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Post by Bender on Nov 4, 2016 23:08:05 GMT -6
I'm looking to replace my 1979 silverface twin reverb speakers. I'm thinking either a pair of cermaic weber california's, ceramic chicagos, or one of each....leaning towards the one of each. I don't use tons of pedals and enjoy sweet clean tone.an OCD/two tone boost maybe a fuzz from time to time and I'm all set... and the amps modded to be slightly hairy when the pushpulls activated on the master volume for the first channel. What are some of you favorite combos?
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Post by stratboy on Nov 5, 2016 8:10:33 GMT -6
I've had good luck with Warehouse Guitar Speakers. I like the Veteran 30, although it is a little light for a twin. They have plenty of high power speakers, too. Good guys, good service, good advice. Check them out.
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 5, 2016 9:55:16 GMT -6
I like Eminence V128's or the older M-12's. I also use Governors, excellent sounds, very high SPL's, great power handling capability. My 4x12 cab will take 500 watts, blow-out proof.
I also use Eminence Delta 12B's in my 2x12 Thiel cab. I use that for bass, keyboards or guitar as it's range is 40~6k hz. Those will shake your world for only about $75 each.
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Post by Ward on Nov 6, 2016 5:51:38 GMT -6
I would go with Jim on the Eminence V128 for ONE of the 12s but for the other one, go with a Celestion Creamback. You'll get all the classic Twin tone from the Eminence and that foxy Voxey chime from the Celly.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 6, 2016 11:03:01 GMT -6
My Twin came with the factory optional JBL D-120Fs and I've never had the desire to change them. It is, of course, loud as hell and very clean...
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 6, 2016 13:49:23 GMT -6
I still have my original set of E-120's, yes, very loud. I don't like what the aluminum dust cap does with some amp overdrive, they are best saved for clean sounds.
Several Stevie Wonder Rhodes tracks were cut through a pair of twin reverbs with E-120 speakers back in the 1980's.
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Post by svart on Nov 28, 2016 9:45:14 GMT -6
I've had good luck with Warehouse Guitar Speakers. I like the Veteran 30, although it is a little light for a twin. They have plenty of high power speakers, too. Good guys, good service, good advice. Check them out. How do they compare to V30's in real life? |
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Post by stratboy on Nov 28, 2016 21:13:37 GMT -6
I have a Veteran 30 and a Celestion Vintage 30. To me, the Vintage is a bit more ice picky in the highs and doesn't go through the break up as smoothly. If you like the Celestion, the Veteran will sound a little darker, but it transitions really well from clean to dirty, IMO. Me, I want chime but not sharpness. That's the Veteran. I used to have each one in a 1x12 cab, so I could really hear the differences, especially mic'd. Now, I have them together in a 2x12. It's a nice blend, and I can still isolate the characteristics I want by mic'ing one side or the other. I find I can really surf that sweet spot on the edge of speaker distortion with the Veteran. The best speaker I've ever heard for this type of sound is a Fane that I borrowed from a friend who is really into Hiwatts. Of course, the Fane is $200 and the Veteran 30 is $75, but the Veteran really gets 'that' sound, to me.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 28, 2016 21:59:01 GMT -6
The only one I have: A 2 x 12 with Celestion Alnico Blues. Beautiful clarity.
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 29, 2016 5:09:48 GMT -6
Celestion Alnico Creambacks! My new favorite for my Metropolis 4x12 cab
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 29, 2016 6:45:52 GMT -6
I still have my original set of E-120's, yes, very loud. I don't like what the aluminum dust cap does with some amp overdrive, they are best saved for clean sounds. Several Stevie Wonder Rhodes tracks were cut through a pair of twin reverbs with E-120 speakers back in the 1980's. Jim, I'd be surprised if you didn't know about this already, but if you don't like the (somewhat piercing) 4K ring off the aluminum dome you can take them to a reconer and have the aluminum domes removed and replaced with paper domes from the pro series (22XX). When I was working for Bill Graham's FM Productions sound department this is something that we had done to a lot of our JBLs, after determining that those domes ring at 4K regardless of the input signal. FWIW, in my opinion the E series drivers (ceramic magnet) do not sound as good as the D and K series (AlNiCo magnet.) The D and K are the same frame, but the K handles a bit more power. The D and K are for damn sure significantly lighter! (But still heavy as hell...) My Twin has unmodded speakers (and mostly gets used for recording pedal steel), but I got one (K series) with the paper dome mod for my lead guitarist's Princeton Reverb II ( which most of the time he just uses as a cab for his Blackface Bassman AA165) and it sounds great with either amp - clean and strong with no ice pick. |
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2016 15:03:51 GMT -6
I have a Veteran 30 and a Celestion Vintage 30. To me, the Vintage is a bit more ice picky in the highs and doesn't go through the break up as smoothly. If you like the Celestion, the Veteran will sound a little darker, but it transitions really well from clean to dirty, IMO. Me, I want chime but not sharpness. That's the Veteran. I used to have each one in a 1x12 cab, so I could really hear the differences, especially mic'd. Now, I have them together in a 2x12. It's a nice blend, and I can still isolate the characteristics I want by mic'ing one side or the other. I find I can really surf that sweet spot on the edge of speaker distortion with the Veteran. The best speaker I've ever heard for this type of sound is a Fane that I borrowed from a friend who is really into Hiwatts. Of course, the Fane is $200 and the Veteran 30 is $75, but the Veteran really gets 'that' sound, to me. Interesting! I'm a lover of V30's overall, but I've found that a few I've had seem to have much better tone than others. For the price, I'm thinking about trying the Veteran 30's and I like what you are describing. Slightly dark and smoother breakup is exactly what I'm looking for. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 1, 2016 10:41:31 GMT -6
I have a Veteran 30 and a Celestion Vintage 30. To me, the Vintage is a bit more ice picky in the highs and doesn't go through the break up as smoothly. If you like the Celestion, the Veteran will sound a little darker, but it transitions really well from clean to dirty, IMO. Me, I want chime but not sharpness. That's the Veteran. I used to have each one in a 1x12 cab, so I could really hear the differences, especially mic'd. Now, I have them together in a 2x12. It's a nice blend, and I can still isolate the characteristics I want by mic'ing one side or the other. I find I can really surf that sweet spot on the edge of speaker distortion with the Veteran. The best speaker I've ever heard for this type of sound is a Fane that I borrowed from a friend who is really into Hiwatts. Of course, the Fane is $200 and the Veteran 30 is $75, but the Veteran really gets 'that' sound, to me. Interesting! I'm a lover of V30's overall, but I've found that a few I've had seem to have much better tone than others. For the price, I'm thinking about trying the Veteran 30's and I like what you are describing. Slightly dark and smoother breakup is exactly what I'm looking for. Chappos. Celestion Vintage 30s do not have enough power handling capability for a Fender Twin unless you plan to keep its volume at 3 or 4 maximum. These are 30 watt speakers, a Twin is nominally rated at 100 watts RMS (perfectly clean) and capable of throwing out about 200 watts with EASE. You'll blow the cones in no time flat! |
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Post by stratboy on Dec 3, 2016 22:39:48 GMT -6
Interesting! I'm a lover of V30's overall, but I've found that a few I've had seem to have much better tone than others. For the price, I'm thinking about trying the Veteran 30's and I like what you are describing. Slightly dark and smoother breakup is exactly what I'm looking for. Chappos. Celestion Vintage 30s do not have enough power handling capability for a Fender Twin unless you plan to keep its volume at 3 or 4 maximum. These are 30 watt speakers, a Twin is nominally rated at 100 watts RMS (perfectly clean) and capable of throwing out about 200 watts with EASE. You'll blow the cones in no time flat! Good point! The OP was talking about his Twin. Svart was asking about Vintage 30s. Veteran or Vintage, neither one will sound very good for very long in a Twin! 😄 Warehouse has high power speakers for amps like a Twin, but they aren't voiced quite the same as the Veteran, IMO. Sorry for any confusion. |
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Post by gouge on Dec 4, 2016 3:23:51 GMT -6
cannabis rex would be my choice.
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Post by unit7 on Dec 4, 2016 14:20:57 GMT -6
I've had good luck with Warehouse Guitar Speakers. I like the Veteran 30, although it is a little light for a twin. They have plenty of high power speakers, too. Good guys, good service, good advice. Check them out. I read threads on their own forum for hours yesterday and the guy Vaughn from WGS seems to be very helpful. If you (OP) are curious of WGS just go there and check what he is advicing for the guys asking about what to put in their twins. For the guys with no special preferences I believe he had a personal favorite with a combo of two different speakers, I just don't remember which exactly. wgs4.com/forum/forums/questions-answers |
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Post by Bender on Dec 7, 2016 13:40:13 GMT -6
I've had good luck with Warehouse Guitar Speakers. I like the Veteran 30, although it is a little light for a twin. They have plenty of high power speakers, too. Good guys, good service, good advice. Check them out. I read threads on their own forum for hours yesterday and the guy Vaughn from WGS seems to be very helpful. If you (OP) are curious of WGS just go there and check what he is advicing for the guys asking about what to put in their twins. For the guys with no special preferences I believe he had a personal favorite with a combo of two different speakers, I just don't remember which exactly. wgs4.com/forum/forums/questions-answersThanks for the suggestion hadn't heard of them before so I'll be checking them out too!! |
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Post by Bender on Dec 7, 2016 13:41:20 GMT -6
cannabis rex would be my choice. I demo'd some of those in an emperor cab- nice but didn't really blow me away |
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Post by svart on Dec 7, 2016 13:53:59 GMT -6
Interesting! I'm a lover of V30's overall, but I've found that a few I've had seem to have much better tone than others. For the price, I'm thinking about trying the Veteran 30's and I like what you are describing. Slightly dark and smoother breakup is exactly what I'm looking for. Chappos. Celestion Vintage 30s do not have enough power handling capability for a Fender Twin unless you plan to keep its volume at 3 or 4 maximum. These are 30 watt speakers, a Twin is nominally rated at 100 watts RMS (perfectly clean) and capable of throwing out about 200 watts with EASE. You'll blow the cones in no time flat! Not sure what you mean. I've been using single V30's for years with 100W+ amps. Remember, amps don't push a specific current continuously, the load(speaker) sinks the current you allow it to have via the volume knob based on the program material. Besides, power in the form of loudness is logarithmic. There is only a 3dB difference between 25W and 50W. To get 6dB louder you'd need to go to from 25W to 100W. 10dB would need to go from 25W to 250W. If you don't turn it up too loud, the speaker won't fry and you'd barely get any change in level from the speaker between a safe range, and blown. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 7, 2016 21:30:49 GMT -6
svart good luck to you, then!
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Post by svart on Dec 8, 2016 10:32:35 GMT -6
I've been on a bit of a tone finding mission again, and I've made the realization that I love the tone of the V30 in the orange combo amp much more than the V30's I've bought off the market. They sound much different.
That being said, I've been looking for more options for speaker tones with qualities more like the Orange V30. I think the G12M-65 "Creamback" is close, as is the G12H-30 "Anniversary" speakers are pretty great.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 16, 2016 16:38:23 GMT -6
The Celestion Vintage 30 is a 60 Watt speaker. In a 2x12 this would give you 120 W. Which is why I use one with my Fender.
My favorite 2x12 for my Fender Showman, which is a Twin with no reverb or vibrato, has a Weber 12F150 and a Celestion Vintage 30. It's a nice combo. Or you could pick one or the other.
My favorite 1x12 for the Showman is the Eminence Cannabis Rex which has been mentioned, it's gorgeous.
My experience with the Warehouse Guitar Speakers Reaper 30 is that it's bassier and warmer than the Celestion G12H30 it claims to emulate. Very smooth tone, great with overdrive. I haven't had a G12H30 in a while but I am loving these WGS speakers right now and using them for my main rig at the moment.
If you go for a big 4x12 I really like the classic G12T-75 drivers with just about any amp, including the Showman.
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Post by Bender on May 22, 2017 11:23:08 GMT -6
Just for the sake of completeness.... My twin is a 135W beast so I needed a high power monster speaker.I use pedals for solo's & overdrive and I think aluminum domes would be overkill & harsh so I went with 65w Weber Chicago & after a few months I couldn't be happier...sounds great with my other Utah/Pyle which do rub folks the rub way but whatever, if it sounds good it sounds good....with that said however, out of curiosity I might replace it down the line with a California or another Chicago hehe...
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Post by Ned Ward on May 25, 2017 13:49:11 GMT -6
I'm looking to replace my 1979 silverface twin reverb speakers. I'm thinking either a pair of cermaic weber california's, ceramic chicagos, or one of each....leaning towards the one of each. I don't use tons of pedals and enjoy sweet clean tone.an OCD/two tone boost maybe a fuzz from time to time and I'm all set... and the amps modded to be slightly hairy when the pushpulls activated on the master volume for the first channel. What are some of you favorite combos? I had a set of the Weber California's with aluminum dustcaps in my '65 Fender Bandmaster combo, and didn't like them - I found them harsh, and they didn't play well with overdrive (usually a Barber direct Drive or a Timmy). Sold the Webers, bought 2 Warehouse Speakers G12C/S, and have been happy ever since. I have their G12C's in a closed Bandmaster cab, but prefer the G12C/S in the open combo. Love the Fender cleans, and sounds great with pedals. The 2x12 Bandmaster cab with the Warehouse Speakers G12C's is what I'm using with my Showman amp, and it works well - great clean tone, warm. If budget isn't an issue, Kendrick Black Frames - I have their 10" in my Princeton Reverb and really like it. Hope this helps. |
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