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Post by winetree on Feb 4, 2017 22:10:41 GMT -6
Just found this new way to tune your guitar. All you need is the cost of a cell phone, cell phone monthly service fee, $99.00 and an app. www.roadietuner.comOnce a guitar is set-up properly, and 440 HZ is established (pitch fork, piano, freq generator, give me an "A") I've always tuned guitars by ear with harmonics. I Never use a tuner. I'm saving a lot of money. |
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Post by jayson on Feb 4, 2017 22:42:43 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 5, 2017 12:34:01 GMT -6
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Post by donr on Feb 10, 2017 20:06:41 GMT -6
I have a TC tuner on my pedalboard, but around the house I use one of 4 software tuners on my cell phone. I'm already paying for the cell phone, the tuners are a cheap enhancement.
I don't have perfect pitch so I'll launch the tuner sometimes to see what pitch I'm singing or listening to. Pretty handy to have it with you at all times. Like the cell phone camera.
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Post by bowie on Feb 11, 2017 0:54:01 GMT -6
That's what I'm using. After their customer support for the hardware version was lousy, I said I wouldn't buy anything else from them. But, I had $10 in app credit I wasn't going to spend anywhere else so I got the app. Very impressive. I've had several tuning apps and the Strobo results in a more in-tune sounding instrument (meaning, my ear agrees with it). For whatever reason, a lot of apps are just slightly off on the low E, especially if you detune. I can run them side by side with the Strobo and they give different readings,even if slight. Maybe it has to do with how they perceive overtones, I really don't know. |
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Post by jayson on Feb 12, 2017 8:45:43 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 16:15:02 GMT -6
I take the "free line" signal from my phone for A and tune the rest by ear, with harmonics. Oldschool guerilla.
OK, when recording i use the free GTune VST. Works for all of my needs...
Tried a stroboscope tuner recently, nice to handle. I see, Peterson has great tuning technology. AFAIK they are behind the note recognition algorithm in the Sonuus MIDI converters.
Got one of the first G2M. It was a bit tricky to handle, but it worked good. Quite surprising. Cool stuff.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 18, 2017 16:34:07 GMT -6
Or just use your ears and learn how to tune a guitar... it reminds me on those Gibson tuners.... complete BS.
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Post by Ward on Feb 19, 2017 5:01:30 GMT -6
I take the "free line" signal from my phone for A and tune the rest by ear, with harmonics. Oldschool guerilla. Never quite came out in tune though, did it? Tune on a strobe and then check your harmonics. They seem a little off, don't they? :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 6:14:03 GMT -6
It is a compromise between harmonics and open string tuning and ear. But that is always a compromise between natural harmonics and the widely used well-tempered clavier tuning we are used to hear. Not? Yes it is. If anyone strives for a classic guitar sound of the 60's and 70's, i do not believe anyone tuned string by string differently than that.
You took the A from the hammond or rhoades and that's about it. (AFAIK it is not different in classic music, and i guess they really care about tune as well....)
I had an old analog Aria Pro Tuner, i only used it for the A and tuning silently if there seems no other choice without disturbing the rest of the musicians (on stage/broken string change...). Since it broke, i never had another one. I thought about getting one of those that you can mount directly to the head stock for convenience, but still haven't.
The 440Hz A is a convention, nothing more, and it is kind of convenience, that you can count on it since the world of synthesizers. Or better said: digital synthesizers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 6:18:05 GMT -6
Now that you mentioned it: Is the natural tuning for guitars bringing a tension to classic rock music, that is lost nowadays? Say, what is a blue note really? (And why do you have to simulate it with a triller on the keys...)
PS: I started to make music with other people since i got my first guitar and bass at the age of 15, instantly. Tuning like this was about the first thing i ever learned on an instrument. And i always cared about tuning and no one i played with ever complained in decades...
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Post by Ward on Feb 19, 2017 6:28:37 GMT -6
Ah., sure you made me smile and chuckle... and yeah, I certainly went through that thinking it was the only method to tuning! Pity the fool who relied on a pitch pipe!
I still don't like (and certainly wouldn't trust) digital tuners. They don't sound 'in tune' to me. My ears are more reliable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 6:31:23 GMT -6
I thought you wanted to provoke an answer like i gave, right? :-)
Although i am always unsure about if i get irony and sarcasm right, since english is not my first language. :-D
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Post by Ward on Feb 19, 2017 14:22:57 GMT -6
I thought you wanted to provoke an answer like i gave, right? :-) Although i am always unsure about if i get irony and sarcasm right, since english is not my first language. :-D Just out of curiosity, what is your first language? If you say Pig Latin, or Double Dutch, or regular Latin, I know you've got me again. |
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 19, 2017 15:50:43 GMT -6
I take the "free line" signal from my phone for A and tune the rest by ear, with harmonics. Oldschool guerilla. Never quite came out in tune though, did it? Tune on a strobe and then check your harmonics. They seem a little off, don't they? :-) Strobes, by necessity, default to equal temperament (some digital strobes have options for other tuning standards) Since equal temperament is not harmonically in tune your harmoncs will be off - which is as it should be. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:08:52 GMT -6
I thought you wanted to provoke an answer like i gave, right? :-) Although i am always unsure about if i get irony and sarcasm right, since english is not my first language. :-D Just out of curiosity, what is your first language? If you say Pig Latin, or Double Dutch, or regular Latin, I know you've got me again. It's German. I also understand a few words of Danish, since i live directly at the Danish border. I still have a few words of Latin available, had it a few years. ROMANVS EVNT DOMVS. ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:31:18 GMT -6
No, really - we have no humor. Everybody knows germans have no humor. Zero. That's why i can not get irony most of the time. Kind of beeing the only Asperger of all countries. Thank god i am 1/4 danish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 3:34:45 GMT -6
No, really - we have no humor. Everybody knows germans have no humor. Zero. That's why i can not get irony most of the time. Kind of beeing the only Asperger of all countries. Thank god i am 1/4 danish. Henning Wehn? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 6:08:01 GMT -6
I had to google this guy. He is not funny.
He is a brit pretending to be german. Obviously.
(Some people say that we from Northern Germany have a dry and dark humor. I feel totally misinterpreted by this stereotype.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 6:30:26 GMT -6
Born 10 April 1974 (age 42) Hagen, North Rhine-Westphalia, West Germany Medium Stand-up, television, radio Nationality German Website henningwehn.de Agree he's not that funny though .... Anyway, on stage I always used a tuner, simply because the bloody drummer never shut up  p.s. Iwas told ages ago that if you put the sound from an "F" tuning fork down a telephone it wrecked the receiver the other end (presumably the old type phones). Never had one to try it sadly ..... |
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Post by iamasound on Mar 20, 2017 10:04:47 GMT -6
It seems as if just those withat iPhones benefit from the excellent tuning potential of this strobe app. Android users to a one says it sucks eggs and a complete waste of money. ymmv. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 29, 2017 11:07:23 GMT -6
I have the Peterson Strobostomp on my pedalboard and couldn't live without it. Also have a rack unit model that sits on the meter bridge of the console if I'm tracking anything in the control room. The different tuning tempermants work great, I wouldn't want to work without Peterson Tuners. No matter what, if everybody is tuning by ear and harmonics, or with a cheap needle tuner, somebody is going to be off, and as far as I'm concerned, that is unacceptable for a record. For heavier music, we have a Les Paul with an Evertune bridge installed. If you're pounding away at power chords all day, this thing is a time saver. It seriously never goes out of tune. www.evertune.com/shop/index.php |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2017 21:20:34 GMT -6
and as far as I'm concerned, that is unacceptable for a record. God bless you! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 13:37:11 GMT -6
Hm, if someone is going to be unacceptably off, then the problem may be the ears of that guy?
But OK, nowadays you might find you have to be much more ... i do not want to sound offensive ... obsessed? ... with this topic to be competitive, personally i always think that this is the same direction that autotune leads into. I am always fascinated when i hear old hit records where e.g. the vocals are prominent and undoubtly quite off and too low/flat and instead of destroying the song, it gives a certain character. I doubt anyone would let this go like this into a finished product...today.
Please just take this as a sidenote, i know you guys most of the time have to deliver commercially competitive products in genres that might not give too much freedom in production if you want to sell...
(And obviously i am kind of a dinosaur. Really.)
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 30, 2017 22:44:32 GMT -6
Hm, if someone is going to be unacceptably off, then the problem may be the ears of that guy? But OK, nowadays you might find you have to be much more ... i do not want to sound offensive ... obsessed? ... with this topic to be competitive, personally i always think that this is the same direction that autotune leads into. I am always fascinated when i hear old hit records where e.g. the vocals are prominent and undoubtly quite off and too low/flat and instead of destroying the song, it gives a certain character. I doubt anyone would let this go like this into a finished product...today. Please just take this as a sidenote, i know you guys most of the time have to deliver commercially competitive products in genres that might not give too much freedom in production if you want to sell... (And obviously i am kind of a dinosaur. Really.) I can understand a few notes of a song being off, but if the B string on a guitar is off, or two guitars are each off from one another... It's enough to drive me a bit bonkers haha. As for vocals, Id rather listen to a pitchy performance than a hard tuned right up the middle vocal any day. |
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