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Post by Ward on Aug 16, 2017 7:57:37 GMT -6
GROers, in your humble opinions and estimations what are the best Hendrix type pedals available on the market today? (even readily available used, no longer being made) Fuzz? Fuzzface? Univibe? Octaver? Wah? Echoplex? (pedal Emulator) Any others? Thank you all so very much in advance! (expecting helpful answers from Guitar) and I really am asking for a friend... second guessing my own recommendations!
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Post by 79sg on Aug 16, 2017 8:27:28 GMT -6
Fuzz / Fuzzface: Can never have enough fuzz pedals For Hendrix why not the Dunlop JH-F1 Hendrix Fuzzface? I don't have any experience with it however but since you're asking for "Hendrix" type pedals. Univibe: I use an Effectrode Tube Vibe which is my favorite, if I were to look for a non tube option I'd probably go with the DryBell Vibe Machine Octaver: Roger Mayer Octavia Wah: Dunlop MC404 CAE Wah Echoplex: I'm currently in the market for this as well, narrowed down to Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe or MXR Echoplex + MXR 101 Echoplex preamp Any others? I'd think you'd want to be playing through a Plexi so if needing a Plexi emulator pedal the PedalPalFX 959 Plexi Emulator Hope this helps.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 16, 2017 8:39:59 GMT -6
GROers, in your humble opinions and estimations what are the best Hendrix type pedals available on the market today? (even readily available used, no longer being made) Fuzz? Fuzzface? Univibe? Octaver? Wah? Echoplex? (pedal Emulator) Any others? Thank you all so very much in advance! (expecting helpful answers from Guitar ) and I really am asking for a friend... second guessing my own recommendations! Thanks for the tag, haha, I love pedals, and Hendrix. I have 6 going on 7 fuzz face circuits built up at the moment. The latest one is in a real Dunlop enclosure, might finish it today. I like most of them fairly well. For some reason the Dunlop JH-F1 Jimi Hendrix (silicon transistor) fuzz face stands out as one of my favorites. I also really like the Analogman Sun Face circuit, very refined. You, also, can't go wrong with the '69 or '70 from Fulltone, they've got attitude for days, and extra knobs to mess with. Silicon is a little more real-world friendly. I never have too many PNP germanium pedals on any of my boards, even though they are good fun to play with. Regarding the wah wah pedal, the closest thing I have is a Vox wah. I believe it's a V848. I stuck some custom parts in there but it wasn't really needed, just something I wanted to do. The standard Dunlop Crybaby is not going to have the right sound, more heavy metal. The chromed out Vox wahs are a little more vintage sounding to my ear. Probably most of the big-name "vintage styled" wah wahs will come close these days. The closest I ever got to a Univibe was a Danelectro Chicken Salad. It's good cheap fun, but no more than that. If you want the real deal, the right options seem expensive, and I haven't tried any of them. The nearest thing that I actually use for this general thing is the MXR Phase 100 or the Fender Classic Phaser. Not exactly a Univibe but phasey and whooshy all the same. If you want to go way over the top and get super weird, I love the Electric Mistress flanger from Electro Harmonix, the older versions not the new cheap stuff. Octave Fuzz. I've only played a few. A little birdie told me the Fulltone Octafuzz is the real deal, as well as the Ultimate Octave, which I might build up eventually. The Ampeg Scrambler was a little too wild and zany for this type of playing. The Green Ringer pedal plus another fuzz can kind of go there. Probably best to stick to an all in one pedal though. I have a Z-Vex Octane 3 that does a good octave fuzz, but it's also quite gnarly and maybe not 'pretty' sounding enough, a little bit of that superfuzz/ringmod vibe. That's a fun pedal, though, and the closest I have that I actually use. There's a lot of good echo pedals these days. The one I like and used the most is the TC Electronic Alter Ego X4. The cool part about that pedal is you get a dozen different echo models, tap tempo, and 3 presets on separate switches. Plus a looper, a clean delay, and "Tone Print" slots if you need any of that. I just find it very easy to use and has great tone. I especially like to add a reverb pedal on top of it for big ambience. If you've got big bucks you can look at real tape echoes from Fulltone or T Rex. (Other ones I haven't tried Boss RE-20 Space Echo, Wampler Faux Tape Echo, Strymon Timeline, Skreddy Echo, etc.) I haven't tried it, but I don't see any reason not to just buy the Dunlop Echoplex pedal if you need something small. It seems to tick all the right boxes. A lot of people talk about those Catalinbread echos as well, they are out of my price range. Specifically getting the 'tape echo' sound, plus a vintage style reverb, was a big deal for me. Straight up digital repeats and obviously digital delays are not my idea of a good time for guitar tone, so I never used to use them. Now that I've got the old school ambience going, I use it all the time.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 16, 2017 8:48:53 GMT -6
I agree with 79sg about the amp, more or less. A lot of the Hendrix vibe for me is pushing big air, and having some grit on the amp tone. I would try to stick to 100 watt amps and stuff in that range. 2x12 at a minimum but preferably a 4x12. I think the last time I checked Ward you had some nice Marshall stuff already, haha. I think Hendrix even used big amps in the studio, Twin Reverb was mentioned if I recall, don't remember which album. This is my line of thinking now. Small amps are great. But I don't see any reason not to use a big amp in my small studio if that's the tone I want.
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 16, 2017 10:27:32 GMT -6
These are simple circuits, easy to build yourself. Fuzz Central has all the schematics and tips.
I have a germanium Fuzz Face, germanium Solo 2 and 3 knob, Meyer Octavia, rebuilt wah with fasel inductors, a Fox tone machine and others. Modern Fuzz Face copies are all silicon, a different sound.
Hendrix used a lot of Fender amps in the studio, Twin's were fave's from his old NYC days. Voodoo child was cut with a Fender Bassman. The Electric Ladyland mix had the top end rolled off for a darker sound. Alternative takes show how much brighter that amp really sounded.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 16, 2017 13:07:38 GMT -6
I don't like any of the digital emulations of tape echoes I've tried so far. That's not saying there isn't something great I've missed though.
The problem seems to be that the designers aren't real users of tape echoes, so they don't get the little details that make certain effects possible that aren't in the manual. I also have yet to see any digital tape echo emulator that comes remotely close to overloading correctly and for me that's really key to the sound of any tape echo. If they try to build saturation in they overdo it, else the ignore the issue and the device goes into horrible digital clipping if if even touches the distortion point.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 16, 2017 13:14:47 GMT -6
I don't like any of the digital emulations of tape echoes I've tried so far. That's not saying there isn't something great I've missed though. The problem seems to be that the designers aren't real users of tape echoes, so they don't get the little details that make certain effects possible that aren't in the manual. I also have yet to see any digital tape echo emulator that comes remotely close to overloading correctly and for me that's really key to the sound of any tape echo. If they try to build saturation in they overdo it, else the ignore the issue and the device goes into horrible digital clipping if if even touches the distortion point. Skreddy (Marc Ahlf)'s pedal, the "Skreddy Echo" uses an analog limiting/saturation circuit in the feedback loop of the digital PT2399 delay chip, along with an analog modulation of the wet signal. He was advised by Bjorn Jull of BJF pedals for the design. That guy bjorn is some kinda freaky pedal genius, I tell you. That pedal has not been traced and exposed to the public, but Marc did explain how to get a similar circuit on FreeStompboxes.com thread. I designed my own, using his tips, and I gotta say, it does sound pretty dang good. Unfortunately I gave it away to a friend and haven't built a second, so I'll be using the Alter Ego and my other delays at the moment. My "digital tape echo" reference at the time of that build was the AKAI Headrush. And I gotta say, the Skreddy-esque circuit mopped the floor with it. My former friend, who I no longer am speaking to, said it was his favorite pedal in his collection at the time. I also handed him a Demeter Tremulator and a Ram's Head big muff, so I guess that's saying something for the quality of the echo. Those were fun times, when I was still in a band. The PT2399 is a very cheap and great sounding integrated circuit. Good for DIY designs. I think it only does about 500 ms of delay, but that's better than a lot of expensive analog delays. You can double them up too, for a longer max time. I also use a Belton Brick reverb as my main reverb sound. That's another digital brain component that's easy to integrate in DIY. I'm using the standard GGG/Hermida circuit, but I plan to build another one copying the Earthquaker Devices Ghost Echo, just because I have at least two pedalboards at any one time and the reverb on my main Marshall head pretty much sucks. The Belton 'spring reverb' brick is one of the best reverb pedal designs I have personally used. I love the simple one knob interface.
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Post by john on Aug 16, 2017 16:00:45 GMT -6
You'll want to give the Strymon El Capitan a demo. Best echo pedal I tried out of many. Versatility through the roof.
Thinking I should add a univibe style to the selection. Going to look into the models mentioned. Thanks.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 16, 2017 16:17:22 GMT -6
Fuzz Face (easily built)> Vox Wah (Hendrix Mod) > Octavia (Build a clone, but the Octavix does it fairy well). Dirty amp, something Marshall-y. The modulation FX and delay are less import than having an amp that can gain stage that stuff well.
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 12, 2017 15:32:21 GMT -6
The Foxx tone machine I built has the best octave fuzz I've heard or used. It's much more effective than the Meyer. I had an original Foxx fuzz/wah back in 1972 and missed that effect. The original transistors are still available for DIY. Mouser sells them and also germaniums.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 13, 2017 11:23:36 GMT -6
You'll want to give the Strymon El Capitan a demo. Best echo pedal I tried out of many. Versatility through the roof.
Thinking I should add a univibe style to the selection. Going to look into the models mentioned. Thanks. I was my impression when I saw Hendrix (both with the original Experience and with his last line-ip) that most, if not all, of the echo work was handled from FOH. It's really the only way to get the distorted amp sound into a (relatively) clean echo. If the echo is before the amp it gets muddied up.
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Post by Ned Ward on Nov 21, 2017 13:06:56 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the Xotic EP Boost, and use that in front of an original Ibanez AD9 analog delay as a lead sound. Even with the EP Boost fully counter clockwise, it adds a nice midrange boost.
Univibe - my local guitar shop has used both the MXR Univibe and the Voodoo Lab Micro Vibe - worth trying.
Fuzz - I have a Keeley Fuzzhead on my pedalboard and like it, but I don't know how it compares to fuzz faces, etc. It does play well with other pedals and is switchable between silicon and germanium transistors. I also have a Guyatone TZ2 Fuzz, which is a clone of the Univox Super Fuzz I stupidly sold as a kid. That is an awesome fuzz, but doesn't play well with other pedals and I need to rehouse it as the rubber ring holding the bottom plate on has disintegrated.
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