the low end to taste. Guitar amps have resonances that will accent some notes and bury others. A good comp can smooth that out but do you really want a compressor on the Rhodes?
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 31, 2016 12:14:39 GMT -6
That's why you use a DI, you can shape the low end to taste. Guitar amps have resonances that will accent some notes and bury others. A good comp can smooth that out but do you really want a compressor on the Rhodes? Huh? Whith all due respect, you're not making sense What good is a DI going to do for tone shaping into a combo amp (which already has a quite adequate set of tone controls...) And how is EQ going to overcome the limitations of 5" speakers used with a Rhodes? Since the Roland JC series of amps are closed back and use speakers that are somewhat more "hi-fi" than your average Fender or Marshall, and have a much tighter, more non-resonant cabinet than most, the typical combo amp resonances are minimized, but how is a compressor, which would be applied upstream from the speakers, be very effective on treating the resonances, anyway? And no, I don't think one would want to apply that amount of compression to a Rhodes, anyway. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2016 18:16:00 GMT -6
That's why you use a DI, you can shape the low end to taste. Guitar amps have resonances that will accent some notes and bury others. A good comp can smooth that out but do you really want a compressor on the Rhodes? Huh? Whith all due respect, you're not making sense Jim's like that. His posts seem like 1/2 genius and 1.2 savant. The way I see it, I'm only smart enough to pick up on half of them because the chap is genius. So, it's me who has the shortcomings. For example DI the Rhodes harp into an active high impedance DI. Makes absolutely no sense to me either. But I assume it is *I* who is missing something... Then feed it into a harmonizer set to .99 and blend. That is the best chorus sound you will ever hear with the Rhodes. Since there is no pitch modulation, you won't get the sea-sickness feeling from the tuning going up and down. Now see, this is the best I've ever seen it and made a lightbulb go on in my head. And I realize what I always hated about ALL Jazz-Chorus amps!! MOTION SICKNESS. LOL Got Bless jimwilliams |
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Post by john on Nov 1, 2016 10:08:08 GMT -6
yeah I am not really interested in the fx at all. was mostly thinking of it as a bright and clean contrast to my Vox which is dark and grimey. the chorus effect on rhodes reminds me of the Doogie Howser MD theme. not my cup 'o tea  maybe I should look elsewhere for bright and clean and small and cheap(ish)...? or maybe I should just stick to grimey. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 1, 2016 10:11:45 GMT -6
I've had 40 years of Rhodes recording experience plus my stint as designer of the Mk 7 Rhodes pianos. I've tried and done about everything to them. We used Fender Twin Reverb amps over at Wonderland Studios for "Hotter Than July" and other Stevie Wonder 80's hits. Those were carefully tweaked twins with JBL E-120 speakers. Usually they were done in stereo miced with a pair of AKG 414 E's.
The hard hammer mods were also done back then, the wooden tips used down far into the bass register. Add the harmonizer de-tune trick and you have the essential 1980's DX-7 pop electric piano sound heard on way too many Michael Bolton records.
The de-tune trick I learned from Frank Zappa over at the Record Plant when I was doing guitar work for him. He had the bass detuned with a H-910 harmonizer back in the 1970's. I tried it on the Rhodes and now it's common history. Even "Dyno-My-Piano got in on the act, they used a modified Roland chorus circuit with the associated sea-sickness modulation.
For decades I've used the feed off the RCA jack to access the pickups off the harp sans any electronics. The on-board fender electronics loads down the signal badly, Mk1's are 33k ohms, Mk2's are only 10k ohms. Try that with an electric guitar and it's mush-land.
I feed either a special DI or line amp with a 5 meg input impedance. That offers the full spectrum of sounds. Then you can successfully shave that off with filters, EQ, etc.
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